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 Naslov: New Non-Paper calls for union of Croatia and BiH?!?
PostPostano: 12 ruj 2022, 17:22 
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Source: https://croativ.net/nova-bomba-non-pape ... ska-38681/

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A NEW 'BOMBSHELL' "Non paper" apparently coordinated with external power centers: THE UNITARY STATES OF BOSNIA AND CROATIA!

And while the authorities of the Republika Srpska wish to open some new maps regarding the organization of Bosnia and Herzegovina, a new proposal for delineating the borders in the Balkans was released to the public today, which is fatal for the Republika Srpska! Bosnia and Herzegovina - what they called Playing with fire: New 'non paper...' - brought by the RTvBN portal from RS.

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These days we are inundated with "non-paper" unofficial documents about the redistribution of the Western Balkans, with an emphasis on Bosnia and Herzegovina. The game of "non papers" can turn into a dangerous job "playing with fire" and be the cause of some new staged armed conflict.

And while the authorities of Republika Srpska wish to open new maps regarding the organization of Bosnia and Herzegovina, a new proposal for drawing borders in the Balkans, which is disastrous for Republika Srpska, was released to the public today.

According to that terrible and worst scenario, Republika Srpska would not exist.

The proposal called "Non paper for the new BiH, Alliance of Sovereign and Independent States of Bosnia and Croatia", which, according to them, was delivered to the addresses of all significant institutions, political parties, personalities and media of Bosnia and Herzegovina, the Republic of Croatia, the European Union and the United States American States.

This "non-paper", as they state, is a guideline for Bosnia and Herzegovina to unite into one state entity, that is, into one "Union of Sovereign Independent States of Bosnia and Croatia".

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"Bosnia and Croatia are economically, culturally, and historically closely linked. With that, if necessary, it can be stated and proved on tens and hundreds of written pages as an attachment", it is stated in that document and adds that in order to make everything transparent and democratic from the idea to the realization of the creation of the Federation of BiH, the following is proposed:

- Referendum of citizens in Croatia with text:

"Are you in favor of creating an Alliance of Sovereign and Indivisible States of Bosnia and Croatia"

- Referendum of citizens in Bosnia and Herzegovina with text:

1. Are you in favor of abolishing the DMS (Dayton Peace Agreement), declaring it null and void and restoring the Constitution of the Republic of BiH.

2. Are you in favor of creating an Alliance of Sovereign and Indivisible States of Bosnia and Croatia?

The union of the sovereign states of Bosnia and Croatia would be based on anti-fascist commitment, they would have their state bodies the Federal Assembly, the President and Deputy President of the Federal State of BiH, the Federal Government, the Federal Army, the Federal Police, and everything else would be defined and decided through the Federal Constitution of BiH .

The role and significance of the Alliance for BOSNIA

What issues are resolved when it comes to BOSNIA (BiH)

- BOSNIA would automatically join the EU and NATO

- Under automation, "and Herzegovina" is deleted from the thousand-year-old name of the state BOSNIA

- This would completely abolish the clause from the rule and domination of "constituent nations".

- Entities, cantons and three religious nations would disappear, and there would be one Bosnian nation according to the thousand-year-old name of the state of Bosnia.

- Which means Bosnians are all citizens of Bosnia, regardless of anyone's confessional or other commitment.

- Bosnia would become a civil secular state of equal citizens and citizens of Bosnia.

- Absolute religious freedom and any other freedom in the promotion of cultural and historical values ​​through the guaranteed presence and cultural promotion and activities of national minorities.

- In Bosnia, the state-forming language "Bosnian" would be legal and fundamental, with the presence of language and freedom for national minorities in Bosnia.

According to the research team's assessment, between 60 and 70% of citizens would come out and vote in the Referendum in Bosnia and Croatia, and between 85 and 90% of citizens would vote "for".

With that, you have an obligation to the citizens, start this initiative of ours in order to establish lasting peace and a functional civil state community and to stop once and for all the destruction of the state of BOSNIA according to ethnic religious principles and their collaborationist and secessionist forces that operate in their destructive campaign against BOSNIA outside.

Bosnia cannot survive in this kind of constellational relations, regime and constitutional government.

Try to change the situation in this country together with the citizens", the paper states, adding that it is time for drastic changes.

This proposal is signed by Senad Bajrić from Bihać on behalf of 10 municipal organizations, which make up the Alliance of Resistance Organizers for Bosnian Krajina.

So far, there is no reaction to this proposal from BiH, but neither from Republika Srpska, which was effectively deleted and annulled by this proposal!?


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 Naslov: Re: New Non-Paper calls for union of Croatia and BiH?!?
PostPostano: 13 ruj 2022, 16:41 
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I'm surprised no one responded. However, I am not sure that an alliance would automatically get you into NATO and the EU. Plus the other issue is how you would get rid of the RS.

I could see a union of states into one getting you there, say theoretically like a unification of Moldova with Romania or Northern Ireland with the Republic of Ireland. To me Bosnia would have to unite with Croatia as one entity to pull off NATO and EU membership.

If you get rid of cantons in Bosnia (apparently dropping Herzegovina from the name) how you plan to administer the country? Municipalities?

Why would Croatia sign a decree that strips Croatian people in the newly united state of Bosnia of their identity?


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 Naslov: Re: New Non-Paper calls for union of Croatia and BiH?!?
PostPostano: 13 ruj 2022, 16:43 
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I think it's rubbish.

That's why nobody reponded fo the post.

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 Naslov: Re: New Non-Paper calls for union of Croatia and BiH?!?
PostPostano: 14 ruj 2022, 09:42 
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No one replied because they couldn't believe that you weren't taking the piss.

Firstly, the news is about a year old and was just a social media post by a random Muslim guy from Bihac, during the time which the Slovenian non-paper about BiH was a hot topic.

I don't know why a random social media post from a random guy from Bihac, 12 months on, requires any kind of analysis. I thought you were following BiH events a lot more closely, this is rookie stuff. I do hope that it wasn't just the map that caught your attention and blinded you to everything else. That's why I still have a healthy dose of scepticism towards the diaspora wrt BiH, even if they generally mean well.

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 Naslov: Re: New Non-Paper calls for union of Croatia and BiH?!?
PostPostano: 14 ruj 2022, 19:43 
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I don't follow random people from Bihać on social media which is why I am just now seeing this. I'm trying limit social media and not live on it...

Speaking of a random social media post from a random guy from Bihać, it looks like his non-paper generated a lot of discussion here on the Croatian forum. Honestly, I can't remember ever seeing this discussion... politika/muslimani-predlazu-novi-dodrinaski-nonpaper-t19591.html

As far analysis of non-papers, fringe or otherwise, me personally if it involves Croatians in BiH then I think it is worth discussing. If we all think the non-paper is garbage so be it. That's the beauty of this forum, it is a living non-paper of Croatian opinion and perspective on the current situation in BiH.


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 Naslov: Re: New Non-Paper calls for union of Croatia and BiH?!?
PostPostano: 15 ruj 2022, 02:38 
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The map is cool. I'd be happy to have Bosnia in those boundaries :herceg_bosna


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 Naslov: Re: New Non-Paper calls for union of Croatia and BiH?!?
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The map is cool. I'd be happy to have Bosnia in those boundaries :herceg_bosna


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 Naslov: Re: New Non-Paper calls for union of Croatia and BiH?!?
PostPostano: 15 ruj 2022, 11:27 
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I don't follow random people from Bihać on social media which is why I am just now seeing this. I'm trying limit social media and not live on it...

Speaking of a random social media post from a random guy from Bihać, it looks like his non-paper generated a lot of discussion here on the Croatian forum. Honestly, I can't remember ever seeing this discussion... politika/muslimani-predlazu-novi-dodrinaski-nonpaper-t19591.html

As far analysis of non-papers, fringe or otherwise, me personally if it involves Croatians in BiH then I think it is worth discussing. If we all think the non-paper is garbage so be it. That's the beauty of this forum, it is a living non-paper of Croatian opinion and perspective on the current situation in BiH.


We don't follow a random guy from Bihac either. But the Sarajevo media launched his post into a "thing" purely to make mockery of the supposed "non-paper" which was supposedly circulating around the EU, floated by Slovenia.

You keep calling his FB post a "non-paper", so you're playing right into it. A "non-paper" is an unofficial policy document or a position taken by an actual government.

Why is a random person's social media post "worth discussing" and why would you call it a "non-paper"? Seems to me that some pathetic guy from Bihac just has to stick a map reminiscent of the NDH to headline any garbage proposal and he's bought the Cro diaspora's attention? I hope I'm wrong, but that is quite disappointing.

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 Naslov: Re: New Non-Paper calls for union of Croatia and BiH?!?
PostPostano: 18 ruj 2022, 01:52 
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Such a thing should never be supported, such would cause Croats universally to be a course in which would cause their ethnic identity to slowly fall apart.


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