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Da li Jevreji smatraju Solomonov Izrael ili ovaj današnji. Ili Mojsijev kad su izgnani iz Egipta?
U historiji nije ovakav Izreale bio kao trijeska bio je veći. Da li ga planiraju vraćati?


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Israel to Deport Eritrean and Sudanese Asylum Seekers to Third Countries
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Israel will begin deporting asylum seekers from Eritrea and Sudan to unnamed third countries in Africa even if against their will, the immigration authority announced on Tuesday.

The assumption is that the third countries are Rwanda and Uganda, although Israel has not revealed details.

According to the interior minister, Gilad Erdan, the move will “encourage infiltrators to leave the borders of the state of Israel in an honourable and safe way, and serve as an effective tool for fulfilling our obligations towards Israeli citizens and restoring the fabric of life to the residents of south Tel Aviv”.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/m ... -countries

Tkanje života na izraelski način...

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A to je neka iznimka u svijetu da se deportiraju ilegalni imigranti? Ne razumijem...


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Asylum seekers. U Švedskoj kažeš da si iz bilo koje subsaharske zemlje i azil se odobrava. Somalija, Eritreja i Darfur su tu posebno popularni.

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Asylum seekers. U Švedskoj kažeš da si iz bilo koje subsaharske zemlje i azil se odobrava. Somalija, Eritreja i Darfur su tu posebno popularni.


U Švedskoj te Finci ne raketiraju na dnevnoj bazi. Pobjegli tamo iz onog meteža u novi metež, pametni ljudi. Neka onda idu u Švedsku.


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Asylum seekers. U Švedskoj kažeš da si iz bilo koje subsaharske zemlje i azil se odobrava. Somalija, Eritreja i Darfur su tu posebno popularni.


U Švedskoj te Finci ne raketiraju na dnevnoj bazi. Pobjegli tamo iz onog meteža u novi metež, pametni ljudi. Neka onda idu u Švedsku.

A to je razlog da se ne vode humanističkim principima i da se ne pridržavaju rezolucija UN-a o ljudskim pravim? Zanimljivo je kako se stvari mijenjaju kad Srbeke zamijeniš Palestincima :kava

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A i ti se sa svakakovim tikvešima raspravljaš volvoks...

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U Švedskoj te Finci ne raketiraju na dnevnoj bazi. Pobjegli tamo iz onog meteža u novi metež, pametni ljudi. Neka onda idu u Švedsku.

A to je razlog da se ne vode humanističkim principima i da se ne pridržavaju rezolucija UN-a o ljudskim pravim? Zanimljivo je kako se stvari mijenjaju kad Srbeke zamijeniš Palestincima :kava


Kad hoćeš pričat o tome, trebaš poznavat osnovne stvari. Svatko ima pravo tražiti azil, ali nitko nije dužan pružiti azil. Razumiješ? Osim toga, iura nuda međunarodnog prava imaju na značenju samo ako su sankcionirani unutarnjim pravom, što ovde nije slučaj, kao ni kod većine zemalja po ovom pitanju.


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A i ti se sa svakakovim tikvešima raspravljaš volvoks...


Reci mu da me nije vrijedan, da ima boljih od mene...


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Nitko ne tvrdi da Izrael radi išta krivo, stvar je u dvostrukim kriterijima i o tome kako bi se pisalo o Švedskoj da postupa na isti način kao Izrael.

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Nitko ne tvrdi da Izrael radi išta krivo, stvar je u dvostrukim kriterijima i o tome kako bi se pisalo o Švedskoj da postupa na isti način kao Izrael.


Boga ti, a mediji inače Izrael prikazuju kao dobronamjernu zemlju, zemlju socijalne pravde, progresa itd.? Pa Izrael je na meti doslovno svakog medija, uključujući ovde Hrvatskoj. Poseri me ako nađeš da je igdje mainstream medij pohvalio negdje Izrael ili stao na stranu Izraela u nekom sukobu. U Hrvatskoj pogotovo.


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The Israeli prime minister has stoked a volatile debate about refugees and migrant workers from Africa, warning that "illegal infiltrators flooding the country" were threatening the security and identity of the Jewish state.

"If we don't stop their entry, the problem that currently stands at 60,000 could grow to 600,000, and that threatens our existence as a Jewish and democratic state," Binyamin Netanyahu said at Sunday's cabinet meeting. "This phenomenon is very grave and threatens the social fabric of society, our national security and our national identity." Israel's population is 7.8 million.

Zanimljiva izjava, ovakvu izjavu je u Europi teško čuti iiz usta Marine Le Pen. S obzirom na to kakva je dominantna ideologija u Izraelu nije čudno da ih pljuju u Guardianu. No to je neusporedivo s pljuvanjem koje bi za ovu izjavu doživjeli Orban, Putin, neki član UKIP-a.

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The Israeli prime minister has stoked a volatile debate about refugees and migrant workers from Africa, warning that "illegal infiltrators flooding the country" were threatening the security and identity of the Jewish state.

"If we don't stop their entry, the problem that currently stands at 60,000 could grow to 600,000, and that threatens our existence as a Jewish and democratic state," Binyamin Netanyahu said at Sunday's cabinet meeting. "This phenomenon is very grave and threatens the social fabric of society, our national security and our national identity." Israel's population is 7.8 million.

Zanimljiva izjava, ovakvu izjavu je u Europi teško čuti iiz usta Marine Le Pen. S obzirom na to kakva je dominantna ideologija u Izraelu nije čudno da ih pljuju u Guardianu. No to je neusporedivo s pljuvanjem koje bi za ovu izjavu doživjeli Orban, Putin, neki član UKIP-a.


Nema razlike. Na Zapadu je Bibi babaroga, utjelovljenje zla.


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Zašto ih vi kritizirate. Hrvatska podijeli 20 dozvola za boravak za 10 godina.

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Nitko ne tvrdi da Izrael radi išta krivo, stvar je u dvostrukim kriterijima i o tome kako bi se pisalo o Švedskoj da postupa na isti način kao Izrael.


Pa onda.

Znači:

Izrael je u pravu.
Postoje dvostruki kriteriji.

Prema tome treba napadati ovo drugo, a ne napadati Izrael što radi pravu stvar jer postoje dvostruki kriteriji.

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Nitko ne tvrdi da Izrael radi išta krivo, stvar je u dvostrukim kriterijima i o tome kako bi se pisalo o Švedskoj da postupa na isti način kao Izrael.


Pa onda.

Znači:

Izrael je u pravu.
Postoje dvostruki kriteriji.

Prema tome treba napadati ovo drugo, a ne napadati Izrael što radi pravu stvar jer postoje dvostruki kriteriji.


Kakvi dvostruki kriteriji? Isti su kriteriji, eventualno da se Izrael žešće kritizira.

Zašto kod nas Hrvata postoji taj poriv da se bude veći antisemit od Fuhrera... :D


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Nemam namjeru s tobom raspravljati o ičemu.

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Nemam namjeru s tobom raspravljati o ičemu.


:smijeh :smijeh

Doooobrooooo.... :)


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Are NGOs Agents of Subversion?
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Though “Bibi” Netanyahu won re-election last week, the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations will still look into whether the State Department financed a clandestine effort to defeat him.

Reportedly, State funneled $350,000 to an American NGO called OneVoice, which has an Israeli subsidiary, Victory 15, that collaborated with U.S. operatives to bring Bibi down.

If we are now secretly pumping cash into the free elections of friendly countries, to dump leaders President Obama dislikes, Americans have a right to know why we are using Cold War tactics against democracies.


Hopefully, after looking into OneVoice and V15, the Senate will expand its investigation into a larger question: Is the U.S. using NGOs to subvert regimes around the world? And, if so, who decides which regimes may be subverted?

http://buchanan.org/blog/are-ngos-agent ... sion-15774

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A po čemu misliš da su liberalni židovi za Izrael? Liberalni židovi se protive Izraelu, kao npr. Noam Chomsky. Izrael je negacija liberalizma - on je nacionalna država, gdje prevladavaju uglavnom konzervativne vrijednosti (npr. u Izraelu ne postoji građanski, samo vjerski brak). Zato ti Židovi, ne samo Chomsky, već i Norman Finkelstein (to su ja mislim najglasniji) mrze Izrael iz dna duše i promiču libanonizaciju Izraela, a zna se što to znači - većinsko arapsko stanovništvo, multi-nacionalni (ili multi-kulti s lib. perspektive) utopijski mokri san itd.

Postoji jedan zanimljiv članak o Židovima koji dolazi od Winstona Churchilla. Po njemu postoje 3 vrste Židova.
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First there are the Jews who, dwelling in every country throughout the world, identify themselves with that country, enter into its national life and, while adhering faithfully to their own religion, regard themselves as citizens in the fullest sense of the State which has received them. Such a Jew living in England would say, 'I am an English man practising the Jewish faith.' This is a worthy conception, and useful in the highest degree. We in Great Britain well know that during the great struggle the influence of what may be called the 'National Jews' in many lands was cast preponderatingly on the side of the Allies; and in our own Army Jewish soldiers have played a most distinguished part, some rising to the command of armies, others winning the Victoria Cross for valour.
There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creation of Bolshevism and in the actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution, by these international and for the most part atheistical Jews, it is certainly a very great one; it probably outweighs all others. With the notable exception of Lenin, the majority of the leading figures are Jews. Moreover, the principal inspiration and driving power comes from the Jewish leaders. Thus Tchitcherin, a pure Russian, is eclipsed by his nominal subordinate Litvinoff, and the influence of Russians like Bukharin or Lunacharski cannot be compared with the power of Trotsky, or of Zinovieff, the Dictator of the Red Citadel (Petrograd) or of Krassin or Radek -- all Jews. In the Soviet institutions the predominance of Jews is even more astonishing. And the prominent, if not indeed the principal, part in the system of terrorism applied by the Extraordinary Commissions for Combating Counter-Revolution has been taken by Jews, and in some notable cases by Jewesses. The same evil prominence was obtained by Jews in the brief period of terror during which Bela Kun ruled in Hungary. The same phenomenon has been presented in Germany (especially in Bavaria), so far as this madness has been allowed to prey upon the temporary prostration of the German people. Although in all these countries there are many non-Jews every whit as bad as the worst of the Jewish revolutionaries, the part played by the latter in proportion to their numbers in the population is astonishing.
"Zionism versus Bolshevism", Illustrated Sunday Herald (February 1920)
(A note: Churchill viewed Bolshevism as a heavily Jewish phenomenon. He contrasted the Jewish role in the creation of Bolshevism with a more positive view of the role that Jews had played in England.[1]).
…the schemes of the International Jews. The adherents of this sinister confederacy are mostly men reared up among the unhappy populations of countries where Jews are persecuted on account of their race. Most, if not all of them, have forsaken the faith of their forefathers, and divorced from their minds all spiritual hopes of the next world. This movement among the Jews is not new. From the days of Spartacus-Weishaupt to those of Karl Marx, and down to Trotsky (Russia), Bela Kun (Hungary), Rosa Luxembourg (Germany), and Emma Goldman (United States), this world-wide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilisation and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible equality, has been steadily growing. It played, as a modern writer, Mrs. Webster, has so ably shown, a definitely recognisable part in the tragedy of the French Revolution. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the Nineteenth Century; and now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their heads and have become practically the undisputed masters of that enormous empire. Rt. Hon. Winston Churchill ‘Bolshevism versus Zionism; a struggle for the soul of the Jewish people’ in Illustrated Daily Herald, 8 February 1920.


Prva vrsta su oni koji se indentficiraju sa zemljom gdje žive i ti su dobri (u RH bi to bili Davor Štern ili Binenfeld), zatim ovi koji se prvo indetificiraju sa Židovstvom i Izraelom pa tek onda sa zemljom gdje su rođeni, ti su po Churchillu isto dobri. Treća skupina su međunardoni koji nemaju ideologiju niti se indentificiraju s bilo kojom zemljom i ti su opasni po Churchillu, u njih spada Karl Marx, Bela Khun, Trotsky, Noam Chomsky, George Soros i sl. Ti isti su po mojem mišljenju i često najgorljiviji zagovornici imigracije te mrzitelji Izraela.


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Danas odlican tekst o Izraelu u VL. Boris Havel nas. Naravno.

Paralela s nasim prostorima. Moja, nastavno na taj tekst.

Onog trena kad bi muslimani ovladali s F. Do kraja pokusali bi s cijelom BiH. Kad bi ovladali BiH sljedeći bi bili teroriji u Srbiji, CG i naravno RH. To mnogima u RH nije jasno ali zato Amerima jest te im zato i namecu Komsica i DF.

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jako dobar tekst, svidio mi se dio o dvije palestinske drzave, Jordanu i Hamastanu. :D

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Danas odlican tekst o Izraelu u VL. Boris Havel nas. Naravno.

Paralela s nasim prostorima. Moja, nastavno na taj tekst.

Onog trena kad bi muslimani ovladali s F. Do kraja pokusali bi s cijelom BiH. Kad bi ovladali BiH sljedeći bi bili teroriji u Srbiji, CG i naravno RH. To mnogima u RH nije jasno ali zato Amerima jest te im zato i namecu Komsica i DF.


Gdje je taj tekst, naslov?


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A po čemu misliš da su liberalni židovi za Izrael? Liberalni židovi se protive Izraelu, kao npr. Noam Chomsky. Izrael je negacija liberalizma - on je nacionalna država, gdje prevladavaju uglavnom konzervativne vrijednosti (npr. u Izraelu ne postoji građanski, samo vjerski brak). Zato ti Židovi, ne samo Chomsky, već i Norman Finkelstein (to su ja mislim najglasniji) mrze Izrael iz dna duše i promiču libanonizaciju Izraela, a zna se što to znači - većinsko arapsko stanovništvo, multi-nacionalni (ili multi-kulti s lib. perspektive) utopijski mokri san itd.

Postoji jedan zanimljiv članak o Židovima koji dolazi od Winstona Churchilla. Po njemu postoje 3 vrste Židova.
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First there are the Jews who, dwelling in every country throughout the world, identify themselves with that country, enter into its national life and, while adhering faithfully to their own religion, regard themselves as citizens in the fullest sense of the State which has received them. Such a Jew living in England would say, 'I am an English man practising the Jewish faith.' This is a worthy conception, and useful in the highest degree. We in Great Britain well know that during the great struggle the influence of what may be called the 'National Jews' in many lands was cast preponderatingly on the side of the Allies; and in our own Army Jewish soldiers have played a most distinguished part, some rising to the command of armies, others winning the Victoria Cross for valour.
There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creation of Bolshevism and in the actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution, by these international and for the most part atheistical Jews, it is certainly a very great one; it probably outweighs all others. With the notable exception of Lenin, the majority of the leading figures are Jews. Moreover, the principal inspiration and driving power comes from the Jewish leaders. Thus Tchitcherin, a pure Russian, is eclipsed by his nominal subordinate Litvinoff, and the influence of Russians like Bukharin or Lunacharski cannot be compared with the power of Trotsky, or of Zinovieff, the Dictator of the Red Citadel (Petrograd) or of Krassin or Radek -- all Jews. In the Soviet institutions the predominance of Jews is even more astonishing. And the prominent, if not indeed the principal, part in the system of terrorism applied by the Extraordinary Commissions for Combating Counter-Revolution has been taken by Jews, and in some notable cases by Jewesses. The same evil prominence was obtained by Jews in the brief period of terror during which Bela Kun ruled in Hungary. The same phenomenon has been presented in Germany (especially in Bavaria), so far as this madness has been allowed to prey upon the temporary prostration of the German people. Although in all these countries there are many non-Jews every whit as bad as the worst of the Jewish revolutionaries, the part played by the latter in proportion to their numbers in the population is astonishing.
"Zionism versus Bolshevism", Illustrated Sunday Herald (February 1920)
(A note: Churchill viewed Bolshevism as a heavily Jewish phenomenon. He contrasted the Jewish role in the creation of Bolshevism with a more positive view of the role that Jews had played in England.[1]).
…the schemes of the International Jews. The adherents of this sinister confederacy are mostly men reared up among the unhappy populations of countries where Jews are persecuted on account of their race. Most, if not all of them, have forsaken the faith of their forefathers, and divorced from their minds all spiritual hopes of the next world. This movement among the Jews is not new. From the days of Spartacus-Weishaupt to those of Karl Marx, and down to Trotsky (Russia), Bela Kun (Hungary), Rosa Luxembourg (Germany), and Emma Goldman (United States), this world-wide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilisation and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible equality, has been steadily growing. It played, as a modern writer, Mrs. Webster, has so ably shown, a definitely recognisable part in the tragedy of the French Revolution. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the Nineteenth Century; and now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their heads and have become practically the undisputed masters of that enormous empire. Rt. Hon. Winston Churchill ‘Bolshevism versus Zionism; a struggle for the soul of the Jewish people’ in Illustrated Daily Herald, 8 February 1920.


Prva vrsta su oni koji se indentficiraju sa zemljom gdje žive i ti su dobri (u RH bi to bili Davor Štern ili Binenfeld), zatim ovi koji se prvo indetificiraju sa Židovstvom i Izraelom pa tek onda sa zemljom gdje su rođeni, ti su po Churchillu isto dobri. Treća skupina su međunardoni koji nemaju ideologiju niti se indentificiraju s bilo kojom zemljom i ti su opasni po Churchillu, u njih spada Karl Marx, Bela Khun, Trotsky, Noam Chomsky, George Soros i sl. Ti isti su po mojem mišljenju i često najgorljiviji zagovornici imigracije te mrzitelji Izraela.


Upravo to. A i iz toga razloga dobro je što su Židovi napokon dobili nacionalnu državu. Rastu tih židovskih internacionalista upravo je pogodovalo to što su bili proganjani i što nisu imali domovinu, onda su otišli u takvu vrstu ideologije da sve obesmisle.


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Is David Cameron the most pro-Israel British PM ever?
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The United Kingdom may no longer be a major player on the world stage, but its prime minister has still been able to work quietly in support of the Jewish State.

The very real prospect of David Cameron’s Conservative Party losing Britain’s general election on May 7 is causing a shudder of dread to pass through Israeli diplomats and lobbyists in London. Officially, of course, they are not involved in the United Kingdom’s internal politics. But the consensus is that “we have never had such a pro-Israel prime minister.”

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-d ... m-1.653847

Razlika između izraelskih i zapadnih Židova.

Izraelski su zgroženi mogućnosšću da David Cameron izgubi izbore.

A u tom slučaju novi premijer će biti Ed Miliband.

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Ako faca nije baš engleska to je zato jer je laburistička nada sin židovskih imigranata.

Citat:
Miliband is the younger son of immigrant parents. His mother, Marion Kozak, a human rights campaigner and early CND member, is a Polish Jew who survived the Holocaust thanks to being protected by Poles. His father, Ralph Miliband, was a Belgian-born Polish Jewish Marxist academic who fled with his father to England during World War II.


Ne groze se bez veze izraelski Židovi da potomak poljskih Židova zasjedne na čelo Engleske...

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