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Ti baš voliš stvari nepotrebno komplicirati.
Podsjeti me na škole u Jugoslaviji. I kako Jugoslavija ima najbolji geo-strateški položaj na čitavoj planeti.

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Za vreme Hladnog rata i jeste imala fin geostrateški položaj. Danas je beznačajan.

A Turska i tada i danas ima jedan od najboljih geostrateških položaja na svetu. Oćeš u Evropu, oćeš na Levant, oćeš u Zaliv, oćeš u Iran, oćeš na Kavkaz, oćeš u Crno more, oćeš iz Crnog mora... Fantastičan položaj, ne zajebavaj.


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Sve ce to jednom bit kurdsko-grcko ;)


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Turske dionice pale 40% od pocetka godine, gledajuci u dolarima.

Lijepo ako si strani investitor koji je ulozio npr. 500 milijuna dolara tamo. Danas si tezak 300 milijuna.

Danas lira ruknula 10-15% nakon Trumpove objave pravih ekonomskih mjera protiv Turske. Za Tursku posebne, duplo vece carine od onih koje ce placati EU. Tolike carine prakticki znace zabranu trgovine na te metale, trgovacku izolaciju metalne industrije Turske.

Jos se ceka Erdoganov odgovor. :zubati Zasada je samo rekao "oni imaju dolare, mi imamo Alaha" i nakon tog Tweeta je lira roknula 10%. :zubati


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I have just authorized a doubling of Tariffs on Steel and Aluminum with respect to Turkey as their currency, the Turkish Lira, slides rapidly downward against our very strong Dollar! Aluminum will now be 20% and Steel 50%. Our relations with Turkey are not good at this time!


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nek Aluminij Mostar kupi bezvrijedne tvornice aluminija u Turskoj i zatvori ih.


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Turci se zaduzili u dolarima. Da vidimo kako ce ih vracati.


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Trazi da drzavi daju dolare i zlato (zlatne zube?) i da ce im on dati lire.

Zar nisu vec pomogli prije, kada ih je prvi put pozvao da stede u lirama a ne eurima? Ako pretpostavimo da su ga "poslusali" (ko sto nisu), sto jos mogu uciniti? Nagovarati rodjake u Njemackoj da stede u lirama?


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Trump udara bez bombi i aviona. I to zestoko.

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Slijedece sto ce Erdogan uraditi je da ce uvesti kontrolu kapitala, ko Venezuela :D , s time da Turska nema naftu.


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Trump udara bez bombi i aviona. I to zestoko.


"Sila" Turska kojoj jednim Tweetom srusis valutu za 15%. Chvokanje.


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Za 14, ovaj 1% je zbog Alaha. :D


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Za 14, ovaj 1% je zbog Alaha. :D


Da. :D


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Evo novi turski vic...došao Turčin u pekaru, uzme pecivo i pita ga prodavač za novac, a Turčin na to: kakav novac, pa ja imam samo Alaha.


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Ne trebate se naslađivati. Ovo što radi USA je objava rata, i to treba jasno reći. Traje to skoro jedno stoljeće.
Danas Turska, jučer Rusija, sutra Croatia.

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Najsmiješnije u svemu ovome je što će Erdoganova sranja ispravljati njegov zet, ministar financija. Muslimani ne znaju bez tog obiteljskog cirkusa. Kao obitelj sultana Izetbegovića.

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I hate it came to this point, but President @realDonaldTrump really had no other choice.

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Nova turska valuta: Allah


1 Allah = 100 sihira


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Da bi se lako dobila slika u kakvim govnima je Turska dovoljan je ovaj primjer.

- Kineski gospodarstveni rast i stvaranje zaliha u nacionalnoj i stranoj valuti preko izvoza nije došlo dolaskom stranih kredita u zemlju.
- Turski gospodarstveni "uzlet" je skoro čitav baziran na stranim kreditima. Sad te kredite valja vraćati, a za samo godinu veći za 40%.

Nešto kao:

- Andrija vozi stariji Peugeot, i ima mali privredni obrt kojeg je otvorio od svog novca bez kredita. Obrt radi pozitivno i Andrija zarađuje novac.
- Stjepan, eh Stjepane crna ti majka, vozi novi Porsche. Kojeg je kupio od kredita preko Hypo banke. Stjepan razmišlja da proda Porsche, ali ga zet nagovara da to ne uradi jer će svijet misliti da je papak. Kako dani prolaze Porsche je sve jeftiniji i neće biti ni blizu dovoljno da vrati kredite.
Hypo banka je neki dan objavila oglas na OLX, preko agencije za nekretnine prodaju Stjepanovu kuću jer nije mogao otplaćivati kredit za Porsche.

Već, imam prjedlog za proroka Erdogana (PUB). Neka proda svoju palaču vrijednu $600 milijuna, i malo će pomoći propalom turskom gospodarstvu. Tako će i primjerom pokazati narodu da i oni državi "prodaju" svoje zlato i strane valute.

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Trenutacni rast GDP-a je jako varljiva kategorija. GDP je na neki nacin mjera kolicine radova i posla koje se urade u nekoj drzavi u godini dana. Ali raditi se moze i gluposti i uprazno, i te radove financirati posudjenim novcem.

Tako mozes dici kredit, i poceti privremeno zivjeti kao lord, i tvrditi "vidi kako zivim danas, a kako sam jucer! Zar ne vidis brzi pozitivan trend?!" :sega Eredogan inzistira upravo na takvom trendu. Dobro, nije 100%, ali turski gospodarski "rast" temeljio se velikim dijelom upravo na tome, a sto ce se vidjeti sada kada to dodje na naplatu. Zato u makroekonomiji postoji pojam "pregrijavanje ekonomije" , kao negativan pojam, vezan uz cikluse podizanja i spustanja kamatnih stopa od strane centralne banke, pojam je vezan uz preveliko poticanje kreditima bezveznih radova i "suvisne" ekonomske aktivnosti samo radi brojeva, a sto se financira posudnjivanjem.

Evo recimo Hrvatska da zeli mogla bi imati slijedece godine rast 7%, ako se zaduzi ko luda losim kreditima i pocne s velikim javnim radovima (pocne praviti mostove prema svim otocima, podzemnu u Zagrebu, skupe uredjaje za bolnice, prosirivati autoceste za jos dvije trake, praviti mrezu zeljeznica kroz Slavoniju, Kolindi palaca od 100 milijuna eura poput Erdoganove koja je kostala milijardu dolara). Sve to ce se reflektirati na GDP-u za tu godinu.

Slicno je i s privatnim bizniskom i kreditima njima. Neki biznisi su profitabilni samo u odredjenim okolonstima. Erdogan sada mijenja te okolnosti, a krediti koje treba vracati ostaju nepromijenjeni.

O strahu bankrota turskih firmi i drzave najbolje govori danasnji pad dionica na talijanskim i spanjolskim burzama: njihove banke su zadnjih 5 godina utrostrucile iznose kredita koje su dali Turcima.


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Ovako ti njima reci prika, jebi im mater.

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Najsmiješnije u svemu ovome je što će Erdoganova sranja ispravljati njegov zet, ministar financija. Muslimani ne znaju bez tog obiteljskog cirkusa. Kao obitelj sultana Izetbegovića.

Hmm: Kennedy -> Busch -> Trump. Sve muslimančina do muslimančine.

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Nije nama USA uzor i primjer kao vama muslimanima iz Bosne.

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Procurile malo nepoznatije informacije koje dobro oslikavaju situaciju. Opet islamska takija. Ali ovaj put će ta takija Erdogana preskupo koštati.
Trump i Erdogan su se dogovorili da će Trump pomoći i probati osloboditi jednu Turkinju iz izraelskog zatvora. Zauzvrat Erdogan obećao osloboditi US svećenika.

Turkinja već odavno doma u Turskoj....ja....ostatak vidite ovih dana. Erdoganu su ovakve pizdarije prolazile predugo godina.

Mada, nije ovo sve zbog svećenika. Traje ta nepodnošljivost već godinama, svećenik je samo trigger.

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Don’t blame Trump. The current crisis is the culmination of Erdoğan’s reckless stewardship.


By AYKAN ERDEMIR 8/11/18, 12:39 PM CET Updated 8/11/18, 1:02 PM CET

WASHINGTON — Turkey’s president Recep Tayyip Erdoğan came to power on the heels of the 2001 financial crisis that ended entire political careers. Following Friday’s meltdown in the Turkish economy, a day Turks are already hailing as “Black Friday,” many are left wondering whether Erdoğan will also fall from power.

The Turkish strongman, who has been engaged in a protracted diplomatic spat with the U.S. and various EU countries, now blames Turkey’s woes on an “economic war” waged by outside forces. But Turks are not buying it.

When it comes to Turkey’s economic woes, the government only has itself to blame.

Turkey’s economy has been overheating for some time. The global liquidity glut in the aftermath of the 2008 global financial crisis has allowed emerging markets such as Turkey to access cheap capital, leading to private sector overleveraging. Turkey’s non-financial companies have borrowed over $340 billion in foreign liabilities.

Now that the U.S. Federal Reserve is tapering its release of cheap money, emerging markets are feeling the dollar liquidity squeeze. Turkish companies are having difficulty servicing their foreign-currency debt. And with the Turkish lira losing 44 percent of its value against the dollar this year, many businesses are rushing to banks to restructure their loans. Indeed, the crisis is spilling over to the financial sector. So much so that the European Central Bank now warns of exposure of EU banks to Turkey, which exceeds $166 billion.

The Turkish economy may have reached the point of no return.

Faced with a looming economic crisis, Erdoğan over the past couple of years has chosen to use his expanded powers to punish his domestic enemies and challenge his Western allies instead of focusing on much-needed structural reform.

Since Turkey’s failed coup attempt in July 2016, Ankara has jailed lawmakers, journalists, academics, and civil servants. The Erdoğan government has seized assets worth $11 billion, too, to the concern of investors worldwide.

Meanwhile, Ankara has also jailed over 50 Western nationals, residents and employees on dubious political charges, as part of Erdoğan’s ill-contrived policy of “hostage diplomacy,” which is aimed at extracting concessions from Turkey’s Western allies. The tactic of using innocent detainees as bargaining chips — a policy borrowed from Tehran and Pyongyang’s playbooks — has not only tarnished Turkey’s global image, but also triggered the worst crisis between Washington and Ankara since the former’s 42-month-long military embargo between 1975 and 1978. Again, investors took note.

When Turkish authorities in 2016 detained Andrew Brunson, a North Carolina pastor who has served peacefully for over two decades in Turkey, no one could have guessed that his case could precipitate a diplomatic crisis or hasten Turkey’s economic meltdown. U.S. efforts to free Pastor Brunson — by all accounts an innocent man held on farcical charges of espionage, terrorism, and coup plotting — not only met stiff resistance from Erdoğan, but also triggered anti-American rhetoric from his top officials.

With the Turkish lira losing 44 percent of its value against the dollar this year, many businesses are rushing to banks to restructure their loans | Chris McGrath/Getty Images

With politicians on the other side of the Atlantic consumed by one of the most polarized periods in U.S. history, Erdoğan achieved the impossible: He succeeded in uniting Republicans and Democrats, as Congress and the White House introduced a barrage of punitive measures against Ankara. In addition to congressional bills aiming to block Turkey’s access to international financial institutions and purchase of F-35 stealth fighters, Trump sanctioned two Turkish ministers while also doubling tariffs against Turkish steel and aluminum.

And as the diplomatic spat stirred up even more turbulence in Turkish markets, Erdoğan chose to double down. He defied Washington’s pressure, saying “if they have their dollars, we have our Allah.” His son-in-law, the newly minted minister of treasury and finance, on Friday announced his long-anticipated “new economic plan” — an amateur slideshow that failed to assuage investor concerns and led to a further plunge in the Turkish currency. By the time he ended his one-hour talk, the lira lost almost 8 percent. Turkey closed the day with the biggest one-day devaluation since the 2001 crisis that brought Erdoğan to power.

The Turkish economy may have reached the point of no return. Even if Erdoğan takes a U-turn and releases American hostages in Turkish prisons, he can put neither bilateral relations with Washington nor the Turkish economy back on track. From helping Iran evade U.S. sanctions in a massive scheme that implicated some of his top officials to turning a blind eye to jihadists on Turkey’s border with Syria, Erdoğan has caused irreparable damage on Turkey’s reputation among investors, not to mention its diplomatic relations.

His threat to “start looking for new friends and allies” and his overtures to Russia signal a pivot away from the transatlantic alliance and its values, and will only serve to exacerbate Turkey’s diplomatic and economic woes.

Turkey’s toothless opposition fails to provide much hope

The current crisis is the culmination of Erdoğan’s reckless stewardship. Fixing it will take years — a task that will require new leadership and an entirely different mentality.

Turkey’s toothless opposition, however, fails to provide much hope. Without strong political forces to push him out, Erdoğan will almost certainly continue to dig himself and the Turkish economy into a deeper hole.

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Što Bakir, i ovi iz SDA, kažu za sve ovo ? Pa i Emir Suljagić, GS, oni polažu velike nade u Erdogana.
Prije nekoliko godina su na klislam forumu jako vjerovali da će im Erdogan i Turska pomoći pobijediti u sljedećem ratu. Otjerati ustaše, četnike, i tako to.
I kako im sad zvuči da je "Alija ostavio Bosnu u amanet Erdoganu". Alija je kritično krive poteze povlačio, čitav život.

Erdogan platio kolumnu u New York Times, da proba ispeglati situaciju. Dotakao se i korejskog rata, Kennedy-ja, i ostalih nebuloza koje više nikog ne zanimaju.

Inače o otimanju stranih državljanja, zatvaranju istih, i korištenje istih da se zapadne države prisile na ustupke.
Ovo se rijetko koristilo i u Srednjem Vijeku. I tad su ljudi imali više časti.

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Introduction:

At least two American citizens are currently sitting in Turkish prisons, where they have been held for the last two years. One is Andrew Brunson, a pastor from North Carolina who ministered to a small Protestant congregation in Turkey for over 20 years until his arrest by the authorities in the fall of 2016. The other is Serkan Golge, a Turkish-American physicist who worked for NASA’s Mars program until the Turkish police picked him up while on vacation in Turkey, also in 2016. Both men stand accused of plotting or partaking in a failed coup attempt that transpired that July against Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, who has ruled the country for 15 years – increasingly with an iron fist.

Turkish prosecutors charged both U.S. citizens with “membership in a terrorist organization.” Golge received a seven-and-a-half-year prison sentence in February 2018 for his involvement with the Fethullahist Terrorist Organization (FETO), a group Turkey designated and accused of planning the July 2016 putsch. The term “FETO” was first used in 2015 to refer to the followers of U.S.-based Turkish cleric Fethullah Gulen, Erdogan’s closest political ally between 2002 and 2013, who later turned into his sworn enemy following the Gulen network’s role in exposing and publicizing the massive corruption scandal that threatened Erdogan’s government in December 2013. Prosecutors have charged Brunson not only with membership in FETO, but also in a group that is one of Gulen’s archrivals, the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK), a Marxist Kurdish insurgency group seeking self-rule in Turkey.

Ankara sees both groups as top national security threats, and has repeatedly branded and jailed dissidents across the political spectrum by accusing them of membership in these organizations. The two Americans are among some 100,000 people detained in Turkey after Erdogan declared a “state of emergency” following the failed coup. Since then, the Turkish president has ruled the country by decree. By the end of the summer of 2016, 150,000 people were dismissed from their jobs. Blatantly targeting Turkey’s secular and liberal opposition alongside the supposed coup-suspects, the dismissals amounted to no less than a mass political purge.

Brunson and Golge were not the only foreign nationals ensnared in these purges. Not only did authorities begin to target Western human rights advocates – an attempt to intimidate Turkish dissidents who collaborate with foreign colleagues – but Turkey’s pro-government media also launched a slander campaign against Europeans and Americans, accusing them of supporting terrorism and conspiring coups to make them into targets for the mass crackdown. With Gulen’s residence in the United States and Washington’s partnership with Syrian Kurds fueling state-propagated anti-Americanism throughout Turkey, Americans came under particular scrutiny.

But other Western nationals experienced similar pressures. More than 30 Western nationals have been jailed in Turkey following the coup attempt, and at least nine remain in prison as of June 1, 2018.3 Under the state of emergency, they could be legally held up to seven years in pre-trial detention, with limited access to legal or consular support, and are not entitled to attorney-client privilege. Pastor Brunson, for one, has had no due process in his case, with authorities even withholding his indictment for 17 months – based on the testimony of secret witnesses – and keeping him in a maximum-security prison. His lawyer claims he has lost 50 pounds since his arrest.

Increasingly, another aspect of these mass arrests has emerged: Since last summer, American and European officials have on several occasions condemned Turkey’s “hostage diplomacy” – efforts by the Turkish government to make political bargaining chips out of Western prisoners arrested in Turkey since the coup.4 Following the arbitrary detention of Western nationals in Turkey, they argue, the government uses the prisoners as pawns to extract concessions in bilateral relations with the U.S. and EU countries. As one Freedom House analyst observed, “Turkey’s new foreign policy is hostage-taking.”5 Indeed, as President Erdogan turned increasingly autocratic at home, Turkey’s international reputation and relations with its traditional transatlantic partners have also frayed.

This hostage diplomacy is not only hurting Turkey’s global standing, but also propelling its transatlantic partners to consider sanctions against Ankara. Germany and the United States have issued several travel warnings to their citizens, advising against visiting Turkey. Business communities and investors across Europe fear Turkey’s repressive climate and lack of fundamental human rights and freedoms. Turkey’s relations with the Netherlands unraveled in March 2017, after a diplomatic row ahead of the Dutch elections. While the main reason for the breakdown was Erdogan’s incitement of Turkish immigrants in the Netherlands, the deportations and detentions of dozens of Dutch citizens in Turkey did not help.

The harshest denunciations of Ankara’s hostage diplomacy, however, have come from the United States Congress, where members have issued multiple calls for imposing sanctions against Turkish officials involved in the wrongful arrests of American citizens. The arrest of Brunson on dubious charges, in particular, has animated Washington, where Congress has held numerous panels and hearings on the pastor’s Kafkaesque case and the conditions of his confinement. Meanwhile, authorities have arrested at least three Turkish employees of U.S. consular missions in Turkey, prompting a visa crisis between the NATO allies in late October 2017. While the crisis was ostensibly resolved by December the same year, all three employees remain in prison or under house arrest.

The United States and various European Union countries have so far dealt with Erdogan’s hostage diplomacy at the bilateral level, using discreet talks with Ankara to plead for the release of their nationals and employees. The Turkish president has chosen to bargain with each country according to his calendar, using his hostages as leverage to gain concessions. The U.S. and the EU need a coherent, transatlantic strategy to counter Erdogan’s hostage diplomacy, not only to ensure the release of Western nationals in prison, but also to prevent other incidents in the future.

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