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Egipat zaprijetio Etiopiji sa vojnom akcijom ako završe svoju hidrocentralu na Nilu. Vjerojatno akcija miniranja hidrocentrale.

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Oni će je svakako završiti. Najveći spor je punjenje brane. Etiopljanima se žuri da što brže napune akumulaciju i počnu proizvoditi struju, što bi prourokovalo 3-4 godine drastične suše i glad u Egiptu. Egipat želi da punjenje traje duži niz godina uz slabije redukcije. Etiopljani su praktički emotivno vezani za tu branu i teško će se tu naći rješenje. Takođe Etiopija ovo branom dobija veliku prednost nad Egiptom i otvara se prostor za raznorazne ucjene. Uglavnom složen i zanimljiv geopolitički problem.

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Osim sitnice da bi Sudan dozvolio prolaz egipatske armije i svoje aerodrome njima ustupio. Jer su i istoj situaciji kao Egipat. Samim tim je vojna akcija jako realna stvar.

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Etiopiju su sjebali kada su joj oduzeli izlaz na more.

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Realno, biće tu rata, bar da sruše branu.

Etiopija je mnogoljudnija. Čini mi se oko 115 mil.

Da, za oduzeti izlaz na more je šteta.

Oni su kopljima mučili Musolinija.
Dosta ih je ortodox kršćana.

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Male države ne moraju imati izlaz na more. Ali regionalne ili veće sile moraju. Ne možeš biti regionalna sila ako nemaš ni luke, ako te može blokirati i ucjenjivati par susjeda.

S druge strane, Egipat nema nikakve vode osim Nila, živa pustinja + Nil kojeg kontrolira Etiopija. Etiopija potpuno kontrolira vodostaj Nila, jer možda 1% oborina Nil prima od kiše koja padne u Egiptu, znači 99% etiopska voda.

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Imaju li Etiopljani nekog saveznika?

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The Copts (Coptic: ⲚⲓⲢⲉⲙ̀ⲛⲭⲏⲙⲓ ̀ⲛ̀Ⲭⲣⲏⲥⲧⲓ̀ⲁⲛⲟⲥ, romanized: NiRemenkīmi enKhristianos; Arabic: الْقِبْط‎, al-Qibṭ) are an ethnoreligious group indigenous to North Africa who primarily inhabit the area of modern Egypt, where they are the largest Christian denomination in the country and in the Middle East. Copts are also the largest Christian denomination in Sudan and Libya.

Historically, they spoke the Coptic language, a direct descendant of the Demotic Egyptian that was spoken in late antiquity.

Originally referring to all Egyptians at first, the term 'Copt' became synonymous with being a Christian, as a result of Egypt's Arabization and Islamization.

The English language adopted the word Copt in the 17th century from New Latin Coptus, Cophtus, which derives from the Arabic collective qubṭ / qibṭ قبط‎ "the Copts" with nisba adjective qubṭī, qibṭī قبطى‎, plural aqbāṭ أقباط‎; Also quftī, qiftī (where the Arabic /f/ reflects the historical Coptic /p/) an Arabisation of the Coptic word kubti (Bohairic) or kuptaion (Sahidic). The Coptic word in turn represents an adaptation of the Greek term for the indigenous people of Egypt, Aigýptios (Αἰγύπτιος).

The Greek term for Egypt, Aígyptos (Ancient Greek: Αἴγυπτος), itself derives from the Egyptian language, but dates to a much earlier period, being attested already in Mycenaean Greek as a3-ku-pi-ti-jo (lit. "Egyptian"; used here as a man's name). This Mycenaean form is likely from Middle Egyptian ḥwt kꜣ ptḥ (reconstructed pronunciation /ħawitˌkuʀpiˈtaħ/ → /ħajiʔˌkuʀpiˈtaħ/ → /ħəjˌkuʔpəˈtaħ/, Egyptological pronunciation Hut-ka-Ptah), literally "estate/palace of the kꜣ ("double" spirit) of Ptah" (compare Akkadian āluḫi-ku-up-ta-aḫ), the name of the temple complex of the god Ptah at Memphis (and a synecdoche for the city of Memphis and the region around it).

The term Aigýptios in Greek came to designate the native Egyptian population in Roman Egypt (as distinct from Greeks, Romans, Jews, etc.).

After the Muslim conquest of Egypt (639-646) it became restricted to those Egyptians adhering to the Christian religion.

In Coptic, Copts referred to themselves as ni rem en kīmi en khristianos (Coptic: ⲚⲓⲢⲉⲙ̀ⲛⲭⲏⲙⲓ ̀ⲛ̀Ⲭⲣⲏⲥⲧⲓ̀ⲁⲛⲟⲥ), which literally means "Christian people of Egypt" or "Christian Egyptians".

The Coptic name for Egyptians, rem en kīmi (Coptic: Ⲣⲉⲙ̀ⲛⲭⲏⲙⲓ), is realized in the Fayyumic Coptic as lem en kēmi, or rem en khēmi in the Bohairic dialect; cf. Egyptian rmṯ n kmt, Demotic rmṯ n kmỉ.

The Arabic word qibṭ "Copt" has also been connected to the Greek name of the town of Kóptos (Koinē Greek: Κόπτος, now Qifṭ; Coptic Kebt and Keft) in Upper Egypt. This association may have contributed to making "Copt" the settled form of the name.

In the 20th century some Egyptian nationalists and intellectuals in the context of Pharaonism began using the term qubṭ in the historical sense.

In 1952, Gamal Abdel Nasser led some army officers in a coup d'état against King Farouk, which overthrew the Kingdom of Egypt and established a republic. Nasser's mainstream policy was pan-Arab nationalism and socialism. The Copts were severely affected by Nasser's nationalization policies, though they represented about 10 to 20 percent of the population.

In addition, Nasser's pan-Arab policies undermined the Copts' strong attachment to and sense of identity about their Egyptian pre-Arab, and certainly non-Arab identity which resulted in permits to construct churches to be delayed along with Christian religious courts to be closed.

Many Coptic intellectuals hold to Pharaonism, which states that Coptic culture is largely derived from pre-Christian, Pharaonic culture, and is not indebted to Greece. It gives the Copts a claim to a deep heritage in Egyptian history and culture.

Pharaonism was widely held by Coptic and Muslim scholars in the early 20th century, and it helped bridge the divide between those groups. Some scholars see Pharaonism as shaped by Orientalism.

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Egyptians have received several names:

• rmṯ n Km.t, the native Egyptian name of the people of the Nile Valley, literally 'People of Kemet' (i.e., Egypt). In antiquity, it was often shortened to simply Rmṯ or "the people". The name is vocalized as ræm/en/kā/mi ⲣⲉⲙⲛ̀ⲭⲏⲙⲓ in the (Bohairic) Coptic stage of the language, meaning "Egyptian" (ni/ræm/en/kāmi ⲛⲓⲣⲉⲙⲛ̀ⲭⲏⲙⲓ with the plural definite article, "the Egyptians").

Egyptians, from Greek Αἰγύπτιοι, Aiguptioi, from Αἴγυπτος, Aiguptos "Egypt". The Greek name is derived from Late Egyptian Hikuptah "Memphis", a corruption of the earlier Egyptian name Hat-ka-Ptah (ḥwt-k3-ptḥ), meaning "home of the ka (soul) of Ptah", the name of a temple to the god Ptah at Memphis. Strabo provided a folk etymology according to which Αἴγυπτος had evolved as a compound from Aἰγαίου ὑπτίως Aegaeou huptiōs, meaning "below the Aegean". In English, the noun "Egyptians" appears in the 14th century, in Wycliff's Bible, as Egipcions.

Copts (قبط, qibṭ, qubṭ), also a derivative of the Greek word Αἰγύπτιος, Aiguptios ("Egypt, Egyptian"), that appeared under Muslim rule when it overtook Roman rule in Egypt. The term referred to the Egyptian locals, to distinguish them from the Arab rulers.

Coptic was the language of the state, Christian church and people but was replaced by Arabic after the Muslim conquest. Islam became the dominant religion centuries after the Muslim conquest in Egypt. This is due to centuries of conversion from Christianity to Islam, likely as a result of the higher tax rate on Christians. The modern term then became exclusively associated with Egyptian Christianity and Coptic Christians who are members of the Coptic Orthodox Church or Coptic Catholic Church. References to native Muslims as Copts are attested until the Mamluk period.

Masryeen (مَصريين, Masryyeen), the modern Egyptian Arabic name, which comes from the ancient Semitic name for Egypt. The term originally connoted "Civilization" or "Metropolis". Classical Arabic Miṣr (Egyptian Arabic Maṣr) is directly cognate with the Biblical Hebrew Mitsráyīm (מִצְרַיִם / מִצְרָיִם), meaning "the two straits", a reference to the predynastic separation of Upper and Lower Egypt. Also mentioned in several semitic languages as Mesru, Misir and Masar.

The term "Misr" in Arabic refers to Egypt, but sometimes also to the Cairo area, as a consequence, and because of the habit of identifying people with cities rather than countries (i.e. Tunis (capital of Tunisia), Tunsi). The term Masreyeen originally referred only to the native inhabitants of Cairo or "City of Misr" before its meaning expanded to encompass all Egyptians.

Edward William Lane, writing in the 1820s, said that the native Muslim inhabitants of Cairo commonly call themselves El-Maṣreeyeen, Ewlad Maṣr (lit. Children of Masr) and Ahl Maṣr (lit. The People of Masr). He also added that the Turks "stigmatized" the people of Egypt with the name Ahl-Far'ūn or the 'People of the Pharaoh'.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptians

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The Coptic Orthodox Church of Alexandria (Coptic: Ϯⲉⲕ̀ⲕⲗⲏⲥⲓⲁ ⲛ̀ⲣⲉⲙⲛ̀ⲭⲏⲙⲓ ⲛ̀ⲟⲣⲑⲟⲇⲟⲝⲟⲥ, romanized: ti.eklyseya en.remenkimi en.orthodoxos, lit. 'The Egyptian Orthodox Church') is an Oriental Orthodox Christian church based in Egypt, servicing Africa and the Middle East.

The head of the church and the See of Alexandria is the Patriarch of Alexandria on the Holy See of Saint Mark, who also carries the title of Coptic Pope. The See of Alexandria is titular, and today the Coptic Pope presides from Saint Mark's Coptic Orthodox Cathedral in the Abbassia District in Cairo.

The church follows the Alexandrian Rite for its liturgy, prayer and devotional patrimony. With approximately 10 million members worldwide, it is the country's largest Christian denomination.

According to its tradition, the Coptic Church was established by Saint Mark, an apostle and evangelist, during the middle of the 1st century (c. AD 42). Due to disputes concerning the nature of Christ, it split from the rest of Christendom after the Council of Chalcedon in AD 451, resulting in a rivalry with the Greek Orthodox Church of Alexandria.

In the 4–7th centuries the Coptic Church gradually expanded due to the Christianization of the Aksumite Empire (Ethiopia) and of two of the three Nubian kingdoms, Nobatia and Alodia, while the third Nubian kingdom, Makuria, recognized the Coptic patriarch after initially being aligned to the State church of the Roman Empire.

After AD 639 Egypt was ruled by its Islamic conquerors from Arabia, and the treatment of the Coptic Christians ranged from tolerance to open persecution.

In the 12th century, the church relocated its seat from Alexandria to Cairo. The same century also saw the Copts become a religious minority.

During the 14th and 15th centuries, Nubian Christianity was supplanted by Islam. In 1959, the Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church was granted autocephaly. This was extended to the Eritrean Orthodox Tewahedo Church in 1998 following the successful Eritrean War of Independence from Ethiopia.

Since the Arab Spring in 2011, the Copts have been suffering increased religious discrimination and violence.


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Najzanimljivija stvar oko Egipta mi je bila kad sam saznao da su Kopti zapravo Egipćani u Egiptu. A da ih tlače novopridošli Arapi, osvajači, agresori ili modernije izbjeglice i migranti.

Egipćani koji su postali manjina u vlastitoj zemlji i od tada trpe zlostavljanja, maltretiranje i diskriminaciju.

Za pouku svima.

Velika promjena kad preokreneš Egipćani napadaju Kopte u Egiptu u Arapi napadaju Egipćane u Egiptu.

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A pazi brane u Etiopiji :eek

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Teško uzimati stranu. Bez vode Egipat će crkavati od gladi a i žeđi moguće. Imaju pravo braniti taj svoj vitalan interes.
Izrael je okupirao sve strane jednog jezera zbog pitke vode i navodnjavanja.

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Egipat naručio još 30 Rafalea od Francuske povrh 24 koje imaju.

Sigurno je povezano. Etiopija se neće dobro provesti.

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Ovo je karta regije

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Ako vodu budu koristili za navodnjavanje, a ne samo za hidroenergiju, moglo bi se sa Nilom desiti isto što sa Aralskim jezerom.
Bez obzira što Nil ima dva kraka.

U tom slučaju Egipat po meni ima pravo vojne intervencije.

To je pitanje od vitalnog značaja, poput prolaska kroz Bospor, Gibraltar, Suez ili Panamu.

Npr. ne mogu Španjolska i Maroko tek tako zatrpati Gibraltar, ili napraviti elektranu na plimu i oseku na Gibraltaru.

Amerika bi intervenirala da Panama zabrani prolaz.

Znači, moraju to urediti međunarodnim sporazumom.

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Egipat naručio još 30 Rafalea od Francuske povrh 24 koje imaju.

Sigurno je povezano. Etiopija se neće dobro provesti.

Ovi su već instalirali PVO u blizini brane. Mada sumnjam da ce doci do bilo cega jer nije legitiman vojni cilj, i sumnjam da bi s egipat usudio da nesto pokusa.

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Taj problem je praktično neriješiv. Etiopija potrošila novac i prestiž jer im treba struja. A najveći problem regulacija razine vode u sušnim periodima. Šta se događa u sušnim periodima ? Ja, ako ste pogodili, svi razvale klima uređaje na max.

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Etiopija iskorištava činjenicu da je sila u odnosu na propali Sudan.

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Ako vodu budu koristili za navodnjavanje, a ne samo za hidroenergiju, moglo bi se sa Nilom desiti isto što sa Aralskim jezerom.
Bez obzira što Nil ima dva kraka.

U tom slučaju Egipat po meni ima pravo vojne intervencije.

To je pitanje od vitalnog značaja, poput prolaska kroz Bospor, Gibraltar, Suez ili Panamu.

Npr. ne mogu Španjolska i Maroko tek tako zatrpati Gibraltar, ili napraviti elektranu na plimu i oseku na Gibraltaru.

Amerika bi intervenirala da Panama zabrani prolaz.

Znači, moraju to urediti međunarodnim sporazumom.

Etiopija nema potrebe za vodu za navodnjavanje. Radi se ikljucivo o proizvodnji elektrice energije. Brana ce imati kapacitet za zadovoljiti potrebe 250 miliona ljudi, dok Etiopija ima duplo manje stanovnika.
Postoji vec sporazum u kojem egipat kontrolise 66% vode nila a Sudan 22%, Etipije nema u ovom sporazumu. Ono sto ce se vjerovatno desiti je novi sporazim koji ce ukljucivati i Etiopiju. Do vojne intervencije onda moze doci ako ne budu postovali sporazum. Jednom kad se akumulacija napuni, onda prestaje problem jer Etiopija i da hoce ne moze vise zadrzati tu vodu, tj nema potrebu za time. Problem je period neposredno nakon zavrsetka brane tj punjenje. 3 godine suse za Egipat ili jos 10-15 godina cekanja za Etiopiju zbog sporijeg punjenja. Naravno i nakon toga postoji mogucnost da Etiopljani postanu neposteni, pa puste vise da bi u vrijeme suse mogli zavrnuti ali to se rjesava sporazumima. Teško zauzet stranu ali mislim da svi imaju pravo koristiti vodu, dok ne oštećuju drugog. Sličan problem je postojao i u Zapadnoj Africi, kod Senegala, a rješen sporazumom gdje svi imaju benefite.

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Kažu da je Trump kriv. U jednom Tweet napisao da bi bilo najbolje da Egipat bombaridra i sruši branu.

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A neće koristit za navodnjavanje jer je to planinski kraj.

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Ako im Etiopija dozvoli da voda uopće dođe do njih. :zubati

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Ako im Etiopija dozvoli da voda uopće dođe do njih. :zubati


Egipat je pomorksa zemlja, ako se dobro povežu sa Saudima, tehnologija desalinizacije im omogućava navodnjavanje i bez Nila.

Egipat bi Saudijcima bio izvor radne snage i vojna podrška,tržište za energente, bila bi to jaka sunitska osovina mimo muslimanskog bratstva.

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Egipat obnavlja piramide, arheolozi, egiptolozi, znanstvenici na aparatima =))

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