Tamo gdje je palac osobe na slici se naziru riječi "bitno je Bošnjak biti".

OSMANAGIĆ “UJEDINIO” HRVATE, SRBE I BOSANCE U TORONTU

VISOKOLOGIJA – PRIJEDLOG IZ SLOVENIJE

Zdravo,

Evo danas usred noći spustilo se mi ime za novu, bosansku egiptologiju, a to je Visokologija, Visokology. Nauka o istragi Bosanskih piramida.

Eto to je moj dar od mene vašim istragama i volunterstvu. Ja sam oduševljena nad svakom istinom što nas dovede bliže znanju o našoj historiji. Nadam se da ćete ovo moje ime proslijediti i Semiru in sigurno će mu se svidjeti.

Sa puno pozdrava iz Ljubljane !

Ksenija

IMENOVANA POMOĆNICA DIREKTORA FONDACIJE

U januarskom izdanju jutarnjeg programa kantonalne Televizije Sarajevo, predstavljene su novosti iz Fondacije “Arheološki parl: Bosanska piramida Sunca”. Urednica Amela Hubjer intervjuirala je voditelja projekta istraživanja bosanskih piramida dr. Semira Osmanagicha i novoizabranu pomoćnicu direktora Fondacije Sabinu Osmanagich.

VISOKOLOGIJA – PRIJEDLOG IZ SLOVENIJE

Zdravo,

Evo danas usred noći spustilo se mi ime za novu, bosansku egiptologiju, a to je Visokologija, Visokology. Nauka o istragi Bosanskih piramida.

Eto to je moj dar od mene vašim istragama i volunterstvu. Ja sam oduševljena nad svakom istinom što nas dovede bliže znanju o našoj historiji. Nadam se da ćete ovo moje ime proslijediti i Semiru in sigurno će mu se svidjeti.

Sa puno pozdrava iz Ljubljane !

Ksenija

Piramidijoti izmislili neku novu naciju "Bosanaca". Nepismena naroda majko mila.

Pa i Nije Bas. Na popisu je "bosanac" bila ravnopravna opcija bosnjacima, hrvatima itd.


Ali ovo ima vise veze s diferencijacijom ljudi s porijeklom iz bih u dijaspori Koja uglavnom i funktionise pö Tom Príncipu.

Andrew Lawler: The “pyramids” in B&H are totally natural

Andrew Lawler was born in 1985 in Manchester, UK. He studied archaeology and anthropology, and worked in commercial archaeology upon graduating. After a year at Thames Valley Archaeological Services, Andrew moved to B&H, where he worked in Visoko for just over a year. In 2009, he moved to Belgium to complete his master’s degree in archaeology. As part of his master’s, he interned at the Commission to Preserve National Monuments in Sarajevo in 2011. Since November 2012, Andrew has been working on a project called Discovering the Archaeologists of Europe, a labor market survey, which is managed by Cultural Heritage without Borders in B&H.

Piše: Interview by Emel Gušić Handžić. Objavljeno : 18-05-2014 21:01h

After their close friend passed away, Andrew Lawler and his friends made a pact to pursue the activities that they had spoken to their late friend about – for Andrew, this meant coming to B&H to Visoko in 2007 to work as an archaeologist. Since then, he has been in and out of B&H as part of his studies and for various projects. He spoke to Novo vrijeme about the cultural and heritage “situation” in B&H, the theory of pyramids in Visoko and the specifics of living here.

How did you become an archaeologist?

I always liked history at school, but when I went to high school I had a really bad history teacher who totally put me off the subject. So, one of the subjects that I chose for my GCSEs (final grade) was geography instead of history. Then, as time went on, I realized that I could study archaeology at university without studying history. In my opinion, people who don’t study history actually make better archaeologists, because they’re more objective about what they find.

So, I studied archaeology, geology and chemistry and then went into archaeology. I studied at Cambridge, and it was unusual because I came from a scientific background, whereas most people came with the background of studying history, maybe law, or English. Those kinds of arts subjects.

What did you do after you graduated?

After my studies, I worked as a field archaeologist at Thames Valley Archaeological Services in Reading. It’s a commercial archaeology company. I was working about 74 hours per week on average, which was quite a shock straight after university.

Commercial archaeology is something performed by private companies that work in the construction sector (Croatia has started to implement this system, but B&H is quite a long way behind). Basically, archaeology is thought of as part of the construction industry and not part of academia, so money for archaeology comes from building new buildings. As far as I know, there have only been a few examples here where a company has payed for the archaeology to be carried out before building. Since 1991, it’s been a legal requirement in Britain.

How did B&H enter the picture?

I applied for a job in Visoko in B&H in 2007. It was something I read about while I was at university and when one of my close friends died, a few of us couldn’t make it to the funeral, so we met up instead and we made a kind of small pact that we would apply for jobs that we had talked about with our friend who died. So I applied and got the job.

What made you want to come to B&H specifically?

I didn’t have these aspirations that a lot of young archaeologists have of working in Egypt or in the Middle East or South America, I always preferred European archaeology. I’m not a person who really likes grand monuments; I’m far more interested in finding an old shoe than I am a load of gold. With European archaeology, you can really see how people lived in society compared to now, whereas for example aboriginal cultures are different and you can’t impose your own values on them.

As an archaeologist, what is your opinion on whether the formations in Visoko are pyramids?

There are no pyramids. Geologically, it can all be explained quite easily; it doesn’t require an archaeologist to explain it. The Bosnian Pyramid Foundation published in their 2012 report on page 40 that a miner’s lamp was found deep within the tunnels. In a museum in Bulgaria, they have quite a collection of miners’ lamps; from the Roman period to the present day. At the earliest, the one the Foundation found could date back to the late 17th century, and at the latest to the 1930s. However, taking into account cultural change here, it probably dates to the second half of the 19th century, in my opinion.

The “pyramids” are totally natural, obviously there’s Visoki on top of Visočica and on the Moon Pyramid, as they call it, there seems to be evidence of an Iron Age farmstead, but it’s not archaeologically important. It would appear that people lived there around 2000 years ago, but trenches from the previous war have cut up the site so badly that it is basically not worth excavating.


A lot of people in B&H no longer seem to care whether or not there are pyramids in Visoko, as long as it promotes tourism in the region.

The problem is that the money doesn’t go to Visoko. People who come as volunteers or tourists are filtered and the money is not spread out through the town. If you go into a café in Visoko and ask “How many guests have you had that have come to see the pyramids?”, they’ll say “We had two or three, two years ago” and that’s it. People in Sarajevo think that it’s putting money into Visoko, but it isn’t. The other sad thing about it is that B&H does have a heritage and people want to come for archaeological sites, but people who come to see the “pyramids” normally go away disappointed. The people who come for heritage tourism have enough knowledge to know that they’re not pyramids and then those people don’t come back again, and they’re the ones who would’ve traveled around the country and put money into society.

You did a master’s degree in archaeology focusing on B&H?

Yes, I went to Belgium to do my master’s in 2009. I did my M.A. in the Bologna system and wrote my thesis on the situation of archaeology in B&H, similar to the work that I do now. Then I did a “magistar”, which is a 2-3 year master’s degree. Within that, I did an internship here at the Commission to Preserve National Monuments and I wrote my thesis on the monuments of Bogdan Bogdanović (Yugoslav architect) and my main case study was the Partisans’ Memorial Cemetery in Mostar. I graduated last September.

What do you think of the overall cultural and heritage “situation” in B&H?

With heritage itself, obviously there’s a massive push towardsI didn’t have these aspirations that a lot of young archaeologists have of working in Egypt or in the Middle East or South America, I always preferred European archaeology. I’m not a person who really likes grand monuments; I’m far more interested in finding an old shoe than I am a load of gold the reconstruction of monuments from the war and funding goes to them. As an archaeologist, I’m not too happy with that. I don’t know if it’s “jealousy” or that I think the funding should truly be distributed better, but international funders are far more interested in things that are about post-war reconciliation and reconstruction than things that are actually important to B&H as a whole. I see that as bad. There are good projects and efforts being made with regard to heritage with making the best of the resources available. However, things like the National Museum closing – say what you want about the political situation, but there should have been alternatives found to keep it open. This goes back to what I said about heritage tourism, how do you expect tourists to return to the country when the National Museum’s closed and people don’t know when it’ll reopen?

Another one of my gripes with the country, as an archaeologist, is for example about the topic of stećci. People only talk about stećci in relation to a national question of whom they belong to nowadays, and they don’t talk about the questions that archaeologists and the rest of the world would be asking, such as what level of society the people who made the stećci were, what kind of role they had, whether they were religious or secular, whether they were high-up people because they made people’s graves or low-down people because they were essentially laborers. Those are the kind of questions that should be asked, not whom they belong to in the present day.

You did a study on “Sarajevo Roses” (red markings on streets that serve as memories from the previous war)?

Yes. With them, as a memorial, I find it wrong that they’ve been preserved as they are in the streetscape where streets have been renewed around them. I also find it wrong that some of them have been removed on purpose – like the one outside the Presidency and the one near the Children’s Monument. In my opinion, they should be parts of the cityscape that goes over time. Nobody knows how many there are exactly. Officially there are 100, and they were supposed to represent a place where three or more people had died, but there is no proof of this.

What are you currently working on?

For the past 18 months, I’ve been working on a project called Discovering the Archaeologists of Europe, covering 20 countries in Europe. B&H and Norway are the only two countries taking part that are not in the EU. It’s a census of employed archaeologists within the country. It’s a shame that not all the archaeologists that graduated and haven’t found work can be included, because I think that would really show the amount of archaeologists in the country. It’s looking at numbers, at people, how often they work and what they earn etc. Cultural Heritage without Borders manages the project in B&H.

You’ve been in B&H on and off since 2007. Has the situation changed much in the last seven years?

When I first moved here, I didn’t see as much poverty as I’d seen in Hungary or even Croatia. Now, you do see that poverty has crept into the country quite heavily and it’s a real shame that the country had a better standard of living seven years ago. Because I’ve been in and out of the country, every time I came back I could see that it had taken a step backwards unfortunately.

Tragic consequences of an April Fool - bis repetita placent
Saturday 1 February 2014
by Irna
Translations of this article: [français]

After his first expedition to the Bosnian “pyramids” in the summer of 2013 (the subject of an article shortly to be published in this section of the site), Mr. Dominique Jongbloed is now planning a second expedition to take place in April 2014. Meanwhile, the association he chairs, NordSud Institute [North-South Institute], offers help with transport arrangements and room reservations to future volunteers wishing to participate in activities at the site. The association also organizes voyages of discovery to the "valley of the pyramids” at Visoko, for the modest sum of 1,148.16 euros per week.

On his Facebook page, the “Explorer” offers a teaser for the “voyages of discovery”, a series of photos of “monuments” accessible to tourists. Amongst these photos, I found this one:

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accompanied by the following text:

The Pyramid of the Dragon (detail) – the fifth "monument”. This would have been the location of discoveries of traces left by fishing communities during an era when the valley would have been partly submerged. © 2014 All rights reserved for all countries. – At Visoko, Bosnia-Herzegovina.

Mr. Jongbloed does not give the source of the image, but I am in a position to provide him with the relevant information. The image he uses is this one:

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which comes from the French Wikipedia, where it appears on the "Rock Carvings at Alta" page of the French Wiki. Alta, in Northern Norway, is listed by UNESCO as a World Heritage site, and has more than 5,000 rock carvings dating from the 5th to the 1st millennium BC, depicting scenes of hunting and fishing. So what Mr. Jongbloed presents as a rock carving from the “pyramid of the Dragon” at Visoko is actually a fishing scene from Alta, complete with boats and fish.

But however did a Norwegian rock carving scene come to be illustrating a “pyramid” in Bosnia? It’s a long story, that begins on 1st April 2007, a day on which I thought I would indulge myself by concocting a spoof entitled "The pyramid fishermen", in which I described the discovery by the Osmanagic Foundation on the hill of Buci (known to the pyramid supporters as the “Pyramid of the Dragon”) of a series of carvings and artifacts in the forms of fish [Trans.: in France, an April Fool is known as a “poisson d’avril”, an “April Fish”]. My little April Fool gag was illustrated with photos of genuine artifacts, either from the Alta site, or from various French Palaeolithic sites, including the Abri du Poisson [Fish Rock Shelter] at Les-Eyzies-de-Tayac. The origin of the artifacts was given at the end of the article, which in any case was written in such a patently tongue-in-cheek manner that it would have been quite obvious that it was not to be taken seriously ….

… or, at least, so I thought at the time, having quite failed to take into account some web-users’ gullibility and inability to read more than two consecutive lines of text! And so it was that I later found on various forums – this one for instance - my 2007 fish presented as a real artifact found at Visoko. At one time, there was even a Bosnian page, now defunct, which, although omitting the parts that were completely over the top, reproduced word for word the text of my article!

We move on to the next episode of the saga, where we enter another dimension altogether, no longer the domain of mere ignorance or credulity, but perilously close to out and out fraud. In May 2010, on an Italian forum, the account of my April Fool fish reappeared once more. Although it was still described in terms of a genuine discovery, the author on this occasion was a certain Nenad Djurdjevic. Now, Mr. Djurdjevic was in no position to plead ignorance of my article really being intended as a spoof. In actual fact, he is a friend of Mr. Osmanagic, has been following the latter’s work right from the beginning, and is well aware that there have been no finds of any fish-related archaeological treasures, whether on the “Pyramid of the Dragon” or on any of the other "pyramids”. This did not prevent him from stating the following on this Italian forum: “Sono state scoperte delle arti rupestri che raffigurano uomini in barca che vanno a pesca, raffigurazioni e manufatti a forma di diverse specie di pesce oggi sconosciute." ["There are reports of a discovery of rock art depicting fishermen in a boat, and images and artifacts in the form of various species of fish today unknown"]). The full story, which leaves little room for doubt about Mr. Djurdjevic’s credibility and integrity (he also has two pro-pyramid blogs, http://www.bosnian-pyramid.org/ and http://bpblognews.blogspot.fr/), is told here.

To return to Mr. Jongbloed: I cannot begin to imagine how the photo of the Alta site found its way onto his page. Could he have found it whilst Googling “Pyramid of the Dragon”? Could it have been sent to him by a member of the Bosnian Pyramid Foundation, namely, Mr. Djurdjevic himself? Or some ordinary web-user? No matter: the fact is that he repeats a completely invented piece of information (even if he takes the precaution of using the conditional tense: “This would have been the location of discoveries of traces left by fishing communities during an era when the valley would have been partly submerged”), especially since he includes an image of the so-called “Pyramid of the Dragon,” all without the least attempt at checking the facts. Hardly a demonstration of professionalism from someone presenting himself as an expert in “antediluvian“ civilizations, who has travelled through Scandinavia, and who claims to be revealing to his audience “the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth!"

Update - January 14, 2014

As might be expected, Mr. Jongbloed (who is obviously no stranger to covering his tracks) has today [1] removed the image of the so-called “Pyramid of the Dragon” from his Facebook page. Although his teaser ad still announces photos from “six monuments",

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the album in fact contains no more than five such images, together with three photos of the Visoko hotel:

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whereas, a few days ago, the same album certainly included the reference to “evidence of fishing communities":

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U Bosanskoj piramidi Sunca otkriven izdubljen tunel s pitkom vodom?!

Sedmomjesečni rad tima Fondacije "Arheološki park: Bosanska piramida Sunca" u periodu oktobar 2013. - april 2014. rezultirao je novim značajnim otkrićem

Inače, visina vode u novootkrivenom tunelu iznosi u prosjeku 70-80 cm. U ovu sekciju podzemnog labirinta ljudska noga nije kročila već hiljadama godina. Preliminarni nalazi francuskih ronioca potvrđuju da je tunel dugačak blizu 100 metara.

Kroz manji otvoreni dio se vidi kako se tunel nastavlja još tridesetak metara i onda skreće udesno, javljaju na portalu Piramida Sunca.

Drugi krak ovog tunela dugačak je pet metara i onda je blokiran ubačenim materijalom. Pošto ovaj dio nije pod vodom, Fondacija će se fokusirati na čišćenje ovog zatrpanog dijela.

Početkom maja postavljena je iluminacija u očišćenom dijelu podzemnog labirinta, kao i reflektor ispred sekcije s vodom.

Ovo otkriće na najbolji način potvrđuje ispravnost hipoteze Semira Osmanagića iz 2005. godine da se mreža prahistorijskih podzemnih tunela pruža ispod čitave Visočke doline te da su podzemne vode vrlo značajan element piramidalnog kompleksa.

Fokus istraživanja u periodu 2010.-2014. i ubuduće će biti usmjeren ka dolasku ispod Bosanske piramide Sunca, pa će se tako nastaviti čistiti tuneli u smjeru jug – jugoistok.

GEOPOLYMER CEMENT FOUND IN THE BOSNIAN PYRAMIDS

Written by Press team
Tuesday, 03 June 2014 1

“The team of interdisciplinary scientists conducting studies on the cosmic energy enigma at the archaeological site in Bosnia are on a relentless pursuit to uncover the wisdom from the ancient culture that left this behind,” states Dr. Sam Osmanagich.

Izmišljeni narativi: Bosanske piramide

Posted by: Saša Buljević|arheon.org

Prošlo je devet godina od objave Semira Osmanagića o njegovom navodnom otkriću piramide na lokaciji Visočice. Tokom proteklih godina podrška javnosti ovom samoproglašenom istraživaču je osicilirala od euforije i pružanja medijskog prostora u vidu dokumentarnog serijala do razočarenja i medijske cenzure. Sa medijskom cenzurom činilo mi se da je euforijska bujica konačno prošla te da će se na Osmanagića i njegove piramide zaboraviti kao i na većinu besmislica koje povremeno isplivaju i bivaju predstavljene kao genijalne ideje.

S obzirom da studiram arheologiju prilikom razgovora sa laicima o arheologiji uvijek mi bude postavljeno isto pitanje: „A šta je sa piramidama u Visokom?“. Konstantno ponavljanje ovog pitanja jasno ukazuje da Osmanagić i njegove piramide nisu stvar prošlosti iako ih stručnjaci i mediji ignorišu. One još uvijek postoje u glavama ljudi koji nažalost nisu dovoljno upućeni u arheologiju i bogatu kulturnu prošlost bosanskohercegovačkog geografskog prostora.
Obaranje teze o piramidama u Visokom nije zahtjevan umni zadatak i zahtjeva osnovno poznavanje principa arheologije i praistorije ovog područja. Naime sam Osmanagić je u svojim tezama kreirao mnoštvo kontradiktornosti te nije uložio mnogo napora da ih prikrije.

U knjizi „Bosanska piramida Sunca“ Osmanagić već na početku otkriva površno znanje o mehanizmima nastajanja određenih identiteta i društvenih zajedica banalizovajući ovu problematiku kroz genetička istraživanja. Iz čega sljedi prema Osmanagiću da isključivo geni utiču na identitet i samoidentifikaciju individue.Očigledno je Osmanagić doslovno shvatio uproštenu terminologiju kojom se dosadni nazivi haplogrupa zamjenjuju imenima naroda ili etničkih grupa kod kojih su iste najviše zastupljene. Geni zapravo ne igraju značajnu ulogu prilikom stvaranja identiteta koji je produkt kompleksih društvenih (ne bioloških!) odnosa.

U svojoj knjizi Osmanagić najmanje priča o piramidi iz jednostavog razloga, jer piramide nema! Ispitivanja geološkim sondama nisu ništa otkrila osim prirodnih formacija stijena koje Osmanagić očajno pokušava objasniti kao produkt ljudske aktivnosti New age stereotipima skladnosti drevnog čovjeka i prirode. Još je više iznenađujuće kako Osmanagić (na osnovu nekoliko sondažnih ispitivanja i površne analize lokaliteta) riješava problematiku izgradnje piramide iznoseći svoje pretpostavke kao objektivne istine. Analize laboratorije koje upućuju na malu vjerovatnoću ljudskog uticaja na formiranje prezentovanog geološkog materijala ne utiču na ideje Osmanagića koje polako poprimaju sumanute odlike daljom analizom antičkih lokaliteta na području Hercegovine i jadranskog primorija.

Sumanute ideje Osmanagića tokom proteklih godina sve se više ispoljavaju kroz povezanost sa naučnofantastičnim serijalom History Channela „Ancient aliens“ , piscem naučnefanstastikeErich Von Danikenom (nažalost History Channel i Daniken imaju tendenciju da svoje naučnofantastične priče prikazuju kao naučne činjenice čime varaju svoje čitaoce i gledaoce),prodajom mistične ljekovite vode iz piramida, kopanjem imaginarnih tunela, otkrivanjem energetskih polja, svijetlećih orbova itd.

S obzirom da nije teško uočiti mnoštvo nedostataka teze o piramidama, postavlja se pitanje zašto još uvijek ljudi vjeruju Osmanagiću i zašto je teško objasniti da piramida nema?
Odgovor na ova pitanja po mom mišljenju se krije u teškoj ekonomskoj i političkoj situaciji u kojoj se našedruštvo nalazi, te neinformisanost šire javnosti o istinskom kulturnom blagu naše zemlje. Za loše stanje u zemlji možemo kriviti većinu političara kojima su preči vlastiti interesi od potreba građana, dok razlog neinformisanosti javnosti ne smjemo isključivo tražiti u nezainteresovanosti iste.

Problematika seže dublje, u loš edukacijski sistem i nepostojanje plana i kordinacije između arheologa kad je u pitanju popularizacija arheologije. Međutim treba naglasti da pojedine institucije kulture uprkos teškoj situaciji u kojoj se nalaze pokušavaju da promjene nešto u ovom domenu te sa nikakvim ili minimalnim sredstvima kreiraju edukacijske programe.
U navedenoj atmosferi imaginarne piramide Osmanagića su postale dio bosanskog nacionalnog identiteta i predmet vjerovanja a ne proučavanja. To je i najopasnija odlika teorije o piramidama jer je vjerovanja teško oboriti naučnim činjenicama i logikom te svaka kritika teorije o piramidama postaje uvreda upućena BiH i bosancima koji piramide smatraju kao dio svog nacionalnog identiteta.

P.S. Čitaoce upućujem na blog Izme Guglića koji je na veoma kreativan način doprinjeo raskrinkavanju lažne naučnosti Semira Osmanagića i njegove fondacije.
http://izmo-ekspert.blogspot.com/

Otkrivene dvije kuće stare oko 5000 godina
Objavljeno: 29. 09. 2014 - 15:53 Novosti

Topića brdo kod Prijedora krilo je tajnu kuće stare preko 5000 godina. Dobro očuvane dijelove praistorijske građevine na dubini od oko 160 centimetra otkrili su ovih dana arheolozi Univerziteta u Cambridgeu zajedno s prijedorskim i arheolozima iz Banjaluke. I to je po riječima profesora Charliea Frencha, šefa katedre za arheologiju u Kembridžu po prvi put da se u BiH na toj dubini pronađe kuća iz bakarnog doba. I to u prilično dobrom stanju.

- Naišli smo na potpuno očuvan pod, na zidove čiji su temelji očuvani do 30 centimetara visine, potom na isprepletene grane koje su vjerovatno bile osnova zidova oblijepljenih blatom, na ostatke zemlje koje bi mogli biti potencijalno srušeni krov… U sredini kuće bio je ostatak ognjišta. Sve je netaknuto. Uzeli smo uzorke iz unutrašnjosti kuće i ognjišta koje šaljemo na analizu. Pretpostavljamo da je eneolit na osnovu keramike - kazao nam je jučer profesor Frenč koji je dan pred odlazak u Veliku Britaniju iskoristio kako bi na drugom i arheološki priznatom lokalitetu, Zecovima kod Prijedora, uzeo uzorke s još jednog praistorijskog nalazišta. Tu je najvjerovatnije nešto mlađa kuća, stara oko 4500 godina.

Cilj arheologa je kako kaže Tonko Rajkovače, šef geoarheološke laboratorije Univerziteta u Cambridge “da na osnovu tačnih analiza uzorka potvrde otkrića i njihov značaj, osvježe ranija saznanja o ovom lokalitetu i tako popune i arheološku kartu Evrope”.

S početkom marta naredne godine stručnjaci s Kembridža se opet vraćaju na Topića Brdo i u Zecove kod Prijedora. I nastavljaju moguće s jednim velikim projektom, na Topića Brdu. Inače ova istraživanja dio su projekta “Tempus” kojeg finansira EU.

Intenzivan život

- Pronađene kuće na Topića Brdu i u Zecovima sa obiljem keramičkog materijala govore da je u to vrijeme, prije više od 4500 godina, ovdje bio vrlo intenzivan život. To se na osnovu pronađenog sve dobro vidi okom arheologa - kazao je Milenko Radivojac, areheolog iz Prijedora. Pored stručnjaka s Cambridgea na Topića Brdu i Zecovima rade i areholozi Zavoda za zaštitu kulturno istorijskog i prirodnog naslijeđa RS iz Banjaluke
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