Si čuo nekad da batina ima dva kraja? A tu mrkvu si možeš...

Ima dva kraja, ali vi nemate ni jedan. Ovdje se radi o odnosu Crkve s milijardu i pol pripadnike i jedne sa 7 milijuna.

Ako vam mrkva ne bude dobra, ide batina.

Tako da je sve jednostavno, ili će se u skorom vremenu SPC početi udaljavati od Moskve, ili blaženik postaje svetac....

Zašto od Moskve, Vatikan želi i Moskvu.

I s Moskvom se igra ista igra. Moskva trentuno odbija ekumensko približavnaje, pa se trentuni igra igra razbijanja pravoslavlja na one sklone ekumenizmu i ine nesklone.

Srbi su s Rusima trenutno u drugoj ekipi. Sada ih se mrkvom vabi da se udalje, ako neće mrkva ići će batina.

Ako se pak nešto u RPC promijeni, onda će SPC postati nebitni skroz.

Čudo je kako srbi, tj SPC koja je srbima sve, toliko laju na Stepinca, a ladno su svetima proglašavali koljače.
Licemjerje, malo je reći

De banirajte ovog fasistu sa foruma.

Ma pusti, bolestan mali jadnik

Da, inače toga nema na istoku: https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-mosco ... 23049.html

Pa vama je vaš Rim pod Turcima već 550 godina.

Još im ne nude žene za mir i da ih ne diraju

Papa Franjo je naivčina i budala, ako misli da će ekumena sa pravoslavljem, posebice sa SPC uspjeti. Bilo bi mu bolje da se usredotoči da spriječi propadanje katoličanstva, odnosno uspon protestantizma u Južnoj Americi. Zato je i uostalom kao južnoamerikanac izabran za papu.

Ako je to svrha, onda su krviog birali, jer lokalni kler u J. Americi je najzaslužij i za uspon protestantizma i ateizma.

Ta njihova hipi crkva nikoga ne zanima. Oni kojima je do vjere odu u protestante (točnije evangelicals, nisu to klasični protestanti), a oni koje ne zanima vjera, neće ni u hipi crkvu ko ni u bilo koju drugu.

Open Letter To Pope Francis On Canonisation Of Croatia’s Blessed Alojzije Stepinac

25 September 2020



Dear Pope Francis, Servant of the Servants of God,

It is with a heavy heart that I must write to Your Holiness that your ongoing pursuit of dialogue regarding the canonisation of Blessed Alojzije Stepinac with the Serbian Orthodox Church and former communists of former Yugoslavia is causing moral chaos within the Croatian congregation of the Roman Catholic Church and wider.

From Australia, I learn from various media sources across the world that you have placed the canonisation of Blessed Alojzije Stepinac on hold because, according to Cardinal Pietro Parolin, Holy See State Secretary, your trusted and close associate who visited Croatia last week, you claim that “the canonisation of Cardinal Alojzije Stepinac must be a moment of togetherness for the entire Church, and not a reason for conflict or opposition…”. Furthermore, Cardinal Parolin said that in the matter of Stepinac canonisation you have chosen a methodology of trying to get closer to the Serbian Orthodox Church’s point of view on the matter, that dialogue with that Church is crucial for Cardinal Alojzije Stepinac to be canonised.

The fact remains that you have completed one phase of that dialogue and did not achieve any particular result because the views did not converge between the Catholic and the Serbian Orthodox churches. This, of course is not surprising when it comes to the views of Serbian Orthodox Church, which I believe will never ever back down from its persistent lies and historical fabrications against WWII Croatia and Blessed Alojzije Stepinac. It is without any doubt in my mind that the Serbian Orthodox Church had armed itself with input of people like Predrag Ilic, who wrote the book of historical discussions (Stepinac and the Holocaust in NDH/WWII Croatia), a book of utter historical tripe and cosmetically filtered or adjusted interpretations of historic documentation. I also have no doubt that, should misfortune continue and a second round of talks with the Orthodox Church is held on Stepinac, the Serbian Church will arm itself with the likes of Gideon Greif, a historian evidently on Serbia’s payroll who also wrote books on WWII Croatia (e.g. Jasenovac – Auschwitz of the Balkans) filled with twisting the history against Croats by overwhelmingly avoiding pursuit of facts as they actually were and obviously giving a credence to politically fabricated numbers of victims since WWII.

I would like to think that among other factual historical evidence on Blessed Alojzije Stepinac, you have made yourself aware of the independent research of WWII Croatia conducted by Esther Gitman and her books that have been published in the past two decades (e.g. “When Courage Prevailed – the Rescue and Survival of Jews in the Independent State of Croatia 1941 – 1945” or “Alojzije Stepinac – Pillar of Human Rights”). Esther Gitman’s findings on Cardinal Stepinac require no historical discussions, they require no interpretations because they are represented as facts found; as the truth. Esther Gitman’s factual discoveries about Cardinal Alojzije Stepinac’s work during WWII are indeed an ample demonstration of the Servant of God that he was. Same may be said for Robin Harris’s book “Stepinac - His Life and Times”. Our Catholic Church needs nothing more and nothing else to take a look at the Servant of God that Stepinac was, although there are ample other books and research papers that corroborate Stepinac’s existence, sacrifice and courage of a true Servant of God that our Catholic Church has for centuries listed among its saints.
I strongly believe that I am not the only person in the world, far from it, who considers that your pursuit of dialogue with the Serbian Orthodox Church regarding the canonisation is fundamentally wrong on many fronts as far as the Roman Catholic congregation is concerned and as far as justice is concerned, including:

Firstly, it is wrong to place Pope John Paul II beatification in 1998 of Cardinal Alojzije Stepinac on such degraded ground. Pope John Paul II, now Saint John Paul II, did not need to justify to any other than the Catholic Church his and Roman Catholic Church’s convictions at the time as to deserved merits for Cardinal Stepinac within his and our Church and faith! The “history” Your Holiness pointed out existed at times of John Paul II only he was not as wealthy in the knowledge of facts as you are today; Pope John Paul II did not have the benefit of facts discovered about Blessed Alojzije Stepinac only after the communist Yugoslavia ceased to be and historical archives opened up and still knew the fact that Stepinac was truly a Servant of God.

Secondly, it is utterly wrong and cruel towards the Croatian people who fought for freedom and independence from the scourge of and aggression by Greater Serbia politics, always deeply rooted within the Serbian Orthdox Church, to decide upon the Sainthood of Cardinal Alojzije Stepinac under a condition that Serbs might agree with that decision. No, Your Holiness, Croatians did not exchange moral or cultural values with the Serbian Orthodox Church – ever. Whenever Serbs invaded or attacked Croatia (whether by military or politically diplomatic manoeuvres) they destroyed parts of our culture, shook our faith in God, falsified our history, stole our lands...and the Serbian Orthodox Church stood right behind them, encouraging their aggression. It is far from even an inkling of possibility that a dialogue with the Serbian Orthodox Church will result in any consensus on matters where a member of the Croatian people, such as Blessed Alojzije Stepinac, will result in pointing a shining light upon Croats and to the benefit of Croatian people.

Thirdly, in May of 2019 Your Holiness stated that “the canonisation of Stepinac is a historic case. He is a virtuous man for this Church, which has proclaimed him Blessed. But at a certain moment of the canonisation process there are unclear points, historic points, and I should sign the canonisation, it is my responsibility, I prayed, I reflected, I asked advice, and I saw that I should ask Irinej, a great patriarch (of Serbian Orthodox Church), for help…” and I would like to remind you, if you already are not aware that this “great” patriarch, like all of his predecessors in living memory, is a politician as much as he is a priest, most likely a politician more than a priest. Known for his nationalist statements justifying Serbian imperialism—a transgenerational project which underlies every 20th century war on the territory of former Yugoslavia - Irinej’s wicked observations about Stepinac, that he “did not want to hear the children’s cry” in concentration camps, are a first-class manipulation and evil fabrication directed at the Croatian Roman Catholic congregation.

Fourthly, it may be a prudent pursuit by Your Holiness to pursue dialogue with non-Catholic Christian communities, to pursue and invigorate relations with the Russian Orthodox Church via the Serbian Orthodox Church as a link, but it is far from acceptable to judge the life of Blessed Alojzije Stepinac, as a prerequisite for canonisation, with the information supplied by the Serbian Orthodox Church headed by Irinej, or any other Greater Serbia bandit.


Fifthly, regarding any talks held with those that since year 2000 may have held or currently hold government power in Croatia or Serbia regarding the canonisation of Blessed Alojzije Stepinac, please know this: you have more likely than not spoken with former communist party of Yugoslavia members (or their children) who persecuted Croatian practicing Catholics during the life of Former Yugoslavia either by degrading their value to society or taking away their human right to religion, they mass murdered Croatian Catholic priests during and after WWII as well as hundreds of thousands of innocent freedom loving civilians and disarmed soldiers … In short, know this please Your Holiness: these former communists or their offspring, brought up in the communist mindset, are of no value whatsoever when it comes to presenting the truth of Stepinac’s life and deeds, especially those of extraordinary courage and sacrifice in saving thousands of persecuted people of different races and ethnicity during WWII.

Sixthly, if it is true that you are seeking a moment of “togetherness” within the Catholic Church regarding the canonisation of Blessed Alojzije Stepinac and in that togetherness you count on those who have started attending Holy Mass after Croatia was victorious in its secession from Communist Yugoslavia, for personal gain in political careers, please abandon that trail to Stepinac’s Sainthood. These men and women will abandon the Church at a drop of a hat should political winds in their country so dictate, just like they did during the life of Former Yugoslavia, just like their fathers and mothers had as followers of the Communist Party. Your Holiness, these people or their parents persecuted Blessed Alojzije Stepinac in 1946 with trumped up charges, not alleging but stamping him falsely as a Nazi collaborator, when the truth was that at the threat to his own life he saved thousands. Do you truly believe that these people will now confess this horrid sin of theirs?

And so, it is with a Christian fortitude and knowledge of forces, particularly those belonging to the Serbian Orthodox Church congregation, which have purposefully pursued the destruction of Blessed Stepinac’s good reputation that I write this Open Letter to Your Holiness today, 25th September, on St. Sergius of Radonezh’s Feast Day, the Patron Saint of Russia who worked not only to spread monasticism and the sanctity of monastic life, but also to become a messenger of Christian values in a country then threatened by various internal divisions and external tensions.

God’s commandments are a most welcome help for conscience to get to know the truth and hence to judge verily. God’s commandments are the expression of the truth about our good, about our very being, disclosing something crucial about how to live life well and to bear false witness against our neighbour is a grave sin committed against Blessed Alojzije Stepinac by the Serbian Orthodox Church including Patriarch Irinej.

Your Holiness, Blessed Alojzije Stepinac deserves to bask in the glory of the truth and his name to not endure false witness for a moment longer.

Please announce his canonisation!

So please, Your Holiness, find the courage to stop this impasse in faith and this moral chaos your pursuit of dialogue on the canonisation of Blessed Alojzije Stepinac is causing. As the supreme authority of the Catholic Church, it would be one of most important, courageous and Christian act of your entire mandate because it would represent standing firmly on truth and rejecting historical fabrications and falsehoods that have been devastatingly promoted for decades. While we all are desirous of and pray for peace and unity, the Croatian and multitudes of other Roman Catholics will thank you and so would the great soul of Blessed Alojzije Stepinac who perished from torture and false witness against him, saying: “When they take everything from you, you will be left with two hands; put them together in prayer and then you will be the strongest.”

Ina Vukic, Prof. Psych. (ZGB); B.A., M.A.Ps. (SYD)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nM5Eu7Sf8c8&feature=emb_title

Braćo Hrvati crni sinovi , ako vam je do vere i hrvatstva bežte trkom u pravoslavlje , osnivajte HPC ali ovaj put zarad sebe.

Tako ispada, čini se shvataju nas zdravo za gotovo.

A snimi ovo brate ekumenski?!

[youtube]http://youtu.be/ruut1lfBKyI?t=278[/youtube]

Da je ovo pravi problem za KC govori i činjenica da nema ključne i kritične mase katoličkih vernika da spreči ovo ludilo.
Zasad su samo Hrvati,Poljaci i još par država i Evrope i južne Amerike oni koji imaju nadu za opstanak KC kao normalne i tradicionalne , međutim furundžije i levičari užurbano jašu i sve su prilike da neće stati dok se KC ne pretvori u nešto što ni oni sami ne znaju šta treba biti.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blessed_Sacrament_Catholic_Church,_Hollywood

Kako ova crkva nije ekskomunicirana?? , dakle poostoji realan problem.

Bavim se verskim pitanjima ali u Boga ne verujem. Ask me a question.

Papa Francisko je zabacio udicu, i misionari bi oko bizantinaca, pod krinkom poštivanja, uvažavanja i ekumenske ljubavi.

Zato braćo H budite strpljivi.
To je proces, koji stolećima može trajati.

Glup si k'o društveno sputani i srozani milokliščić.

A ti veruješ u boga?? , aj dokaži to?? , ti svaki dan daješ izjave o bogu i da si vernik , a možda kući praviš satanske obrede koljući petlove , i upravo ti je tvoje vražje sredstvo za zamajavanje pravih vernika to što govoriš da si vernik i da si za boga.

Poenta je u principima i stavovima koje jasno i istinski braniš i tvrdiš da su ispravni , pa ako su verski ili bilo koji drugi to nije važno , bitno je ono iza čega stojiš moralno i društveno.

Čovečanstvo nema stoleća, mi smo generacije na repu istorije.

Toliko o ignorisanju.

Zamislite papu za 100 godina.

Transdzender hologram s licencom za reiki.

Na ovaj način neće postojati. Svaki svjetonazor koji izgubi agresivnost odumire, na ovaj način će se katoličkoj crkvi desiti isto što se već desilo mainline protestantima - ne postoje.

Već mi je par ljudi reklo (mlađih, 20ak godina) da nisu katolici tj. da ne žele imati ništa sa ovakvom crkvom. Pro migrantska, pro islamistička, pro lgtb, ne trebaš bit kršćanin da se spasiš, relativiziranje svega, itd. Tko god je desnijeg/ konzervativnijeg svjetonazora se od toga miče a mnogi će i potpasti pod ateizam ili neki neodređeni "spirituality" (realno ista stvar).

Baš me zanima kakvi će biti rezultati popisa 2021., i ne samo u Hrvatskoj.