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Jel se može po tvome maloljetnica ( koja još nije imala menstruaciju) udati i rastati?
Scenario ostaje isti: Starkelja “oženi” curicu od 11 godina i rastane kad joj bude 16 godina



Ne moze jer nije punoljetna nije imala menstruaciju.

I nije pitala roditelje za dozvolu braka.

A u BiH ispod 16 se ne moze udati oo ovom zakonu.

Ajeti su davani ljudima koji su bukvalno zakopavali zensku djecu pa su postepeno objavom ublazavani, a da imaju veze sa tradicijom tih nakaradnih Arapa.
Nesto je Islam dokrajcii nesto do.kraja nije npr brak.izmedju stricevica rj amidzica koji nije u tradiciji Bosnjaka muslimana trebas pitati Afganistance za to moze li starkelja ili ne moze.


Onda se ti protiviš kuranu i tafsiru:

Brak i razvod za curice
Sura Razvod 65:4
A one žene vaše koje su nadu u mjesečno pranje izgubile i one koje ga nisu ni dobile, one trebaju čekati tri mjeseca,* ako niste znali. Trudne žene čekaju sve dok ne rode. - A onome ko se Allaha boji, On će sve što mu treba učiniti dostupnim.

Tafsir al Jalalayn 65:4 prevedeno:

A što se tiče onih vaših žena koje čitaju allā'ī ili allā'i u oba slučaja više ne očekuju menstruaciju ako sumnjate u njihovo razdoblje čekanja, propisani period čekanja bit će tri mjeseca, a također i za one koji još nisu imali menstruaciju zbog njihove mlade dobi njihovo će razdoblje također biti tri mjeseca - oba slučaja odnose se i na one koji nisu umrli; za ove potonje njihovo je razdoblje propisano u stihu, oni će sami čekati četiri mjeseca i deset dana Q. 2234. A oni koji su trudni, završetak propisanog razdoblja čekanja ako su razvedeni ili ako su im supružnici mrtvi, bit će kada isporučuju. A ko se boji Boga, olakšat će mu stvari na ovom i na onom svijetu.


Prije razvoda je brak, logično.
Kuran odobrava, tafsir potvrđuje brak i razvod za curice.

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Ne moze jer nije punoljetna nije imala menstruaciju.

I nije pitala roditelje za dozvolu braka.

A u BiH ispod 16 se ne moze udati oo ovom zakonu.

Ajeti su davani ljudima koji su bukvalno zakopavali zensku djecu pa su postepeno objavom ublazavani, a da imaju veze sa tradicijom tih nakaradnih Arapa.
Nesto je Islam dokrajcii nesto do.kraja nije npr brak.izmedju stricevica rj amidzica koji nije u tradiciji Bosnjaka muslimana trebas pitati Afganistance za to moze li starkelja ili ne moze.


Onda se ti protiviš kuranu i tafsiru:

Brak i razvod za curice
Sura Razvod 65:4
A one žene vaše koje su nadu u mjesečno pranje izgubile i one koje ga nisu ni dobile, one trebaju čekati tri mjeseca,* ako niste znali. Trudne žene čekaju sve dok ne rode. - A onome ko se Allaha boji, On će sve što mu treba učiniti dostupnim.

Tafsir al Jalalayn 65:4 prevedeno:

A što se tiče onih vaših žena koje čitaju allā'ī ili allā'i u oba slučaja više ne očekuju menstruaciju ako sumnjate u njihovo razdoblje čekanja, propisani period čekanja bit će tri mjeseca, a također i za one koji još nisu imali menstruaciju zbog njihove mlade dobi njihovo će razdoblje također biti tri mjeseca - oba slučaja odnose se i na one koji nisu umrli; za ove potonje njihovo je razdoblje propisano u stihu, oni će sami čekati četiri mjeseca i deset dana Q. 2234. A oni koji su trudni, završetak propisanog razdoblja čekanja ako su razvedeni ili ako su im supružnici mrtvi, bit će kada isporučuju. A ko se boji Boga, olakšat će mu stvari na ovom i na onom svijetu.


Prije razvoda je brak, logično.
Kuran odobrava, tafsir potvrđuje brak i razvod za curice.



Kojeg tefsira tj interpretacije Kur'ana? Naveo si tefsir nekakvog učenjaka Džalalejna.
Imaš više tefsira.
Jel to hoćeš da me proglasiš murtedom otpadnikom od Islama :sega oho vidi isil ideologije haridžija, zanimljivo :kava

Ako će ti biti lakše uzmi tefsir koji hoćeš za svoj argument od Taberija Ibn Kesira pa na dalje.

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“A one žene vaše, koje su nadu u mjesečno pranje izgubile – ako sumnjate vi, one trebaju čekati tri mjeseca, a i one koje ga nisu dobile! A vrijeme čekanja trudnih žena jeste da rode. A onome ko se Allaha boji, On će sve što mu treba učiniti dostupnim.”/4/ “To su, eto, Allahovi propisi, koje vam On objašnjava. A onome ko se bude Allaha bojao, On će preko ružnih postupaka njegovih prijeći i još mu veliku nagradu dati.”/5/
Allah, dž.š., objašnjava poslijebračni priček žene koja je u klimakterijumu, tj. one koja zbog starosti nema mjesečnog pranja, da joj priček traje tri mjeseca umjesto tri mjesečna pranja, koliko treba čekati ona koja ima menstrualno pranje, na što ukazuje ajet iz sure “El-Bekara”. Isti je slučaj sa malodobnom osobom koja još nije navršila godine nastupa menstrualnog ciklusa; i ona će, prema tome, poput one koja je u klimakterijumu, čekati tri mjeseca. Zato Allah, dž.š.: kaže “…i one koje ga nisu dobile”, “ako sumnjate vi”, tj. ako one nisu vidjele krv i vi sumnjate da imaju menstrualno pranje ili krvarenje slično menstrualnom pranju (istihazu), “one trebaju čekati tri mjeseca.” “A vrijeme čekanja trudnih žena jeste da rode.” Allah, dž.š., kazuje da one žene koje su bremenite, njihov priček prestaje samim rođenjem djeteta, bez obzira bilo to odmah nakon razvoda braka ili smrti muža. To je istovjetno mišljenje prvih i potonjih islamskih znanstvenika, jer i sam gornji ajet donosi tekst o tome, kao i vjerovjesnikovi hadisi. Imam Ahmed bilježi od El-Musevvira ibn Mahreme (460) da je umro muž Sebi’i el-Eslemijje dok je bila gravidna.

Prošlo je samo nekoliko noći kada se porodila; pa kada se oporavila od poslijeporođajnog čišćenja, zaručila se. Tražila je od Allahovog Poslanika, s.a.v.s., dozvolu da se uda. Allahov Poslanik, s.a.v.s., dozvolio joj je i ona se udala.” (El-Buhari, Muslim u svojim Sahihima, Ebu-Davud, En-Nesai, a Ibn-Madže bilježi u brojnim verzijama od Sebi’e.) Muslim ibn Hadždž bilježi od Ubejdullaha ibn Abdullaha ibn ‘Utbe (461) da je njegov otac pisao Omeru ibn Abdullahu ibn el-Erkamu es-Zuhriju, naređujući mu da ode do Sebi’e bint el-Haris el-Eslemijje i da je pita o njenom slučaju i o tome šta joj je rekao Allahov Poslanik, s.a.v.s., kada je od njega tražila šerijatskopravno rješenje. Omer ibn Abdullah mu je pisao, objašnjavajući ga, da mu je Sebi’a rekla da je bila u braku sa Sa'd ibn Havlom. Učestvovao je na Bedru, a umro je za vrijeme Oproštajnog hadža, kada je ona bila gravidna. Ubrzo je nakon njegova preseljenja rodila; pa kada se oporavila od poslijeporodiljskog čišćenja, uredila se za prosce.

Tada je došao kod nje Ebu es-Senabil ibn B’akek, rekavši joj: ’Šta je to, vidim da si se uredila? Ti se možda želiš udati, međutim, ti ćeš se, Allaha mi, udati tek kada prođe četiri mjeseca i deset dana.’ Sebi’a dalje pripovijeda: ’Kada mi je to rekao, i večer pala, obukla sam se i uputila se Allahovom Poslaniku, s.a.v.s. Pitala sam ga o tome, a on mi reče da sam slobodna kada se porodim i naredio mi je da se udam ako to želim. (Ovo je Muslimovo citiranje, a u sažetom obliku prenosi ga El-Buhari.) Primjenjivanje dužeg perioda od 4 mjeseca i deset dana koji se navodi u suri El-Bekara bilo je važeće prije objave ovog ajeta sa poslijebračnim pričekom trudnice. “A onome ko se Allaha boji On će sve što mu treba učiniti dostupnim”, tj. olakšat će mu ostvarenje toga i učiniti mu ga jednostavnim. Dat će mu brzo olakšanje i skoro rješenje. Potom Allah, dž.š., kaže: “To su, eto, Allahovi propisi, koje vam On objavljuje”, tj. Njegova presuda i zakon koji vam je objavio podsredstvom Svoga Poslanika, s.a.v.s. “A onome ko se bude Allaha bojao On će preko ružnih postupaka prijeći i još mu veliku nagradu dati”, tj. odstranit će od njega loša djela i obilno ga nagraditi i za neznatna djela.

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"“A one žene vaše, koje su nadu u mjesečno pranje izgubile – ako sumnjate vi, one trebaju čekati tri mjeseca, a i one koje ga nisu dobile! A vrijeme čekanja trudnih žena jeste da rode. A onome ko se Allaha boji, On će sve što mu treba učiniti dostupnim.”/4/ “To su, eto, Allahovi propisi, koje vam On objašnjava. A onome ko se bude Allaha bojao, On će preko ružnih postupaka njegovih prijeći i još mu veliku nagradu dati.”/5/
Allah, dž.š., objašnjava poslijebračni priček žene koja je u klimakterijumu, tj. one koja zbog starosti nema mjesečnog pranja, da joj priček traje tri mjeseca umjesto tri mjesečna pranja, koliko treba čekati ona koja ima menstrualno pranje, na što ukazuje ajet iz sure “El-Bekara”. Isti je slučaj sa malodobnom osobom koja još nije navršila godine nastupa menstrualnog ciklusa; i ona će, prema tome, poput one koja je u klimakterijumu, čekati tri mjeseca. Zato Allah, dž.š.: kaže “…i one koje ga nisu dobile”, “ako sumnjate vi”, tj. ako one nisu vidjele krv i vi sumnjate da imaju menstrualno pranje ili krvarenje slično menstrualnom pranju (istihazu), “one trebaju čekati tri mjeseca.” “A vrijeme čekanja trudnih žena jeste da rode.” Allah, dž.š., kazuje da one žene koje su bremenite, njihov priček prestaje samim rođenjem djeteta, bez obzira bilo to odmah nakon razvoda braka ili smrti muža. To je istovjetno mišljenje prvih i potonjih islamskih znanstvenika, jer i sam gornji ajet donosi tekst o tome, kao i vjerovjesnikovi hadisi. Imam Ahmed bilježi od El-Musevvira ibn Mahreme (460) da je umro muž Sebi’i el-Eslemijje dok je bila gravidna.

Prošlo je samo nekoliko noći kada se porodila; pa kada se oporavila od poslijeporođajnog čišćenja, zaručila se. Tražila je od Allahovog Poslanika, s.a.v.s., dozvolu da se uda. Allahov Poslanik, s.a.v.s., dozvolio joj je i ona se udala.” (El-Buhari, Muslim u svojim Sahihima, Ebu-Davud, En-Nesai, a Ibn-Madže bilježi u brojnim verzijama od Sebi’e.) Muslim ibn Hadždž bilježi od Ubejdullaha ibn Abdullaha ibn ‘Utbe (461) da je njegov otac pisao Omeru ibn Abdullahu ibn el-Erkamu es-Zuhriju, naređujući mu da ode do Sebi’e bint el-Haris el-Eslemijje i da je pita o njenom slučaju i o tome šta joj je rekao Allahov Poslanik, s.a.v.s., kada je od njega tražila šerijatskopravno rješenje. Omer ibn Abdullah mu je pisao, objašnjavajući ga, da mu je Sebi’a rekla da je bila u braku sa Sa'd ibn Havlom. Učestvovao je na Bedru, a umro je za vrijeme Oproštajnog hadža, kada je ona bila gravidna. Ubrzo je nakon njegova preseljenja rodila; pa kada se oporavila od poslijeporodiljskog čišćenja, uredila se za prosce.

Tada je došao kod nje Ebu es-Senabil ibn B’akek, rekavši joj: ’Šta je to, vidim da si se uredila? Ti se možda želiš udati, međutim, ti ćeš se, Allaha mi, udati tek kada prođe četiri mjeseca i deset dana.’ Sebi’a dalje pripovijeda: ’Kada mi je to rekao, i večer pala, obukla sam se i uputila se Allahovom Poslaniku, s.a.v.s. Pitala sam ga o tome, a on mi reče da sam slobodna kada se porodim i naredio mi je da se udam ako to želim. (Ovo je Muslimovo citiranje, a u sažetom obliku prenosi ga El-Buhari.) Primjenjivanje dužeg perioda od 4 mjeseca i deset dana koji se navodi u suri El-Bekara bilo je važeće prije objave ovog ajeta sa poslijebračnim pričekom trudnice. “A onome ko se Allaha boji On će sve što mu treba učiniti dostupnim”, tj. olakšat će mu ostvarenje toga i učiniti mu ga jednostavnim. Dat će mu brzo olakšanje i skoro rješenje. Potom Allah, dž.š., kaže: “To su, eto, Allahovi propisi, koje vam On objavljuje”, tj. Njegova presuda i zakon koji vam je objavio podsredstvom Svoga Poslanika, s.a.v.s. “A onome ko se bude Allaha bojao On će preko ružnih postupaka prijeći i još mu veliku nagradu dati”, tj. odstranit će od njega loša djela i obilno ga nagraditi i za neznatna djela."

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“A one žene vaše, koje su nadu u mjesečno pranje izgubile – ako sumnjate vi, one trebaju čekati tri mjeseca, ... Isti je slučaj sa malodobnom osobom koja još nije navršila godine nastupa menstrualnog ciklusa; i ona će, prema tome, poput one koja je u klimakterijumu, čekati tri mjeseca.


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...Isti je slučaj sa malodobnom osobom koja još nije navršila godine nastupa menstrualnog ciklusa; i ona će, prema tome, poput one koja je u klimakterijumu, čekati tri mjeseca....


Jel ti uopce citas sto postavljas? =))

Ibn Kathir i at Tabari potvrduju moju tvrdnju da se maloljetnice mogu vjencati i rastati. (u oba je isti tekst :wink)

Da vidimo sto kaze Ibn Abbas, Muhamedov rodak. Ibn Kathir (1373) i at-Tabari (923) su ipak daleko poslje Muhameda zivili.

Ibn Abbas 65:4
(And for such of your women as despair of menstruation) because of old age, (if ye doubt) about their waiting period, (their period (of waiting) shall be three months) upon which another man asked: “O Messenger of Allah! What about the waiting period of those who do not have menstruation because they are too young?” (along with those who have it not) because of young age, their waiting period is three months. Another man asked: “what is the waiting period for those women who are pregnant?” (And for those with child) i.e. those who are pregnant, (their period) their waiting period (shall be till they bring forth their burden) their child. (And whosoever keepeth his duty to Allah) and whoever fears Allah regarding what he commands him, (He maketh his course easy for him) He makes his matter easy; and it is also said this means: He will help him to worship Him well.

Cak i Ibn Abbas potvduje da se curice mogu vjencati i rastati.

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Pise ti lijepo moze se vjencati ako zeli, ako ne znas na bosanskom citaj na srpskohrvatskom boldovao sam ti crvenim.I zato sam i rekao da odlučuju roditelji jer po Islamu nije punoljetna. Ako ne želi se udati neće se udati i to je to.
Nije onako kako ti zelis da predstavis, cak ako se uda nece konzumirati brak, ali ako zeli, posto je maloljetna nema menstruacije ne moze po Šerijatu odlučivati to odlučuju roditelji, dakle ne može se udati takva.

Kako će donijeti odluku ako je dužna slušati roditelje?

Ako roditelji kažu da ne može onda ne može i ako ne želi.


Ne mogu je zabranjeno je silom da je vjencaju pise ti u hadisu.

Nema veze kad je koji zivio ne mozes uzeti jedan tefsir i staviti veto na njega, jer to nije tako, interpretacija ima vise.
Izvadio si ajet iz konteksta ignorisuci ostala pravila maloljetnosti i punoljetnosti u Islamu, kao duznosti djece prema roditeljima , lukavo.


Marriage without guardian’s permission?
It is not permissible for a man to marry a woman without the consent of her legal guardian, such as her father or brother; either she has or has not previously married.


This is the view of the majority of scholars, including Malik, Ash-Shafi`i and Imam Ahmad. They based their view on report of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him); “There is no marriage except with a guardian.” (Abu Dawud and Ibn Majah)

According to the Hadith of Aishah, “And the ruler is the guardian of the one who does not have a guardian.” (At-Tirmidhi, Abu Dawud, and Ibn Majah)

They further based their view on the hadith: “Any woman who gets married without the permission of her gurdian, her marriage is invalid, her marriage is invalid, her marriage is invalid. If her husband has consummated the marriage, then the dowry belongs to her in return for that. If she does not have a guardian then the (Muslim) ruler is the guardian of anyone who does not have a wali.” (At-Tirmidhi, Abu Dawud and Ibn Majah)

Guardian and refusing marriage’s choice
In case a guardian prevents a girl from marrying her suitable and qualified match without having a valid and legal reason, guardianship passes immediately to someone who is fit to be a guardian such as the brother or the uncle.

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Punoljetnost u Islamu?
Dobra ti ta fora.

Što zna dijete što je brak? Ništa.
Ako roditelji odobre ( ima prilika koliko hoćeš, kao i Ajša) curica ode, a zagondžija se može rastati kad kaže tri puta talak ( razvod) i čeka tri mjeseca jer tako piše u kuranu i tafsirima.

Ja nisam nikakav veto stavio na tafsir nego ti koji si al-Jalalayna odbio.
Tafsiri ibn Abbasa, al-Jalalayna i jedan od tvojih ( duplirao si) potvrđuju razvod maloljetnih curica.

Islam odobrava razvod i brak maloljetnih curica. Pametnome dosta.

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Islam odobrava razvod i brak maloljetnih curica. Pametnome dosta.

Tacno.
Cekaju 3 mjeseca da budu sigurni da nije trudna.
Znaci, prethodni muz je bio pedofil i taslacio dijete, a onda kad prelazi slijedecem potrebno je pricekati 3 mjeseca da slucajno prethodni nije napravio dijete.


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Check kontrola u Bangladešu. Starija slika ali ništa se promijenilo nije. Ako nisi obrezan ide metak u glavu.

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Malo novijeg vremena, 2003.

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Mohammad and Safia
BY AYESHA AHMED ·

The Prophet and his jihadis offered fajar prayers in early morning darkness outside of Khaybar. Then they attacked the villagers who were just leaving their homes to work in the fields carrying spades and other farming tools.

BLOODSHED AFTER FAJAR PRAYER

Bukharee, Volume 5, Book 59, Number 510:

Narrated Anas bin Malik: We reached Khaibar early in the morning and the inhabitants of Khaibar came out carrying their spades, and when they saw the Prophet they said, “Muhammad! By Allah! Muhammad and his army!” The Prophet said, “Allahu-Akbar! Khaibar is destroyed”

KINANA BEHEADED

Kinana, the injured chief of Khaybar was brought to the prophet.
Mohammed: Kinana, where did you hide the treasure?
Kinana: Treasure? We don’t have any? We are farmers not bandits like you…
Mohammed: Mind your language Kinana, you are talking to a prophet of God..
Kinana: Prophet of God my ass. You are a killer and a rapist….
Mohammed: Zubayr get him away from me and cut off his tongue.

Ishaq:595 “The Apostle said, ‘Get him away from me and cut off his tongue
Zubayr: Rasulullah , .. if we cut off his tongue how will we make him talk..
Mohammed: OK, then torture him and make him talk.

Zubayr collected some dry wood and lighted a fire on Kinana’s chest and moved it around with a rod to give him maximum pain. . Kinana was already badly injured and bleeding. He passed out without talking.

Mohammed: The bastard passed out… Maslamah cut off his head.

Tabari VIII:122/Ishaq:515 “The Prophet gave orders concerning Kinanah to Zubayr, saying, ‘Torture him until you root out and extract what he has. So Zubayr kindled a fire on Kinanah’s chest, twirling it with his firestick until Kinanah was near death. Then the Messenger gave him to Maslamah, who beheaded him.”

ROUNDING UP THE CATURED WOMEN

The most exciting part of a jihad for jihadis was distribution of captured women. First Prophet picked his 20% cut, mostly very young and pretty ones, then one by one names of jihadis were drawn by a lottery and captured women were distributed among them.

All the mujahids started rounding up Khaybar women and bringing them to the holding compound… Bilal entered the Kinana household and grabbed his lovely 17 year old wife Safia and her two younger cousins who were hardly 9 and 10 year old. They were brought to the prophet. On the way they saw the dead bodies of their murdered family members and the headless body of Kinana.
Mohammed was drinking grape wine (it was before prohibition) with Ali, Usman, Omar, Zubayr and Dihya near the decapitated body of Kinana which was lying in a pool of blood . (Grape wine was rare and expensive and only the top brass indulged in it. Common jihadis drank date wine.

Bukharee Volume 7, Book 69, Number 486:
Narrated Anas:

” Before alcoholic drinks were prohibited, we could rarely find wine made from grapes in Medina, for most of our liquors were made from unripe and ripe dates.

Safia went berserk when she saw Prophet celebrating with buddies near her husband’s decapitated body. She attacked him cursing loudly. .
Prophet’s drinking utensil slipped from his hand spilling his favourite wine.

SAFIA GIVEN TO DIHYA

Mohammed: See what you did *****, cant you see I am drinking? Dihya control this She-devil and take her away

Dihya: What do you want me to do with her Rasulullah?

Mohammed: Take her to your tent and enjoy her. She is all yours..

Dihya: Shukran Rasulullah Shukran.
Dihya took the beautiful and shapely teenager to his tent. Safia fought hard and resisted as she was disrobed to be violated. . Soon a crowd gathered to see the commotion in Dihya’s tent. They were awestruck with Safia’s figure and beauty. . Several jihadis ran to the Prophet and praised Safia’s form in front of him.

Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3329:

Anas, (Allah be pleased with him) reported: Safiyya (Allah be pleased with her) fell to the lot of Dihya in the spoils of war, and they praised her in the presence of Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) and said: We have not seen the like of her among the captives of war.

Prophet’s 30 man libido kicked in and instantly aroused him .

Mohammed: Ali go right away and retrieve Safia from Dihya.
Ali went right away and found Dihya still trying to subdue Safia. He ordered him to leave her alone, but Dihya ignored the command… Ali then kicked Dihya’s bare bottom with such a violent force with his iron toed sandal that Dihya defecated blood and collapsed over Safia. Ali retrieved Safia and brought her to the prophet. Limping and protesting Dihya also followed them… .
Mohammed threw his robe over Safia to claim her. But Dihya was not prepared to give in.

Bukharee volume 5, Book 59, Number 512:
Safiya was amongst the captives, She first came in the share of Dahya Alkali but later on she belonged to the Prophet

DIHYA OFFERED TWO FOR ONE DEAL

Dihya: Rasulullah, that is not fair at all. You had given Safia to me.

Mohammed: “I changed my mind. I will give you two of Safia’s young cousins in her place. You will love them, they are both very young and virgins. You can have a great three-some tonight”.

Muslim Book 008, Number 3329:
“He was given two young cousins of Safia in lieu of Safia by the prophet”.

Dihya: “Rasulullah I don’t enjoy little girls….You can keep them, just return Safia to me
Mohammed: “Dihya don’t be a pest. I will sweeten the pot and throw in five young men .You can have double pleasure tonight, two girls and five men.”..
Dihya: “I don’t do men either, please kindly return my Safia”.
Mohammed: Okay what if I offered five camels instead of men and the two girls, seven heads in all”.
Dihya: Rasulullah I have enough camels from the last jihad. I just need Safia”
Now the Prophet got really ticked off.
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Mohammed: “Dihya, you stubborn mule, just take what I offered before I change my mind and have your private parts removed instead”
Dihya knew the prophet meant what he said. He took the two young girls and five camels and left in a hurry..

Sahih Muslim, Bk 8 No 3328
“Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) got her (Safia) in exchange of seven heads”.

PROPHET RAPES SAFIA

Mohammed then hurried to his tent with Safia. There were three girls already in the Prophet’s tent with whom he had a foursome the previous night. Mohammed called out Ali Usman and Umar.
Mohammed: Ali take Raytah, Usman you take Zainab, Umar you like little girls so take this little girl, she is hardly five…

The History of Tabari, vol 8, pge 29-30
From his share of captive women, prophet gave his son-in-law, Ali a slave girl, Raytah bt Hilal to enjoy her at his will. He also presented Uthman b. Affan, his son-in-law, another slave girl Zainab b. Hayan, and bestowed another girl (name unknown) to his father in-law Omar Ibn Khattab. Omar gave that girl to his son Abdullah.

Safia: Mohammed how can you be so cruel, you made those girls orphans killing their parents, then raped them all night and the next day you passed them on to other men.
Mohammed: Aya 4.20 gives all muslim men that privaledge of changing their women at will..
Safia: And that five year old girl you gave to Umar, how could you have intercourse with her.
Mohammed: Who said I had intercourse with her. I only thighed her. It is my rule never to have sex with girls below the age of 8.

ISLAMIC SUNNA OF THIGHING
By Grand Muft Abu Abdullah Muhammad Al-Shemary, the grand scholar of the Fatwa committee, reference number 1809, 3/8/1421 .

“She was six years of age and he could not have intercourse with her due to her small age. That is why [the prophet] peace and prayer of Allah be upon him placed HIS [MALE] MEMBER BETWEEN HER THIGHS AND MASSAGED IT SOFTLY”
When Mohammed made advances towards Safia, she resisted . How could she submit to a man who had had killed her near and dear ones just a few hours back.
Mohammed: What is your problem Safia.
Safia: Mohammed I don’t like those who kill innocent men and rape their women.
Mohammed: What are you talking about, it was not us, but Allah who killed them by our hands. Here is the aya:

008.017
YUSUFALI: It is not ye who slew them; it was Allah.
Besides kafir are never innocents, they are fair games for us,
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RF ... re=related

Once we kill them we are allowed sex with their wives and daughters according to Ayas 4.3,4.24,23.6,33.50 and 70.30. So stop this nonsense and let me have you. I don’t have time to waste. If you resist I will give you back to Dihya and bring in other girls.

Safia realized resistance was futile. She will be raped any ways, either by the prophet or another jihadi. At least the Prophet had a regular supply of slave girls from his 20% cut of booty and many resident wives. She will be hit less for sex less often . With a regular jihadi she will be raped day and night then sold in a slave market to the highest bidder. She gave up the fight and laid motionless while the prophet got his jollies.

In the middle of the night the Prophet noticed a man peeping through a hole in the tent and watching the action. The Prophet grabbed his arrow head and poked the eye of the offender stealthily putting his eye out.

Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 83, Number 38a:
Narrated Anas: A man peeped into the dwelling place (tent) of the Prophet. The Prophet got up and aimed a sharp-edged arrow head at him to poke him stealthily.

After a few hours of sleep and taajjud prayers, the prophet approached Safia again for more action when he heard some movement near his tent. He figured the Peeping Tom was back for seconds. This time the Prophet was so pissed off he decided to go out and cut off the manhood of the stub-born peeping Tom.. .

Ibn Hisham ,Page 766
“Safiyah was captured in the Khaibar raid and was claimed by the apostle as his share of booty.. She was then seventeen. In the early dawn, the Prophet suspected some movement near the tent. It was Abu Ayyub (apparently the earlier peeping Tom was some one eles) He asked him what he was doing near his tent (Abu Ayyub had not gotten any captured woman in this raid, so apparently he was getting his jollies by checking out action in other tents).He replied: “I was afraid for you with this young lady. You had killed her father, her husband and many of her relatives, and till recently she was an unbeliever. I was really afraid for you on her account and was guarding you” (he didn’t have to keep an eye on them to guard them). The Prophet (either Mo bought the lie or felt pity for the horny man who had put his life on line in the raid yet was without a captured woman and spent the night looking around) prayed for Abu Ayyub al-Ansari.

Sixty something Prophet had a gala time with the grieving teenage widow that night. Next day he covered her in a burqa and proclaimed her as one of his wives.

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Ekvivalent svega u islamu bi bio odprilike kao da zapadni svijet prati primjer Charles Manson-a i ponavlja što je on radio i govorio. Ne treba puno mašte da se zamisli kako bi to izgledalo, zar ne ?

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Equality under the law has no meaning in Islam, especially for women, thereby making the plight of rape victims even heavier.

Just one example of the dreadful way of treating women in Islam is a case of a Saudi woman who was gang-raped in 2018. The Islamic court convicted the woman to a prison term and lashes for having committed the “sin” of riding in a car with a male who was not her relative. This is a standard form of sharia justice—a savage heritage of barbarism that ruled the Arabian Peninsula some centuries ago and still persists.

While the raping of a woman is a crime in all countries, sharia courts in Islamic states, such as Saudi Arabia, Iraq, and Libya, allow a rapist to escape punishment by marrying his victim. In other instances, the victim who asks for justice is often prosecuted with the crime of zina (adultery). This is because since the sharia does not allow forensic evidence to be used, such as DNA; rape can only be proven if the rapist admits to the crime or if there are four male witnesses who corroborate the woman’s testimony.

The Quranic position of four witnesses stems from Sahih al-Bukhari, Book 59, hadith 462, when the Prophet’s favorite wife, Aisha, “was accused of cheating [on her polygamous husband]. Three witnesses corroborated the event, but Muhammad apparently did not want to believe it, and so established the arbitrary rule that four witnesses are required.

If the rape is not proven, as it often appears to be the case, the woman’s complaint then becomes a confession of adultery, for which she can be flogged or stoned. The male aggressor remains unpunished, since he never admitted to a sexual act.

Justification of Rape
Disgusting as this may sound, according to Michael Hess, vice president of the Sweden Democrats in Karlskrona in southern Sweden, rape is “rooted in Islam.” Rape by Muslims is so prevalent that Sweden, and for that manner in other European countries, have forbidden the police to collect any data in the investigation that would point to Islam.

It is true that many Islamic scholars hold that rape is a crime and the perpetrators are to be punished. At the same time, there is a religious justification for this crime:

The believers must (eventually) win through, those who humble themselves in their prayers; who avoid vain talk; who are active in deeds of charity; they guard their private parts [abstaining from sexual relations], except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess, for (in their case) they are free from blame. —Sura 23, 1–6

Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: “The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: ‘If a man calls his wife to his bed and she refuses [and does not come], and he spends the night angry with her, the angels will curse her until morning.’” —Sahih Bukhaari, 4794 Interesting how the woman has no recourse!
“O Allah’s Apostle! We get female captives as our share of booty, and we are interested in their prices, what is your opinion about coitus interruptus?” The Prophet said: “Do you really do that? It is better for you not to do it. No soul that which Allah has destined to exist, but will surely come into existence.” —Sahih al-Bukhari 34, 432

“We went out with Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) on the expedition to the Bi’l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing ‘azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid-conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah’s Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him), and he said: It does not matter.” —Sahih Muslim, 3371

It was narrated from Anas, that the Messenger of Allah had a female slave with whom he had intercourse, but ‘Aishah and Hafsah would not leave him alone until he said that she was forbidden for him. Then Allah, the Mighty and Sublime, revealed: “O Prophet! Why do you forbid (for yourself) that which Allah has allowed to you.” —Sunan an-Nasa’i Book 4:36, 3411
The Prophet Muhammad, while not divine, the exemplar to be imitated by Muslims:

“By Allah, whenever Allah’s Messenger spitted, the spittle would fall in the hand of one of them (i.e., the Prophet’s companions) who would rub it on his face and skin; if he ordered them, they would carry out his orders immediately; if he performed ablution, they would struggle to take the remaining water…” —Sahih Bukhari, 2731-2732

Scenes of Muhammad’s companions, and indeed Muhammad himself, engaging in sexual activity with slaves and captives are common throughout hadith literature. This would therefore make the justification of rape more prevalent since Muhammad himself, according to he hadiths, had the blessings of Allah to do so.

As explained by Amil Imani:

“In Islamic culture, women are treated as chattel. Young girls are subjected to barbaric genital mutilation to make them sex slaves and birth channels without the ability to enjoy intercourse. Minors are subject to execution, adulterers are stoned to death, a faithful follower of Allah can have as many as four permanent wives—and replace any of them at any time he wants.”

Rape, as we know, is not limited to the Islamic culture; it is unfortunately ubiquitous. Yet at least in Western culture, it is supposed to be punished, not justified as in many Islamic countries. Yet as in the aforementioned case of “Sarah,” because of political correctness, Muslim rapists tend to get off with a slap on the wrist, if that!

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Amnestija za nemoral i kriminal, sve dok slušaš mukija, pardon "allaha".

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Nije Muki bio genocidan, ne.
A dobro, nešto zaklao i rezao glave, ostalo u strahu pobjeglo. Nije im dao kamele, autobuse, kao Ratko Mladić ovima u Podrinju.

Muhammad said: “I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim.” (Sahih Muslim 4366)

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In an attempt to polish Islam’s image, Muslim activists usually quote verses from the Quran that were written in the early days of the Islamic movement while Mohammed lived in Mecca. Those passages make Islam appear loving and harmless because they call for love, peace and patience. Such is a deception. The activists fail to tell gullible people that such verses, though still in the Quran, were nullified, abrogated, rendered void by later passages that incite killing, decapitations, maiming, terrorism and religious intolerance. The latter verses were penned while Mohammed’s headquarters was based in Medina.

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The Prophet of Allah says: "Whoever wants to see Satan should look at Nabtal." He was a strong black slave with long hair, swollen eyes and dark rough cheeks

Sahih Muslim 5: 2334
The Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “One of the most disgusting of Allaah's creations is a black man (Khwariz). One of his hands is like a goat's tooth or a nipple.

Sahih Bukhari 1: 11: 664
The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said to the black Abu Dharr: "Listen and obey, even if your chief is an Ethiopian with a head like raisins."

Ishaq: 450
The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "We gathered them there, black slaves, short men."

Al-Tabari, Vol. 2, p. 11, p. 11
he Prophet prayed that the color of the Africans would change and that their subsequent generations would become slaves to the Arabs and Turks.

Ishaq: 374
When Muhammad went to plunder the black tribes of Makkah, the blacks and their warriors cried out, and the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said to Allaah:

Sahih Bukhari 9: 87: 161
The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, "Dreaming of black women is a sign of disease."

Ishaq: 243
Muhammad says, 'A black man with long hair and rough cheeks and two eyes as swollen as copper vessels comes to sit with you. His heart is bigger than a donkey;

Ibn Musa al-Yasubi, Qadi 'Iyad, p.375
Ahmad ibn Abi Sulaiman, Sahan's companion, said, "Anyone who says that the Prophet is black should be killed."

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Narrated 'Abdullah:
We used to participate in the holy battles led by Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) and we had nothing (no wives) with us. So we said, "Shall we get ourselves castrated?" He forbade us that and then allowed us to marry women with a temporary contract (2) and recited to us: -- 'O you who believe ! Make not unlawful the good things which Allah has made lawful for you, but commit no transgression.' (5.87)

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Sasvim “slučajno” pred Kurban bajram nam se plasiraju ovakve poruke s bilborda! Ovo je latentni napad na osjećaje muslimana, koji bi sada trebali da osjećaju stid zbog toga što će žrtvovati svoje kurbane (“anonimne majke ovce”), a što zapravo izvršavaju propis svoje vjere. Po učenje naše vjere te nam je životinje Uzvišeni Bog potčinio i učinio našom hranom i obrednim životinjama. Meso je vezano za našu vjeru, preko kurbana, kao što je hljeb za neke druge religije. Zato, molit ćemo, iskažite poštovanje prema osjećajima muslimana!

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Povod je naravno islam i da muhammad nije volio pse. I on je zapovijedio da ih ubijaju jer se jedan pas popišao na zid džamije.

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24. 07. 2021. u 14:20

DRŽAVLJANIN Švedske Nermin O. uhapšen je zbog ubistva psa u banjalučkom naselju Lazarevo.
Osumnjičeni je uhapšen sinoć i nalazi se na kriminalističkoj obradi, objavili su tamošnji mediji.

Udruženje za zaštitu životinja "Kerber" saopštilo je juče, objavljujući fotografije ubijenog psa, da je pas ubijen bez ikakvog razloga na ulici u banjalučkom naselju Budžak.

- Vlasnička kuja ubijena je iz pištolja - naveli su na Fejsbuk stranici iz Udruženja Kerber.
"Kerber" je takođe naveo da se ubijena kuja nedavno oštenila i sada su štenci ostali bez mame.

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Povod je naravno islam i da muhammad nije volio pse. I on je zapovijedio da ih ubijaju jer se jedan pas popišao na zid džamije.

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24. 07. 2021. u 14:20

DRŽAVLJANIN Švedske Nermin O. uhapšen je zbog ubistva psa u banjalučkom naselju Lazarevo.
Osumnjičeni je uhapšen sinoć i nalazi se na kriminalističkoj obradi, objavili su tamošnji mediji.

Udruženje za zaštitu životinja "Kerber" saopštilo je juče, objavljujući fotografije ubijenog psa, da je pas ubijen bez ikakvog razloga na ulici u banjalučkom naselju Budžak.

- Vlasnička kuja ubijena je iz pištolja - naveli su na Fejsbuk stranici iz Udruženja Kerber.
"Kerber" je takođe naveo da se ubijena kuja nedavno oštenila i sada su štenci ostali bez mame.

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Za muslimane iz Bosne rat nikad nije prestao. Kako je Alija lijepo rekao vodit će ga drugim sredstvima.
U islamu postoji "kuća rata" i "kuća mira". Varta je "kuća rata" i svaki nemoral prema kafirima je halal i dozvoljen, i poželjan.

Pazi vijesti, kao iz crne 1996. godine odmah iza rata.

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ZAVIDOVIĆI- Provaljeno je u tri povratničke kuće u naselju Stog u federalnoj opštini Zavidovići i ukradena je bijela tehnika, alat i drugi predmeti, a na objektima pričinjena značajna materijalna šteta.

Jedan od oštećenih Mirko Blašković rekao je Srni da je pored njegove i kuće pokojnog oca provaljeno i u kuću porodice Lukić.

Blašković je istakao da je šteta ogromna jer su, između ostalog, ukradeni frižideri, bijela tehnika, sitni i krupni alat, a u unutrašnjosti kuće i pomoćnih objekata pričinjena znatna oštećenja.
On je naveo da su provalnici koristili sjekire i druge podesne predmete s obzirom da je kuću zaštitio blindiranim vratima, kao i prozore u prizemlju, ali da je sve to očito neuspješno.

Provale je, kako je naveo, izvršilo više lica, najvjerovatnije, sinoć, a policija je danas obavila uviđaj.
Kako je dodao, provalnici su bili prilično "sigurni u sebe" s obzirom na to da se kuće nalaze neposredno pored puta.

Blašković je rekao da je ovo "kap koja je prelila čašu" i da sve manje vjeruje u bezbjednost lične imovine, uprkos neubjedljivim obećanjima i uvjeravanjima policije da preduzimaju sve da se spriječe ovakve situacije.
Predsjednik Zavičajnog udruženja Zavidovićani sa sjedištem u Doboju Zoran Blagojević osudio je ovo što se dogodilo u Stogu i izrazio žaljenje zbog konstantnih napada na srpsku povratničku imovinu.

Prema njegovim riječima, ovo udruženje je u prethodnom periodu organizovalo niz sastanaka sa predstavnicima lokalne vlasti u Zavidovićima i policijskim strukturama kako bi se zaštitila povratnička imovina i povećala prisutnost policije, ali je očito da nema rezultata.

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Zahtijevamo zakon zabrane negiranja muhammadovih zločina. Napravio ih je 1000 puta više nego Ratko Mladić.

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Fra Filip Grabovac (1697.-1749.), o Muhamedu :001_unsure


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Po ovome ispada je Muhamedova majka bila Židovka. Koliko je ima istine u ovome tekstu? Danas postoji teorija da to što je Muhamed pokupio za svoju religiju nije od mainstream kršćanstva već od otpadničke sekte nestorijanaca koji su tada skrivali od Rimljana među Arape.


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jeste stavljali ovo već:





Naravno, mnogo grešaka... ali i ovako umanjeno (za Fra, GB, Ger itd) je neugodno za gledati...

Po ovome ispada da je 110000 muslimana živjelo u Njemačkoj 1922. godine. Sumnjam u tu brojku.


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