Ali, upravo je formulacija u Petoknjižju (Tori) nejasna.

Jer Postanak 15,18 govori o prostoru od Rijeke u Egiptu do Eufrata.

A Brojevi i Ponovljeni zakon govore o drugim granicama.

Stipe Jurić, profesor Svetog pisma na Papinskom sveučilištu sv. Tome Akvinskog (Angelicum) u Rimu:
Idealne i stvarne granice Izraela u biblijsko vrijeme

Jasno je da Izrael bez Zapadne obale nikad ne može biti ni minimalno siguran i logična je Sharonova strateška odluka (on je taj koji je praktički začetnik ideje masovne gradnje izraelskih naselja) da se povuče iz Gaze i koncentrira tamo.

Kad to odrade, ne vidim puno smisla u daljnjem agresivnom širenju. Dugoročno, s Libanonom (Hezbollahom i kršćanima), Sirijom i Iranom se strateški sporazum može postići. Naravno, to bi značilo i djelomični otklon (samo djelomični) od američkh interesa u regiji, što dugoročno i ne bi bilo loše.

Šteta je što je Bibi svojom sumanutom politikom stvari odveo u posve krivom smjeru.

Svi izraelski predsjednici vlada od neovisnosti 1948. do danas su Aškenazi:

Ime i prezime = izvorno prezime

David Ben-Gurion = Grün

Moshe Sharett = Šertok

David Ben-Gurion = Grün

Levi Eshkol = Školnik

Yigal Allon = Peikowitz

Golda Meir = Mabovič

Yitzhak Rabin = Rubicov

Menachem Begin = Biegun

Yitzhak Shamir = Jeziernicky

Shimon Peres = Perski

Yitzhak Shamir = Jeziernicky

Yitzhak Rabin = Rubicov

Shimon Peres = Perski

Benjamin Netanyahu = Mileikowsky

Ehud Barak = Brog

Ariel Sharon = Scheinermann

Ehud Olmert = Olmert

Benjamin Netanyahu = Mileikowsky


Zanimljivo, slavenska prezimena su češća od njemačkih.

sto se tice predsjednika drzave,tu je bilo mizrahi židova,npr. moshe katsav(musa qasab) iranski
židov

neznam dal je jedini ili ih je bilo vise

Bilo je negdje na webu...

hoce, ali kad dodje vrijeme za to. neracunajuci istocni Jeruzalem, na Zapadnoj Obali je oko 2.5 milijuna Arapa i vec preko 400 tisuca Zidova. njihov porast je strelovit i nezamisliv, zadnjih par godina broj im raste 50 tisuca godisnje, sto natalitetom, sto daljnjim naseljavanjem. za pet godina na Zapadnoj obali ce ih biti preko 600 tisuca i jos preko 300 tisuca u istocnom Jeruzalemu. Izrael na dugi rok nece biti zainteresiran za palestinsku drzavu izvan Gaze.

2.5 miliona na Zapadnoj Obali + 1.7 miiona u samom Izraelu
Znaci 4.200.000 na cijelom podrucju od mora do Jordana (bez Gaze).
Populacija kao cijela Hrvatska.
Naspram 6.100.000 Jevreja. I 300.000 ostalih.
Sa tendencijom daljeg rasta i jednih i drugih.

Takva drzava je moguca, ali na nekim federalnim osnovama. Zasto bi iko pristao da sa 40% populacije ima status nacionalne manjine?

Minus habens Tuta je iz tih podataka iščitao da njihovom objavom zastupam potrebu za afirmativnom akcijom.

Ja sam postavio isključivo podatke, bez ikakve teze.

cim vecu drzavu, sa sto vecim brojem Zidova u njoj. koliko veliku, o tome mozemo razgovarati.

In 2011, 328,423 Israeli Jews were living on the West Bank, excluding Jerusalem, and the Jewish population in the Golan Heights exceeded 20,000.
For the year 2012, the Jewish population in the West Bank settlements excluding East Jerusalem was expected to rise to 350,000.
In May 2014, the Israeli Housing Minister Uri Ariel, who himself lives in the West Bank settlement of Kfar Adumim, put the settler population at up to 750,000: 400,000 in the West Bank and up to 350,000 in East Jerusalem. He stated: "I think that in five years there will be 550,000 or 600,000 Jews in Judea and Samaria, rather than 400,000 (now)".

Mossad, načelnici GS OS, guverneri Narodne banke, nobelovci...sve isto...općenito elita...

A nigdje nekakve opipljive diskriminacije, svi su Židovi, u neprijateljskom su okruženju, svaki Židov je dobar, za jedan nas je više...

A elita gotovo samo Aškenazi...

sad jos samo reci kako ovo svoje napisano dovodis u vezu s dolje cinjenicno navedenim.




zamisli da se broj Hrvata u BIH povecava godisnje za 20 tisuca (i to uglavnom od doseljenika izvan BIH), da nicu nova naselja Hrvata posvuda i da pricamo pricu kako nismo zainteresirani za taj teritorij, nego mi 'nako, moze nam se.

Seven Israeli Arabs charged with trying to set up ISIS cell in Israel

Shin Bet says members of the cell were in contact over the Internet with Islamic State operatives in Syria, among them Israeli citizens who had traveled to Syria.

Seven Israeli Arabs from the Galilee were arrested late last year on suspicion of attempting to establish cells for the Islamic State (ISIS) in Israel, it was cleared for publication on Sunday. According to Shin Bet officials, one of the suspects tried to purchase weapons for use in a terror attack against security personnel and members of the Druze community in the name of ISIS.

The members of the alleged cell were indicted in Haifa District Court on Sunday. The charges include membership and activity in an illegal organization, supporting a terrorist group and an attempt to make contact with a foreign agent.

The suspects are Nazareth-resident Adnan Ala a-Din, 40; Hassem Marisat, 30, of Deir Hanna;; Mohammed Abu-Salah, 27, of Sakhnin; Karim Abu-Salah, 22, of Sakhnin; Alaa abu Salah, 27, of Be’er Sheva; Fadi Bashir, 29, of Sakhnin; and Khaled Abu-Salah, about 30, of Sakhnin.

Shin Bet officials said that the suspects admitted during questioning that they had formed a group over the past year devoted to Salafist Jihadist ideology, which advocates global jihad, and declared later on that they were loyal to ISIS. According to the Shin Bet officials, some members of the organization attended several meetings with a high-ranking sheikh of the Salafist Jihadist movement who is well known in the north. “The meetings with the sheikh, which focused on religious studies, featured preaching and persuasion to believe in the jihadist path,” the officials said. “The members of the outlawed group held secret, compartmentalized meetings in which they spoke about Salafist Jihadist ideology, Islamic State’s activity in Syria and preparations for traveling to Syria to fight.”

According to the Shin Bet officials, at the meetings the members of the group learned how to prepare Molotov cocktails “and how to slaughter animals as mental preparation for slaughtering ‘infidels’ on Syrian soil,” as the Shin Bet’s statement read. Shin Bet officials also said that the members of the cell were in contact over the Internet with Islamic State operatives in Syria, among them Israeli citizens who had traveled to Syria.

Shin Bet officials said that the major activist in the cell is Adnan Ala a-Din, the attorney from Nazareth.=

“Adnan introduced himself to the members of the group as a high-ranking official commander of Islamic State in Palestine, and was a dominant element among the activists. During their meetings, Adnan advocated engaging in military activity and perpetrating terror attacks against Jews, taught them how to prepare Molotov cocktails and to slaughter sheep as preparation, including mental preparation,” they said.

Karim Abu-Salah, one of the arrested men, was arrested at Ben-Gurion Airport in July 2014 when he attempted to travel to Syria to join jihadist fighters there. Shin Bet officials said that Karim admitted during his interrogation that he had tried to purchase arms for carrying out shooting attacks in Israel against security personnel and members of the Druze community in the name of Islamic State. Several other residents of Sakhnin who were allegedly involved in the arms purchase were also arrested.

Shin Bet officials also said that resident of the southern town Arara Benegev had been arrested for alleged connections with ISIS. The man, Omar Abu Kush, 28, graduated recently from medical school at the Jordan University of Science and Technology (JUST). He was in November and indicted in Be’er Sheva District Court on charges of contact with a foreign agent, supporting a terrorist organization, and writing, preparing, producing and publishing documents and property of an outlawed organization.

“The discovery of the outlawed organization in Israel and the prevention of deadly shooting attacks by one of its members points to a dangerous escalation among Israeli Arabs who advocate an ideology of global jihad and see the path of Islamic State as a way to fulfill their vision of establishing an Islamic caliphate,” the Shin Bet’s statement read.

Izrael napao Hezbollah: Poginuo iranski zapovjednik (sin bivšeg šefa Hezbollaha?)

Five Lebanese Hezbollah fighters, including a senior commander, have reportedly been killed in an Israeli airstrike near the occupied Golan Heights. The organization has promised retaliation, saying that Israel has crossed all lines with this attack.

Mohamad Issa – chief of Hezbollah operations in Syria – was among those killed in the convoy attack, along with Jihad Moughniyah – son of the late Hezbollah leader Imad Moughniyah – according to Al Arabiya. The attack occurred in Quneitra, near the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights.

Neither Israeli authorities nor the IDF have officially commented on the operation. However, a security source confirmed to Reuters on condition of anonymity that it was “an Israeli helicopter that carried out the attack.” The helicopter fired rockets at the convoy, while two Israel reconnaissance planes were also reportedly seen flying over the area.

Another source told Israel's Ynet news that the strike targeted "terrorists who intended to attack Israel" close to the ceasefire line that separates the Syrian part of Golan Heights from the Israeli-occupied sector. No further details were provided.

Predsjednik Zastupničkog doma SAD-a Boehner pozvao jučer Netanjahua da održi govor pred Kongresom. Govor će biti pred izbore u Izraelu 3. ožujka.

Radi se o sljedećem. Obama se protivi novim sankcijama Iranu kako bi nastavio pregovore, Netanjahu podržava nove sankcije, koje ujedno podržavaju i republikanci koji su nedavno preoteli Senat. Obama rekao da se ne će sastati s Netanjahuom kada dođe u ožujku, kao ni državni tajnik Kerry i potpredsjednik Joe Biden. Dakle, najhladniji odnosi SAD-a i Izraela bar u ovom stoljeću...

To je tek početak.Prije ili kasnije,Izrael će ostati usamljen,i bez podrške SAD.

Upitno.

I jedno i drugo.