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Oslobodili smo nekoliko općina u Krajini za kratak period jer nas više nisu napadali sa 3 strane. Oslobodili bi i Sarajevo da se nastavilo.

Kako da ne. Osvojili ste uz pomoć Hrvata, osvojili ste jer su Srbe napadale peteroduplo jače snage HV-a, HVO-a i NATO avijacija. Čim su HV i HVO stali, VRS vas je izbacila iz Ključa i zaprijetila da se vratite do Une. HVO i HRHB su reagirali i tu vas spasili.

Jedino ko je mogao uzeti Banja Luku su Hrvati, bez vas ili sa vama, svejedno. Vi niste sami mogli ni jednu zemunicu uzet.

Nema šanse da ste mogli uzeti Banjaluku .
Ni pojedinačno ,ni zajedno ..
Naravno ,dio banjalučana je dao petama vjetar,ništa čudno u tome,bježali bi i zagrepčani,kao što su bježali i Muslimani iz muslimanskog Sarajeva..Ali ostalo nas je sasvim dovoljno da je odbranimo ,a imali smo i čime.
Mogli ste joj nanijeti štetu ,ali bi vas to skupo koštalo.
Vjeruj nije šuplje srbovanje kad kažem da su te priče o mogućem padu BL mit koji veliku štetu nanosi muslimanskoj " dječurliji "u realnom sagledavanju mnogo čega.

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Nema šanse da ste mogli uzeti Banjaluku .
Ni pojedinačno ,ni zajedno ..
Naravno ,dio banjalučana je dao petama vjetar,ništa čudno u tome,bježali bi i zagrepčani,kao što su bježali i Muslimani iz muslimanskog Sarajeva..Ali ostalo nas je sasvim dovoljno da je odbranimo ,a imali smo i čime.
Mogli ste joj nanijeti štetu ,ali bi vas to skupo koštalo.
Vjeruj nije šuplje srbovanje kad kažem da su te priče o mogućem padu BL mit koji veliku štetu nanosi muslimanskoj " dječurliji "u realnom sagledavanju mnogo čega.


Inače ste vjerodostojni pa vam vjerujemo...

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Nema šanse da ste mogli uzeti Banjaluku .
Ni pojedinačno ,ni zajedno ..
Naravno ,dio banjalučana je dao petama vjetar,ništa čudno u tome,bježali bi i zagrepčani,kao što su bježali i Muslimani iz muslimanskog Sarajeva..Ali ostalo nas je sasvim dovoljno da je odbranimo ,a imali smo i čime.
Mogli ste joj nanijeti štetu ,ali bi vas to skupo koštalo.
Vjeruj nije šuplje srbovanje kad kažem da su te priče o mogućem padu BL mit koji veliku štetu nanosi muslimanskoj " dječurliji "u realnom sagledavanju mnogo čega.


Inače ste vjerodostojni pa vam vjerujemo...


Reconquista ,nije pod moranje .
Napisao sam to sa osjećajem da vam činim . A da li ćeš ti meni vjerovati , ili ne , boli me tuki :wink
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Povjerovaće mi bar pametniji među vama.

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Tu se možemo složiti jer i mene boli ona stvar za šuplje ili nešuplje srbovanje.

Samo mi je simpatično to "vjeruj mi" jer to isto koriste i muslimani na forumima, a ni mi ni vi im ne vjerujemo. S razlogom.

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Tu se možemo složiti jer i mene boli ona stvar za šuplje ili nešuplje srbovanje.

Samo mi je simpatično to "vjeruj mi" jer to isto koriste i muslimani na forumima, a ni mi ni vi im ne vjerujemo. S razlogom.

Otimaj se paranoji., valja nekome i povjerovati . Jedno je sigurno , ja nisam Musliman.
A opet , vjeruj mi :zubati , ne lažu ni oni baš sve.
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Ja nikad ne lažem , osim možda nešto sitno , recimo kad lovim ribu. :blushing

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Nema nikakve paranoje, znamo se. Samo opušteno. :001_cool

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Nema nikakve paranoje, znamo se. Samo opušteno. :001_cool

Znamo :001_cool

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Glumite inat narod. :smajl007 Rusi vam mogu sutra već zavnuiti pipu za plin,
pa će te guzice više smrzavati nego kad su vas Srbi 4 godine čuvali u kotlini. :zubati


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Tko uspije izbrojati 10 džamija dobije nagradu.


Nazire se 11. gore

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Kako da ne. Osvojili ste uz pomoć Hrvata, osvojili ste jer su Srbe napadale peteroduplo jače snage HV-a, HVO-a i NATO avijacija. Čim su HV i HVO stali, VRS vas je izbacila iz Ključa i zaprijetila da se vratite do Une. HVO i HRHB su reagirali i tu vas spasili.

Jedino ko je mogao uzeti Banja Luku su Hrvati, bez vas ili sa vama, svejedno. Vi niste sami mogli ni jednu zemunicu uzet.

Nema šanse da ste mogli uzeti Banjaluku .
Ni pojedinačno ,ni zajedno ..
Naravno ,dio banjalučana je dao petama vjetar,ništa čudno u tome,bježali bi i zagrepčani,kao što su bježali i Muslimani iz muslimanskog Sarajeva..Ali ostalo nas je sasvim dovoljno da je odbranimo ,a imali smo i čime.
Mogli ste joj nanijeti štetu ,ali bi vas to skupo koštalo.
Vjeruj nije šuplje srbovanje kad kažem da su te priče o mogućem padu BL mit koji veliku štetu nanosi muslimanskoj " dječurliji "u realnom sagledavanju mnogo čega.

Pročitaj analizu Amerikanaca i NATO-a što je neko objavio. Sve je bilo pitanje vremena. Ako bi produžili Južni potez ne bi imali vremena se regrupirat i BL bi pala. Da smo stali, sačekali, vi bi se pregrupirali i vjerovatno ne bi pala, ali bi vam onda Prijedor bio nebranjen, isto kao Doboj i Posavina, nešta bi moralo past.

Kratko i jasno.

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Nema šanse da ste mogli uzeti Banjaluku .
Ni pojedinačno ,ni zajedno ..
Naravno ,dio banjalučana je dao petama vjetar,ništa čudno u tome,bježali bi i zagrepčani,kao što su bježali i Muslimani iz muslimanskog Sarajeva..Ali ostalo nas je sasvim dovoljno da je odbranimo ,a imali smo i čime.
Mogli ste joj nanijeti štetu ,ali bi vas to skupo koštalo.
Vjeruj nije šuplje srbovanje kad kažem da su te priče o mogućem padu BL mit koji veliku štetu nanosi muslimanskoj " dječurliji "u realnom sagledavanju mnogo čega.

Pročitaj analizu Amerikanaca i NATO-a što je neko objavio. Sve je bilo pitanje vremena. Ako bi produžili Južni potez ne bi imali vremena se regrupirat i BL bi pala. Da smo stali, sačekali, vi bi se pregrupirali i vjerovatno ne bi pala, ali bi vam onda Prijedor bio nebranjen, isto kao Doboj i Posavina, nešta bi moralo past.

Kratko i jasno.


Da ste nastavili, umijesala bi se Srbija i vratili bi vas do Krajine.

Prijedor je dobro branjen. Srbi su skoro potukli Muslimane do Sanskog Mosta. Rodjak mi je govorio da su dosli do ulaza u grad koji je bio prazan. Cekala se artiljerijska podrska, pa da se vraca grad, al u tom je primirje doslo.

Gdin. Glasnovic smatra da bi bila ludost nastavljati operaciju.

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Pročitaj analizu Amerikanaca i NATO-a što je neko objavio. Sve je bilo pitanje vremena. Ako bi produžili Južni potez ne bi imali vremena se regrupirat i BL bi pala. Da smo stali, sačekali, vi bi se pregrupirali i vjerovatno ne bi pala, ali bi vam onda Prijedor bio nebranjen, isto kao Doboj i Posavina, nešta bi moralo past.

Kratko i jasno.


Da ste nastavili, umijesala bi se Srbija i vratili bi vas do Krajine.

Prijedor je dobro branjen. Srbi su skoro potukli Muslimane do Sanskog Mosta. Rodjak mi je govorio da su dosli do ulaza u grad koji je bio prazan. Cekala se artiljerijska podrska, pa da se vraca grad, al u tom je primirje doslo.

Gdin. Glasnovic smatra da bi bila ludost nastavljati operaciju.

Srbiju bi na ravnici dočekale 2 ukopane gardijske brigade i komplet Slavonija u domobranstvu. Osijek i Vinkovci su bili bunker gradovi.

Prijedor je bio dobro branjen, ali bi ta vojska morala ići u Banja Luku ako bi ju htjeli sačuvati, kao i oklopna krajiska brigada. Doboj, Prijedor i Posavina bi vam visili u zraku i to je sve pod pretpostavkom da bi mi stali u Južnom potezu, a stajanje nije bilo predviđeno, stalo se zbog Daytona.

Podsjećam, HV je tada u Bosni koristio ekspedicijske snage, samo 2 gardijske brigade.

Ne trolajte više.

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Kako da ne. Osvojili ste uz pomoć Hrvata, osvojili ste jer su Srbe napadale peteroduplo jače snage HV-a, HVO-a i NATO avijacija. Čim su HV i HVO stali, VRS vas je izbacila iz Ključa i zaprijetila da se vratite do Une. HVO i HRHB su reagirali i tu vas spasili.

Jedino ko je mogao uzeti Banja Luku su Hrvati, bez vas ili sa vama, svejedno. Vi niste sami mogli ni jednu zemunicu uzet.

Nema šanse da ste mogli uzeti Banjaluku .
Ni pojedinačno ,ni zajedno ..
Naravno ,dio banjalučana je dao petama vjetar,ništa čudno u tome,bježali bi i zagrepčani,kao što su bježali i Muslimani iz muslimanskog Sarajeva..Ali ostalo nas je sasvim dovoljno da je odbranimo ,a imali smo i čime.
Mogli ste joj nanijeti štetu ,ali bi vas to skupo koštalo.
Vjeruj nije šuplje srbovanje kad kažem da su te priče o mogućem padu BL mit koji veliku štetu nanosi muslimanskoj " dječurliji "u realnom sagledavanju mnogo čega.


...ok je to što si napisa... :smajl054


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Pa ne bi mi insistirali na Banja Luci, ako padne padne, ne bi nitko ginuo za to. Dovoljno je proći sa strane, prekinuti koridor i onda ući u mirovne pregovore. Enklava Banja Luka bi se topila sama od sebe.

Nego, imate li išta pametno o "Rusija smanjila dotok plina BIH za 50%"?

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Kamo srece da su srbi uspili izbrisat bihaćki džep pa to nakon oluje oslobodit, vec sad bi bila HB unsko-sanska županija.

LNG terminal nije crveni križ, jedini ako bi ameri tili placat za vas a nije bas da vas toliko vole.

To ih je Tuđman spasio.
A nije trebao, da su ih poklali, ne bi Ameri radili crvena svjetla oko BL, pa niti dalje.
Ali onda bi dobili bosnjakistan na pola bih i probleme s njima.
Je da bi imali Unsko-sansku (ili Psetsko-sansku) županiju, Vrbaško-banjalučku (Banskolivadsku? Ili Vrbaško-glasku?l žuoaniju, a i posavsku županiju, mozda i tribunjsku/trebinjsku, ali tko zna kako bi to završilo.

Pogledaj Drvar.
A sa Srbima sad imamo mir.
Osim ako opet krenu čačkat mečku.


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Tako je, ustvari idealno je da u BiH bude jednak broj Muslimana i Srba, ili može biti malo više muslimana ako su potpuno izgubili vitalnost i ako su Srbi vojno jači.

Ali idealno je da se BiH potpuno isprazni,


da bude ko Laponija na sjeveru Švedske i Finske.


A posebno da se isprazni


sve zapadno od rijeke Bosne.


Btw primjetite da ne postoji rijeka Hrvatska ili rijeka Srbija.

Ceha je i na tebe izvršio utjecaj sa njegovim nebulozama i prognozama. O "trokutićima Bosna Ukrina, Principovo i Kozlarevo"

Troler purgerski.


Zar Principovo i Kozlarevo nisu dobra imena?
Bolje da ste vi nego muslimani u njima.

A moraš shvatiti i da bi mi Francekovo.
Trebalo bi još srediti Kordićevo (Zenicu) i Praljkovo.
Samo ne znam koji bi ex-muslimanski grad mogao nositi to ime


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Nama uzimanje Banske Luke nije bilo u interesu niti veći poraz Srba u slabljenje u odnosu na muslimane. To je jedna velika istina. I test inteligencije za Hrvate.

Ali kad krenu Srbi sa svojom mitologijom i bahatlukom...

Budući su lukavi Latini znali i koliko nafte imaju pa da nemaju s čim svu tehniku koju su imali ni pokrenuti, a da ne pričamo o obučenom ljudstvu za tu tehniku kojeg nisu imali, logističke probleme, itd.

No Srbi ko Srbi, jednodimenzionalni. Njima je strašno bitno što su imali 3000 tenkova na početku ili sad 280, a to što sad nemaju ni sto posada za te tenkove, a nisu imali niti tada manje bitno...o uvježbanosti i ratnom iskustvu da ne govorimo.

Nije slučajno Karadžić molio Tuđmana pomoć dok su Srbi držali trećinu teritorija Hrvatske okupirano i 70% BiH. Ali se molilo Tuđmana.

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Još nešto niko i nije očekivao da vi oslobodite Banja Luku. Armija je mogla sama slomiti VRS da se rat nastavio, jedino uz pomoć Srbije ovi su se mogli održati. Uostalom cijeli rat Srbija ih je držala u svakom smislu.

Cijelo vrijeme rata nijedan veći grad nije promijenio ruke osim Vukovara, a zna se kolika je bila cijena toga. Koliko bi koštalo uzimanje grada kao što je Banja Luka? Šanse za to su mizerne.

Nije istina da je Srbija njih podržavala u svakom smislu cijelo vrijeme rata. Pa u jednom času su im udarili sankcije praktično.

Koja je veličina Jajca?

Srbija je imala nafte za tenkove za mjesec dana, bila je kao Njemacka 44, imala ije mozda snage za Ardene i to je to.

Muslimane smo bili slomili, to je jedina "vojska' bez artiljerije.
Oni su pred Washington bili pred pucanjem, zato i jesu klekli i pristali da uđu u naš protektorat.
Samo malo je sto je 1 hr glas vrijedio kao 3 muslimanska, trebao je kao 9 ili 10...
Nisu osvojili ni jedno selo, dobili su Sanski Most, Petrovac, Ključ i Krupu milošću HVa, kao i Donji Vakuf.
I još smo ih obranili kad su ih Srbi htjeli nalemati svaki put.
Valjda ovaj računa HV pod svoju artiljeriju.


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Još nešto niko i nije očekivao da vi oslobodite Banja Luku. Armija je mogla sama slomiti VRS da se rat nastavio, jedino uz pomoć Srbije ovi su se mogli održati. Uostalom cijeli rat Srbija ih je držala u svakom smislu.

Da je armija mogla slama slomiti VRS ne bi bilo heljp baznija, ne bi bio Bihać u okruženju i ne bi bilo Sarajevo u okruženju.

Sve što ste uzeli u USK ste uzeli na račun silne snage HV-a za kojom ste se šlepali, čak smo vas morali spašavati kad je VRS udario kontranapad prema Uni.

Bez Hrvata bi vi i dalje bili na 17% države, zato bi bilo lijepo da ste malo uljudniji prema nama.

Ne bi oni ni 17 % imali.
Srbi bi ih pobili...
I u Bihaću, Tuzli, Sarajevu....
Kao u Srebrenici
Sve im je oružje dolazilo preko nas.
Da smo mi zatvorili pipu....


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Ceha je i na tebe izvršio utjecaj sa njegovim nebulozama i prognozama. O "trokutićima Bosna Ukrina, Principovo i Kozlarevo"

Troler purgerski.


Zar Principovo i Kozlarevo nisu dobra imena?
Bolje da ste vi nego muslimani u njima.

A moraš shvatiti i da bi mi Francekovo.
Trebalo bi još srediti Kordićevo (Zenicu) i Praljkovo.
Samo ne znam koji bi ex-muslimanski grad mogao nositi to ime


Praljkovo kao novo ime za kvart istocni Mostar.


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Balkan Battlegrounds, Vol. I (pg. 394, Paragraph 2). Central Intelligence Agency, Office of Russian and European Analysis, Washington, D.C. 20505

The Croatian Army had again established its position as the premier military organization in the Balkans. The HV's strengths included excellent staff planning, its employment of professional shock brigades, and the ability to support its elite infantry with strong artillery fire and air support. The HV had devel oped a true combined arms capability in which picked infantry units backed by armor and artillery could fight their way through tough defenses and then rapidly exploit their breakthrough to the final objective.

These traits made the HV almost impossible to stop.


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"One of the most discussed hypothetical questions of the final campaign is whether the HV could have taken Banja Luka. The answer is a heavily qualified "probably", the main qualifier being timing. An HV dash for Banja Luka soon after the completion of "Maestral" probably would have got to the city quickly or forced the VRS to divert all of the reserves it was sending to Prijedor instead to Banja Luka, in which case the 5th Corps could have taken Prijedor. The same holds true for "Juzni Potez" in that, the more quickly the HV moved, the less time the VRS would have had to prepare. On the other hand, if the VRS had been given time to transfer more units after "Juzni Potez," Banja Luka most likely would have proved a difficult nut for even the HV to crack. In the immediate aftermath of Mrkonjic Grad's fall, the VRS had already shifted the veteran 16th Krajina Motorized Brigade -- probably best brigade in the RS -- to Manjaca. 835 If the VRS believed an HV operation against Banja Luka was imminent, the Main Staff would most likely have transferred all available reserves to the Manjaca area, building up a force that could have numbered at least nine and maybe 11 brigades, including a full-armored brigade, with upward of 15,000 to 20,000 troops. 836 The VRS would have verly likely fought even harder for Banja Luka than the SVK did at Knin, for they would not have been encircled. Such a large-scale movement of reserves, however, would have left the VRS vulnerable to attacks elsewhere, particularly around Doboj and -- depending on whether the HV/HVO wanted it -- in the Posavina area opposite Orasje."


Citat:
Evaluations of the Forces at the End of the War

How had the armies performed during the last battles in Bosnia's Wild West?

All three forces (considering the HV/HVO as a single military force) had amply demonstrated their strengths and weaknesses during a full month of
some of the most intense combat of the war.

The Croatian Army had again established its position as the premier military organization in the Balkans. The HV's strengths included excellent staff planning, its employment of professional shock bri gades, and the ability to support its elite infantry with strong artillery fire and air support. The HV had developed a true combined arms capability in which picked infantry units backed by armor and artillery could fight their way through tough defenses and then rapidly exploit their breakthrough to the final objective.

These traits made the HV almost impossible to stop.

The weak spots in any HV campaign remained the Home Defense and reserve formations, most of which had little offensive punch and were no match for the majority of VRS units.

As for the ARBiH, it is true that the HV provided the main impetus in defeating the VRS, but the Bosnian Army played a key role in these operations as well. ARBiH operations throughout the country kept VRS units tied down and made it difficult to shift reserves to halt the HV's attacks. General Dudakovic was not wholly reliant on Croatian attacks to ease the way forARBiH advances, even though analysts have argued that the 5th Corps was able to break out from the Grabez plateau on 13 September only because of a coordinated VRS withdrawal made necessary by the successof "Maestral." On the contrary, it is clear that the 5th Corps defeated the 2nd Krajina Corps at Grabez on its own and that the VRS had no intention of pulling out of the area and was still holding out in Drvar againstthe HV the day of the ARBiH's successful attack. It was the arrival of the 5th Corps at Petrovac that aided the HV attack rather than the other way around. The 5th Corps won its unique victory because of the moral and tactical ascendancy that its elite infantry units had established over the VRS forces during three years of hard fighting on the Grabez plateau.

Time and again Dudakovic's forces had demoralized the Serb defenders with sophisticated diversion and infiltration tactics, and they were no longer able to resist them. What kept the ARBiH from triumphing over the VRS in other situations was its persistent weaknesses in heavy weaponry, which made it vulnerable to the VRS's strengths in armor, artillery, and solid staff work. The effects of this mismatch in capabilities were fully demonstrated during the late September-early October VRS counterstrikes and exacerbated in the open warfare of the last campaign. In those battles, ARBiH troops had to fight offensively, unprotected by fortifications, against VRS units that did not have the same fear of the ARBiH infantry that had been impressed upon the 2nd Krajina Corps troops. The 5th Corps' final capture of Sanski Most was, in fact, something of a fluke because the VRS had placed its luckless Grabez units opposite their most feared opponents.

The ARBiH commanders-particularly Generals Delic and Dudakovic-firmly believed that they could have quickly gained substantially more ground from the VRS around Prijedor and Banja Luka after the victory of Sanski Most. In this belief they are probably overrating their capabilities against VRS forces that had regrouped and regained their footing between Sanski Most and Prijedor. In most of the VRS-ARBiH combat following the 15 September 5th Corps break out from Bihac, the VRS had held the upper hand. Even after the ARBiH captured Sanski Most, the VRS was able to halt the 5th Corps drive on Prijedor. It therefore seems unlikely that the 5th Corps, even reinforced by units from 7th Corps and other formations, could have beaten the 1st Krajina Corps without the help of anew HV operation directed at Banja Luka.

The Bosnian Serb Army, denigrated throughout the war as armed thugs good only at slaughtering civilians, proved in the last months of its existence that it could still fight hard against a Croatian Army that clearly overmatched its military capabilities.

Analysis of the latter-day war operations refutes many claims and rumors that the VRS voluntarily withdrew from its positions in western Bosnia rather than being forced from the region by the HV /HVO and ARBiH. In the first place, the VRS had firmly maintained no withdrawals would be made, even from territory not required by the Serbs, until after a cease-was signed; then, if territory had to be given up, the population could depart in an orderly way. In keeping with this position, the VRS everywhere stood up to the initial attacks made on it but proved unable to stem the flood of the Croat-Muslim tide.

Against the HV, its fatal flaw almost predictably proved to be the lack of adequate corps-level reserves to seal breaches in VRS lines. Generally the VRS appears to have been able to hold the HV for about a day in its forward defenses before the HV was able to chew through its positions.

Because it had virtually no reserve brigades in western Bosnia and because its positions there generally consisted only of a single defensive zone no more than 5 to 10 kilometers deep, the VRS was unable to mount the counterattacks by which it had maintained these positions against the ARBiH.

In fighting the HV/HVO, VRS units were faced for the first time with an opponent that not only matched but also exceeded their own firepower in armor and artillery while also outnumbering them in manpower. Finally, what tipped the balance, even when the offense/defense ratio favored the VRS, was the HV/HVO's elite shock infantry brigades. The VRS could defeat Croatian reserve units. The well-trained, doggedly persistent Guards were another matter.

The VRS generals, Mladic and Milovanovic, and the VRS Main Staff displayed to the end their prowess at engneering strategic shifts of their limited formations. The move of seven major formations from halfway across the country despite heavy damage to its command and control structure during the NATO air campaign was a triumph of the VRS Main Staff's professionalism and skill. The Serbs' rapid execution of major counterattacks also showed how powerful the VRS remained at the end of the 'war, particularly against the ARBiH. In his last campaign, however, the western Bosnia theater commander, General Milovanovic, appears to have made some initial errors in his force dispositions that cost the VRS dearly. His forces were split too evenly among the Donji Vakuf, Glamoc-Drvar, and Grabez sectors, rather than concentrated in what the VRS considered a vital sector.

Given that the HV was the main threat, he should have either concentrated more troops opposite the Glamoc- Drvar area sooner or sent in his reserves before the enemy breakthrough. The VRS Main Staff, too, either did not recognize how brittle the 2nd Krajina Corps had become or was unable to do anything about it; General Tomanic's command appears to have been through the wringer one too many times and collapsed fatally on the Grabez under yet another 5th Corps attack. In all, the VRS simply faced too many competing priorities throughout Bosnia so that the Main Staff could no longer focus its forces on one theater.

One of the most discussed hypothetical questions of the final campaign is whether the HV could have taken Banja Luka. The answer is a heavily qualified "probably," the main qualifier being timing. An HV dash for Banja Luka soon after the completion of "Maestral" probably would have got to the city quickly or forced the VRS to divert all of the reserves it was sending to Prijedor instead to Banja Luka, in which case the 5th Corps could have taken Prijedor. The same holds true for "Juzni Potez" in that, the more quickly the HV moved, the less time the VRS would have had to prepare. On the other hand, if the VRS had been given time to transfer more units after "Juzni Potez," Banja Luka most likely would have proved a difficult nut for even the HV to crack. In the immediate aftermath of Mrkonjic Grad's fall, the VRS had already shifted the veteran 16th Krajina Motorized Brigade-probably the best brigade in the VRS-to Manjaca.83S If the VRS believed an HV operation against Banja Luka was imminent, the Main Staff would most likely have transferred all available reserves to the Manjaca area, building up a force that could have numbered at least nine and maybe 11 brigades, including a full-armored brigade, with upward of 15,000 to 20,000) troops.836 The VRS troops would very likely have fought' even harder for Banja Luka than the SVK did at Knin, for they would not have been encircled. Such a large-scale movement of reserves, however, would have left the VRS vulnerable to attacks elsewhere, particularly around Doboj and-depending on whether the HV /HVO wanted it in the Posavina area opposite Orasje.


Ovo je genijalan odgovor

The VRS would have verly likely fought even harder for Banja Luka than the SVK did at Knin, for they would not have been encircled. 

Dakle BL ne bi pala za 24 sata kao Knin, nego 48.
I cijeli citat je pun takvih suptilnih prcanja.

Da je VBS sabila svoje elitne brigade u kanjon Vrbasa i na Manjaču, prvo bi ih artiljerija "malo" naravnala onako sve na okupu.
Onda bi HV ušetao u Prijedor (preko zelenih) i ušao sleđa u bl.

A spominju se i operacije koje su dečki iz Orašja htjeli raditi.
Preko Šamca do Odžaka, pa Brod i Derventu, sve do predgrađa Doboja...
A imaš i one mudžahedine na ozrenu.


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Balkan Battlegrounds, Vol. I (pg. 394, Paragraph 2). Central Intelligence Agency, Office of Russian and European Analysis, Washington, D.C. 20505

The Croatian Army had again established its position as the premier military organization in the Balkans. The HV's strengths included excellent staff planning, its employment of professional shock brigades, and the ability to support its elite infantry with strong artillery fire and air support. The HV had devel oped a true combined arms capability in which picked infantry units backed by armor and artillery could fight their way through tough defenses and then rapidly exploit their breakthrough to the final objective.

These traits made the HV almost impossible to stop.


Citat:
"One of the most discussed hypothetical questions of the final campaign is whether the HV could have taken Banja Luka. The answer is a heavily qualified "probably", the main qualifier being timing. An HV dash for Banja Luka soon after the completion of "Maestral" probably would have got to the city quickly or forced the VRS to divert all of the reserves it was sending to Prijedor instead to Banja Luka, in which case the 5th Corps could have taken Prijedor. The same holds true for "Juzni Potez" in that, the more quickly the HV moved, the less time the VRS would have had to prepare. On the other hand, if the VRS had been given time to transfer more units after "Juzni Potez," Banja Luka most likely would have proved a difficult nut for even the HV to crack. In the immediate aftermath of Mrkonjic Grad's fall, the VRS had already shifted the veteran 16th Krajina Motorized Brigade -- probably best brigade in the RS -- to Manjaca. 835 If the VRS believed an HV operation against Banja Luka was imminent, the Main Staff would most likely have transferred all available reserves to the Manjaca area, building up a force that could have numbered at least nine and maybe 11 brigades, including a full-armored brigade, with upward of 15,000 to 20,000 troops. 836 The VRS would have verly likely fought even harder for Banja Luka than the SVK did at Knin, for they would not have been encircled. Such a large-scale movement of reserves, however, would have left the VRS vulnerable to attacks elsewhere, particularly around Doboj and -- depending on whether the HV/HVO wanted it -- in the Posavina area opposite Orasje."


Citat:
Evaluations of the Forces at the End of the War

How had the armies performed during the last battles in Bosnia's Wild West?

All three forces (considering the HV/HVO as a single military force) had amply demonstrated their strengths and weaknesses during a full month of
some of the most intense combat of the war.

The Croatian Army had again established its position as the premier military organization in the Balkans. The HV's strengths included excellent staff planning, its employment of professional shock bri gades, and the ability to support its elite infantry with strong artillery fire and air support. The HV had developed a true combined arms capability in which picked infantry units backed by armor and artillery could fight their way through tough defenses and then rapidly exploit their breakthrough to the final objective.

These traits made the HV almost impossible to stop.

The weak spots in any HV campaign remained the Home Defense and reserve formations, most of which had little offensive punch and were no match for the majority of VRS units.

As for the ARBiH, it is true that the HV provided the main impetus in defeating the VRS, but the Bosnian Army played a key role in these operations as well. ARBiH operations throughout the country kept VRS units tied down and made it difficult to shift reserves to halt the HV's attacks. General Dudakovic was not wholly reliant on Croatian attacks to ease the way forARBiH advances, even though analysts have argued that the 5th Corps was able to break out from the Grabez plateau on 13 September only because of a coordinated VRS withdrawal made necessary by the successof "Maestral." On the contrary, it is clear that the 5th Corps defeated the 2nd Krajina Corps at Grabez on its own and that the VRS had no intention of pulling out of the area and was still holding out in Drvar againstthe HV the day of the ARBiH's successful attack. It was the arrival of the 5th Corps at Petrovac that aided the HV attack rather than the other way around. The 5th Corps won its unique victory because of the moral and tactical ascendancy that its elite infantry units had established over the VRS forces during three years of hard fighting on the Grabez plateau.

Time and again Dudakovic's forces had demoralized the Serb defenders with sophisticated diversion and infiltration tactics, and they were no longer able to resist them. What kept the ARBiH from triumphing over the VRS in other situations was its persistent weaknesses in heavy weaponry, which made it vulnerable to the VRS's strengths in armor, artillery, and solid staff work. The effects of this mismatch in capabilities were fully demonstrated during the late September-early October VRS counterstrikes and exacerbated in the open warfare of the last campaign. In those battles, ARBiH troops had to fight offensively, unprotected by fortifications, against VRS units that did not have the same fear of the ARBiH infantry that had been impressed upon the 2nd Krajina Corps troops. The 5th Corps' final capture of Sanski Most was, in fact, something of a fluke because the VRS had placed its luckless Grabez units opposite their most feared opponents.

The ARBiH commanders-particularly Generals Delic and Dudakovic-firmly believed that they could have quickly gained substantially more ground from the VRS around Prijedor and Banja Luka after the victory of Sanski Most. In this belief they are probably overrating their capabilities against VRS forces that had regrouped and regained their footing between Sanski Most and Prijedor. In most of the VRS-ARBiH combat following the 15 September 5th Corps break out from Bihac, the VRS had held the upper hand. Even after the ARBiH captured Sanski Most, the VRS was able to halt the 5th Corps drive on Prijedor. It therefore seems unlikely that the 5th Corps, even reinforced by units from 7th Corps and other formations, could have beaten the 1st Krajina Corps without the help of anew HV operation directed at Banja Luka.

The Bosnian Serb Army, denigrated throughout the war as armed thugs good only at slaughtering civilians, proved in the last months of its existence that it could still fight hard against a Croatian Army that clearly overmatched its military capabilities.

Analysis of the latter-day war operations refutes many claims and rumors that the VRS voluntarily withdrew from its positions in western Bosnia rather than being forced from the region by the HV /HVO and ARBiH. In the first place, the VRS had firmly maintained no withdrawals would be made, even from territory not required by the Serbs, until after a cease-was signed; then, if territory had to be given up, the population could depart in an orderly way. In keeping with this position, the VRS everywhere stood up to the initial attacks made on it but proved unable to stem the flood of the Croat-Muslim tide.

Against the HV, its fatal flaw almost predictably proved to be the lack of adequate corps-level reserves to seal breaches in VRS lines. Generally the VRS appears to have been able to hold the HV for about a day in its forward defenses before the HV was able to chew through its positions.

Because it had virtually no reserve brigades in western Bosnia and because its positions there generally consisted only of a single defensive zone no more than 5 to 10 kilometers deep, the VRS was unable to mount the counterattacks by which it had maintained these positions against the ARBiH.

In fighting the HV/HVO, VRS units were faced for the first time with an opponent that not only matched but also exceeded their own firepower in armor and artillery while also outnumbering them in manpower. Finally, what tipped the balance, even when the offense/defense ratio favored the VRS, was the HV/HVO's elite shock infantry brigades. The VRS could defeat Croatian reserve units. The well-trained, doggedly persistent Guards were another matter.

The VRS generals, Mladic and Milovanovic, and the VRS Main Staff displayed to the end their prowess at engneering strategic shifts of their limited formations. The move of seven major formations from halfway across the country despite heavy damage to its command and control structure during the NATO air campaign was a triumph of the VRS Main Staff's professionalism and skill. The Serbs' rapid execution of major counterattacks also showed how powerful the VRS remained at the end of the 'war, particularly against the ARBiH. In his last campaign, however, the western Bosnia theater commander, General Milovanovic, appears to have made some initial errors in his force dispositions that cost the VRS dearly. His forces were split too evenly among the Donji Vakuf, Glamoc-Drvar, and Grabez sectors, rather than concentrated in what the VRS considered a vital sector.

Given that the HV was the main threat, he should have either concentrated more troops opposite the Glamoc- Drvar area sooner or sent in his reserves before the enemy breakthrough. The VRS Main Staff, too, either did not recognize how brittle the 2nd Krajina Corps had become or was unable to do anything about it; General Tomanic's command appears to have been through the wringer one too many times and collapsed fatally on the Grabez under yet another 5th Corps attack. In all, the VRS simply faced too many competing priorities throughout Bosnia so that the Main Staff could no longer focus its forces on one theater.

One of the most discussed hypothetical questions of the final campaign is whether the HV could have taken Banja Luka. The answer is a heavily qualified "probably," the main qualifier being timing. An HV dash for Banja Luka soon after the completion of "Maestral" probably would have got to the city quickly or forced the VRS to divert all of the reserves it was sending to Prijedor instead to Banja Luka, in which case the 5th Corps could have taken Prijedor. The same holds true for "Juzni Potez" in that, the more quickly the HV moved, the less time the VRS would have had to prepare. On the other hand, if the VRS had been given time to transfer more units after "Juzni Potez," Banja Luka most likely would have proved a difficult nut for even the HV to crack. In the immediate aftermath of Mrkonjic Grad's fall, the VRS had already shifted the veteran 16th Krajina Motorized Brigade-probably the best brigade in the VRS-to Manjaca.83S If the VRS believed an HV operation against Banja Luka was imminent, the Main Staff would most likely have transferred all available reserves to the Manjaca area, building up a force that could have numbered at least nine and maybe 11 brigades, including a full-armored brigade, with upward of 15,000 to 20,000) troops.836 The VRS troops would very likely have fought' even harder for Banja Luka than the SVK did at Knin, for they would not have been encircled. Such a large-scale movement of reserves, however, would have left the VRS vulnerable to attacks elsewhere, particularly around Doboj and-depending on whether the HV /HVO wanted it in the Posavina area opposite Orasje.


Ovo je genijalan odgovor

The VRS would have verly likely fought even harder for Banja Luka than the SVK did at Knin, for they would not have been encircled. 

Dakle BL ne bi pala za 24 sata kao Knin, nego 48.
I cijeli citat je pun takvih suptilnih prcanja.

Da je VBS sabila svoje elitne brigade u kanjon Vrbasa i na Manjaču, prvo bi ih artiljerija "malo" naravnala onako sve na okupu.
Onda bi HV ušetao u Prijedor (preko zelenih) i ušao sleđa u bl.

A spominju se i operacije koje su dečki iz Orašja htjeli raditi.
Preko Šamca do Odžaka, pa Brod i Derventu, sve do predgrađa Doboja...
A imaš i one mudžahedine na ozrenu.


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Ceha je i na tebe izvršio utjecaj sa njegovim nebulozama i prognozama. O "trokutićima Bosna Ukrina, Principovo i Kozlarevo"

Troler purgerski.


Zar Principovo i Kozlarevo nisu dobra imena?
Bolje da ste vi nego muslimani u njima.

A moraš shvatiti i da bi mi Francekovo.
Trebalo bi još srediti Kordićevo (Zenicu) i Praljkovo.
Samo ne znam koji bi ex-muslimanski grad mogao nositi to ime

Sve pet. Problem je tvoja pohlepa i što bi nas radio idiotima.

Vi ste u lošem braku sa nasilnikom, ali vam Srbi nisu "navodadžisali". Tko vam je smestio, tog mrzi.

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Pročitaj analizu Amerikanaca i NATO-a što je neko objavio. Sve je bilo pitanje vremena. Ako bi produžili Južni potez ne bi imali vremena se regrupirat i BL bi pala. Da smo stali, sačekali, vi bi se pregrupirali i vjerovatno ne bi pala, ali bi vam onda Prijedor bio nebranjen, isto kao Doboj i Posavina, nešta bi moralo past.

Kratko i jasno.


Da ste nastavili, umijesala bi se Srbija i vratili bi vas do Krajine.

Prijedor je dobro branjen. Srbi su skoro potukli Muslimane do Sanskog Mosta. Rodjak mi je govorio da su dosli do ulaza u grad koji je bio prazan. Cekala se artiljerijska podrska, pa da se vraca grad, al u tom je primirje doslo.

Gdin. Glasnovic smatra da bi bila ludost nastavljati operaciju.


Da, zato je HV povukao Južni potez.
Da ne biste potjerali musliće do Une.

Prijedor je možda bio dobro branjen za aBiH, "vojsku" bez artiljerije.
Ne za HV.


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Zar Principovo i Kozlarevo nisu dobra imena?
Bolje da ste vi nego muslimani u njima.

A moraš shvatiti i da bi mi Francekovo.
Trebalo bi još srediti Kordićevo (Zenicu) i Praljkovo.
Samo ne znam koji bi ex-muslimanski grad mogao nositi to ime


Praljkovo kao novo ime za kvart istocni Mostar.

To bi bilo ok.
Bolje Praljkovo nego IstoĆni.
Možda i koji kvart u Uskoplju i Bugojnu.


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