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 Naslov: Re: Šta je to svetac
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To je potpuna neistina. Potraži šta se govori u Muslimana za vrijeme molitve, nađi mi dokaz da se mole ikom osim Bogu direktno( kabi se samo orkeću), za razliku od kršćanstva gdje se direktno obraća posredniku odnosno svecu.


Potraži ti šta kršćani mole tijekom mise.
Taman posla da učim arapski jezik, kad se budete mogli moliti Bogu na svom jeziku onda se javi.
Strašna vjera koja ti niti ne dopušta da se možeš moliti na svom jeziku, valjda Alah razumije samo arapski?

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Sufi saints or Wali (Arabic: ولي‎, plural ʾawliyāʾ أولياء) played an instrumental role in spreading Islam throughout the world.[1] In the traditional Islamic view, a saint is portrayed as someone "marked by [special] divine favor ... [and] holiness", and who is specifically "chosen by God and endowed with exceptional gifts, such as the ability to work miracles."[2]

List of Sufi saints

Abul Hasan ash-Shadhili
Ameer Muhammad Akram Awan (1934-2017, lived, did coal mining business nearby, preached, gave spirtual training and buried at Dar ul Irfan Munara, Pakistan, was the 12th Sheikh of Silsila Naqshbandia Owaisiah and writer of several books and 03 Tafaseer of the Holy Qur'an)
Abdallah ibn Alawi al-Haddad (1634-1720, buried in Hadhramaut, author on several books on Dhikr)
Abdullah Shah Ghazi (d. 720, buried in Karachi)
Abdul Waahid Bin Zaid (d. 711, buried in Iraq)
Abdul Khaliq Ghajadwani (d. 1179, buried in Bukhara, one of the Khwajagan of the Naqshbandi order)
Abdul Qadir Gilani (1077–1166, buried in Baghdad, founder of the Qadiriyya Sufi order)[3][4]
Abdul Razzaq Gilani (1134-1207, buried in Baghdad, son of Abdul Qadir Gilani, promoted the Qadiriyya order)
Abu Ishaq Shami (d. 940, buried on Mount Qasioun, founder of the Chishti Order)
Abū-Sa'īd Abul-Khayr (967-1049, buried in Miana, Turkmenistan, poet who innovated the use of love poetry to express mystic concepts)
Abu al-Abbas al-Mursi (1219-1287, buried in Anfoushi, one of the four master saints of Egypt)
Abul Hasan Hankari (1018-1093, buried in Baghdad, noted scholar and miracle worker)
Adam Khaki (14th century, buried in Badarpur, Assam, took part in the Conquest of Sylhet and preached at Badarpur)
Afaq Khoja (1626-1694, buried in Xinjiang, opposed the Chagatai Khanate's attempt to enforce Yassa law on Muslims)
Ahamed Muhyudheen Noorishah Jeelani (1915-1990, buried in Hyderabad, India, founder of the Nooriya sufi order)
Ahmed Raza Khan Barelvi (1856-1921, buried in the Bareilly Sharif Dargah, reformer in British India)
Ahmad Ghazali (1061 to 1123 or 1126, buried in Qazvin, younger brother of the more famous Al-Ghazali, reasoned that as God is absolute beauty, to adore any object of beauty is to participate in a divine act of love)
Ahmad al-Tijani (1737–1815, buried in Fez, Morocco), founder of the Tijaniyyah order)
Ahmadou Bamba (1853–1927, buried next to the Great Mosque of Touba, lead a pacifist struggle against the French colonial empire)
Ahmad Yasawi (1093-1166, buried in the Mausoleum of Khoja Ahmed Yasawi, poet, founder of Turkish Sufism)
Akshamsaddin (1389-1459, buried in Göynük, tutor and advisor to Mehmed the Conqueror)
Akhundzada Saif-ur-Rahman Mubarak (1925–2010, buried in Lahore, founder of the Saifia Sufi order)
Al-Busiri (1211–1294, buried in Alexandria, poet, author of the Qasida Burda)
Wasif Ali Wasif (1929-1993, buried in Lahore, was a teacher, writer, poet, and Sufi saint from Pakistan)
Habib al-Ajami (d. 738, buried in Basra)
Abu Bakr al-Aydarus (1447–1508, buried in Aden, the patron saint of Aden, credited with introducing Qadiri Sufism to Ethiopia and coffee to the Arab world)
Ahmad al-Badawi (1200-1276, buried in Ahmad Al-Badawi Mosque, most popular saint in Egypt)
Al-Ghazālī (1058-1111, buried in Tus, Iran, considered a Mujaddid, author of The Revival of the Religious Sciences and The Incoherence of the Philosophers, influenced early modern European criticism of Aristotelian physics)
Al-Hallaj (858-922, ashes scattered in the Tigris, imprisoned and executed after requesting "O Muslims, save me from God" and declaring "I am the Truth")
Ali Hujwiri (1009-1072/77, buried in Lahore, Pakistan, author of Kashf ul Mahjoob, spread Sufism throughout the Indian Subcontinent)[5]
Ali-Shir Nava'i (1441-1501, buried in Herat, author of Muhakamat al-Lughatayn and founder of Turkic literature)
Abu al-Hassan al-Kharaqani (963-1033, illiterate mystic who influenced Avicenna, Rumi, and Jami)
Al-Qushayri (986-1072, buried in Nishapur, author who distinguished four layers of Quranic interpretation and defended the historical lineage of Sufism)
Alauddin Sabir Kaliyari (1196–1291, buried near Haridwar, founder of the Sabiriya branch of the Chishti order)[6]
Amir Khusrau (1253–1325, buried in the Nizamuddin Dargah, influential musician, considered the "father of Urdu literature")[7]
Amir Kulal (1278-1370, buried near Bukhara, taught Timur and Baha' al-Din Naqshband)
Attar of Nishapur (1145-1221, buried in the Mausoleum of Attar of Nishapur, author of The Conference of the Birds and the hagiographic Tazkirat al-Awliya)
Azan Faqir (17th century, buried in Sivasagar near the Brahmaputra River, reformer who stabilized Islam in the Assam region)[8]
Abd al-Karīm al-Jīlī (1365-1424, expounded on the works of Ibn Arabi)
Abu Al Fazal Abdul Wahid Yemeni Tamimi
Abdul Aziz bin Hars bin Asad Yemeni Tamimi
Abu al-Najib Suhrawardi
Abu Bakr Shibli
Ahmad Zarruq
Abdul Qadeer Siddiqui Hasrat

B

Baba Fakruddin (1169–1295, buried in Penukonda)[9]
Baba Kuhi of Shiraz (948-1037)
Baba Shadi Shaheed (17th century, first Chib Rajput to convert to Islam, married a daughter of Babur)
Sheikh Bedreddin (1359–1420, buried in Istanbul in 1961, revolted against Mehmed I)
Baha' al-Din Naqshband (1318–1389, buried in Bukhara, founder of the Naqshbandi order)
Balım Sultan (d. 1517/1519, buried in Nevşehir Province, co-founder of the Bektashi Order)
Bahauddin Zakariya (1170–1267, buried in the Shrine of Bahauddin Zakariya, spread the Suhrawardiyya order through South Asia)[10]
Bande Nawaz (1321–1422, buried in Gulbarga, spread the Chishti Order to southern India)[11]
Khwaja Baqi Billah (1564–1605, buried in Delhi, spread the Naqshbandi order into India)[12]
Bawa Muhaiyaddeen (d. 1986, founder of the Bawa Muhaiyaddeen Fellowship in Philadelphia)
Bayazid Bastami (874/5-848/9, buried in Shrine of Bayazid Bostami, noted for his ideas on spiritual intoxication)
Bibi Jamal Khatun (d. 1639 or 1647, lived in Sehwan Sharif, sister of Mian Mir)[13]
Bodla Bahar (1238-1298, buried in Sehwan Sharif, features in the miracle stories of Lal Shahbaz Qalandar)
Bu Ali Shah Qalandar (1209–1324, buried in Panipat)[14]
Bulleh Shah (1680–1757, buried in Kasur, regarded as "the father of Punjabi enlightenment")

D

Dara Shikoh (1615–1659, brother of Aurangzeb, author of Majma-ul-Bahrain)[15]
Daud Bandagi Kirmani (1513–1575, buried in Shergarh, Punjab)[16]
Dawūd al-Qayṣarī
Dawud Tai (d. circa 777-782)
Dhul-Nun al-Misri

F

Fakhr ad-Din ar-Razi
Fariduddin Ganjshakar (1188–1280, buried in the Shrine of Baba Farid, Pakpattan, Pakistan and developed Punjabi literature through poetry)[17]
Fuzûlî (1494–1556, considered one of the greatest poets of Azerbaijani literature)

G

Ghulam Ali Dehlavi (1743–1824, buried in Delhi)
Ghousi Shah (1893–1954, buried in Hyderabad)
Gül Baba (d. 1541, buried in Tomb of Gül Baba, esoteric author and patron saint of Budapest)

H

Hafez (1315-1390, buried in Tomb of Hafez, highly popular antinomian Persian poet whose works are regularly quoted and even used for divination)
Haji Huud (1025–1141, buried in Patan, Gujarat, helped spread Islam in India)[18]
Hacı Bayram-ı Veli (1352–1430, buried in Ankara, founder of the Bayramiye order)
Haji Bektash Veli (1209–1271, buried in the Haji Bektash Veli Complex, revered by both Alevis and Bektashis)
Hasan al-Basri (642-728, buried in Az Zubayr, highly important figure in the development of Sunni Sufism)
Hazrat Babajan (d. 1931, buried in Pune, master to Meher Baba)
Yusuf Hamdani (1062-1141, buried in Merv)
Mir Sayyid Ali Hamadani (1314–1384, buried in Khatlon Region, spread the Kubrawiya order throughout Asia)[19]
Hüsn ü Aşk

I

Imam Ali-ul-Haq (925-971, burried in Sialkot).
Ibrahim al-Dasuqi (1255–1296, buried in Desouk, founder of the Desouki order)
İbrahim Hakkı Erzurumi (1703–1780, buried in Tillo, astronomer and encyclopedist, first Muslim author to cover post-Copernican astronomy)
Ibrahim ibn Faïd (1396-1453)
Imadaddin Nasimi
Ismail Haqqi Bursevi (1653-1725, buried in Bursa, author noted for esoteric interpretations of the Quran)
Ismail Qureshi al Hashmi (1260–1349)

J

Jalaluddin Surkh-Posh Bukhari (1192–1291)[20]
Jamal-ud-Din Hansvi

K

Khwaja Abdullah Ansari
Khwaja Ghulam Farid (1845–1901, buried in Mithankot, poet)
Kodinar (kodinar gujarat .He is grandson of gous-e-azam dastagir. Urs of rizkullah shah dada is on 1 to 10 dates of rabi'al-akhir . He got title of khawaja-e-qadri and choti Baghdad)
Arabati Baba Teḱe
Usman Harooni
Ali Hujwiri
Iraqī (1213–1289)[21]
Ibrahim Niass
Ibn Adham
Ibn Arabi
Ibn Ata Allah
Imam Fassi
Jabir ibn Hayyan
Ja'far al-Sadiq
Jahanara Begum Sahib (1614–1681)[15]
Jahaniyan Jahangasht (1308–1384)
Jamī

M

Madurai Maqbara
Mirza Mazhar Jan-e-Janaan (1699–1781)
Muhammad Jaunpuri
Muhammad al-Jazuli
Syed Abdul Rehman Jilani Dehlvi (1024-1088)
Abdul Karim Jili
Junayd of Baghdad
Khâlid-i Baghdâdî
Qutbuddin Bakhtiar Kaki
Alauddin Sabir Kaliyari
Maruf Karkhi
Khan Jahan Ali (d. 1459)
Lal Shahbaz Qalander (1177–1274)[22]
Machiliwale Shah
Magtymguly Pyragy
Noor Muhammad Maharvi (1730–1791)
Mahmoodullah Shah
Mahmud Hudayi
Madurai Maqbara
Mir Amjad Ibrahim Ash Shadhili
Meher Ali Shah
Mian Mir (1550–1635)[23]
Mian Muhammad Bakhsh
Sayyid Ali Hamadani
Muhammad Suleman Taunsvi
Mohammad Tartusi
Mubarak Makhzoomi (1013-1119)[24]
Muhammad Al-Makki
Muhammad ibn Tayfour Sajawandi
Muhammad Ilyas Attar Qadri
Muqaddam
Muhammad Qadiri (1552-1654)
Mustafa Gaibi
Mushtaq Ali Shah (?-1792)
Makhdoom Ali Mahimi (1372–1431)[25]
Mohamed ben Issa (1467–1526, buried in Meknes, founder of the Aissawa order)
Moinuddin Chishti (1141–1230, buried in the Ajmer Sharif Dargah, spread the Chishti order throughout India)[26]
Muhammad ibn `Ali at-Tirmidhi

N

Nadir Ali Shah
Nāimī
Najm al-Din Razi
Nājm ūd-Dīn Kubrā
Nazim Al-Haqqani
Nasir Khusraw
Nasreddin
Nathar Vali
Shah Niamatullah
Shah Nimatullah Wali
Nizamuddin Auliya
Nasiruddin Chiragh Dehlavi
Syed Nooran Shah(Haji Baba)[27]
Nizamuddin Auliya (1238–1325)[28]

O

Omar Khayyám
Osman Fazli
Otman Baba

P

Pir Baba (1431-1502)[29]
Pir Sultan
Pir Yemeni

Q

Qasim ibn Muhammad ibn Abu Bakr
Qutb ad-Dīn Haydar
Qutb ūd-Dīn Shīrāzī
Qutbuddin Bakhtiar Kaki (1173–1235)[30]

R

Rabbānī (ca. 1564-1624)[31]
Rabia Basri
Rahman Baba
Rifa'ī
Rukn-e-Alam (1251–1335)[32]
Rumi
Rizqullah shah dada

S

Saadī
Sabakhī
Sachal Sarmast (1739-1827)
Shah Maroof Khushabi
Shah Sulaimān Nūri (1508-1604)
Sidi Boushaki
Sahl al-Tustari
Salim Chishti (1478–1572)[33]
Salman al-Farisī
Sanai
Syed Ahmad Sultan (12th-century)
Sarı Saltuk
Sarmad Kashani (d. 1661)[34]
Saint Nurī
Semnanī (1308–1405)[35]
Shah Abdul Latif Bhittai (1689-1752)
Shah Badakhshi (1584–1661)[36]
Sayed Badiuddin
Shah Gardez (1026–1152)[37]
Shah Hussain (1538–1599)[38]
Shah Jalal (1271–1347)[39]
Shah Mustafa (d. 1336)
Shah Jalal Dakhini (d. 1476)
Shah Amanat (d. 1809)
Shah Paran (14th century)[40]
Shamas Faqir
Shāms-i Tabrizī
Sheikh Edebali
Shah Syed Muhammad Nurbakhsh Qahistani
Syed Ahmad Ullah (1826-1906)
Soch Kraal
Sufi Barkat Ali
Shahab al-Din Abu Hafs Umar Suhrawardi
Shahāb al-Dīn al-Maqtul
Sharfuddin Shah Wilayat (1255-1346)
Shaykh Syed Mir Mirak Andrabi ( 921A.H - 990 A.H)
Sirri Saqti
Sultan Bahu (1628–1691)
Sultan Walad
Syed Yaqub
Shah Farid-ud-Din Baghdadi (c. 1551 AD – c. 1733 AD)
Sadr al-Din al-Qunawi
Safi-ad-din Ardabili
Shah Abdul Latif Bhittai (1689–1752, buried in the Shrine of Shah Abdul Latif Bhittai, considered the greatest Muslim poet of the Sindhi language)
Shah Waliullah Dehlawi (1703–1762, buried in Munhadiyan, author noted for anti-Shia and anti-Hindu works)

T

Tajuddin Muhammad Badruddin
Telli Baba

W

Waris Shah
Waris Ali Shah

Y

Yahya bey Dukagjini
Yahya Efendi
Yahya Maneri (1263–1381)[41]
Yunus Ali Enayetpuri (R.)
Yunus Emre
Youza Asouph

Z

Zahed Gilani

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 Naslov: Re: Šta je to svetac
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Nije idolopoklonstvo ali se Muhameda ne smije vrijeđati ili ode glava.
To što vi to ne zovete svecima nego poslanikom druga stvar.
Ne mole se niti kršćani svecima.

Kršćani se bukvalno mole kipovima, o čemu pričaš?


Odreci se Sotone, i sveg sjaja njegova.

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 Naslov: Re: Šta je to svetac
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Pridružen/a: čet kol 02, 2012 11:47 am
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Dakle u islamu su sveci valije.

Tekija na Blagaju je ustvari mezar valije kojega domaći muslimani hodočaste i mole na njemu.

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Pridružen/a: pet lis 12, 2012 10:38 pm
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Nije idolopoklonstvo ali se Muhameda ne smije vrijeđati ili ode glava.
To što vi to ne zovete svecima nego poslanikom druga stvar.
Ne mole se niti kršćani svecima.

Kršćani se bukvalno mole kipovima, o čemu pričaš?


Ako ja kažem: Riquelme, moli se za me.
Onda se ja ne molim tebi. Upali mozak.

Kako je u Islamu:
Riquelme se moli Allahu, a Allah se moli većem idolu (33:56)

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Kip nije Bog. Nijedan kip nije Bog i nema moć sam po sebi i sumnjam da se ijedan katolik klanja i štuje bilo koji kip kao da je kip Bog. Mislim da je svima jasno da se ljudi mole nečemu što je zapravo na nebu.

I svima je jasno da kip ili slika reprezentiraju nešto, obično neki događaj iz života Isusa, svetaca itd. Kleknuti iz poštovanja prema onom što prikazuje kip ili slika ne znači da se samom predmetu klanja i da ga se štuje kao Boga.

U Starom zavjetu se u više navrata spominju naredbe da se izrade ukrasi, kipovi i sl. anđela. Klečalo se pred oltarom, pred žrtvom, pred hramom (koji je imao anđele kao ukrase), nije se štovao oltar, žrtva, hram ili ukras anđela kao da su ti predmeti/objekti sami po sebi bogovi.

Ja ne znam koliko ljudi razumiju smisao, dakle ne smije se izrađivati kip/slika nečega što je Božje stvorenje i smatrati taj izrađeni predmet bogom koji ima moć i klanjati mu se kao takvom. I ne treba se klanjati općenito ničemu što je Bog stvorio kao da je to bog... samo se Bogu klanjaš. Shvaćate li riječ klanjanje? Ne pričamo dakle o naklonu na pozornici, naklon kad se upoznajemo, pričamo o tome što smatraš Božanstvom, čemu se "klanjaš"... i nije da se ne smiju izrađivati kipovi i slike općenito...


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