Judeohrišćanska civilizacija?

Pa ovi tradicionalisti su isti kao i oni što slave sunce,mjesec,kamenje...Izmišljaju i bave se glupostima,a bitne stvari gube iz vida..

Jedno je dragi moj prijatelju poštovanje prirode, a nešto sasvim drugo sisanje krvi nakon obrezivanja.

Kako se ovaj ritual objašnjava?

Što se tebi dogodilo u 4 godine?

I, nisam promijenio da su najkretaivniji Grci, a da su
od sada živućih to Nijemci, Englezi i Francuzi, dok
su najdestruktivniji narod u povijesti Mongoli.

Pa ton je svakako oštriji. I ovo gore šta si napisao je realno dok na stranjskim stranicama nastupaš gotovo apologetski kad god pišeš o njima al to je pretpostavljam zbog okruženja koje je neobjektivno u mnogim stvarima.

Kad te čitam na engleskom mislim da to previše umanjuješ dok ovo stoji.

Mislim da jesu problem ali zato jer je liberalizam problem, a oni su najveći vjernici. Problem bi i bez njih postojao jer je dovoljno "kršćanskih" budala ali oni su možda prevaga koja na vagi preteže na tu stranu. Da ih nema mislim da bi problem postojao ali da bi druga strana imala moment i prevagnula dok je ovako suprotno.

Comments, taken as a whole, as usual: on the plus side, Communist atrocities & mass murder are graphically rendered; double standard hypocrisy & Judeomania of many dominant US (and Western) media are exposed. On the minus side (so to speak)- Jews are presented as some kind of human poison, a diabolical & naturally depraved "racial"/religious/cultural ethnicity bent on destroying everything White & European (broadly speaking). They are not only seething with- one could assume from many comments- hatred towards everything White/European; more, they're almost superhuman in their ability to deceive & create chaos and destruction among unsuspecting, good-hearted & naive "goyim". In sum: Satan incarnate. Of course- this is nonsense. But, this Judeophobic fantasy is perhaps an exaggeration of a natural aversion towards some forbidding aspects of collective Jewish behavior, particularly in the US: their clannishness, racialist roots of their religion & religious culture, a sense of election combined with aggressive, frequently virulent hostility toward traditional America. So, for the sins of a part of this ethnicity- all of them are blamed.

Gandhi was right: in the end, deceivers deceive only themselves. Jewish dummkopf libtards have been simultaneously boohooing about refugees policy in the land of plenty & trying to boot them out of Israel: http://forward.com/articles/182155/aust ... iles-jewi/ Results are predictable- they've created a mess for ordinary Israelis, who are fed up with libloons' policies, but are still mostly clueless & helpless : http://www.amren.com/news/2013/07/eritr ... -was-dead/

Ovo mi je zanimljivo. Stojiš kod toga da je značaj Grka neprikosnoveni broj 1?

Da im se nitko nije približio?

Mislim da bi objektivan osvrt na postignuća spomenutih naroda bio jako zanimljiv. Kao i komparacija.

Agreed, at least partially. More- very great number of posts here are, essentially, an effort to delineate a philosophy of history (which is a very, very non-scientific discipline, from St. Augustine and Gioacchino da Fiore to Vico, Hegel, Marx, Spengler and Toynbee) and interpret it through findings of genetics and social Darwinism, the latter being also non-scientific.

So, what is to be done ? In my humble opinion:

* "hard" sciences have not offered yet a plausible explanation of racial differences which could be- at least tenuously - interpreted as causes of cultural and other traits and disparities. Maybe it's impossible, I don't know. Maybe it can be done, but if yes, then in the future.
* if so, we can only rely on old approaches of combined history, geography, religion, historical demographics, economy,... And this approach says: West begins in the Greek miracle. Not in static Egypt, nor in later, rather slow witted but efficient Rome.

And what we have with old Greeks (aside from bisexuality) ?

1. the idea of man as a rational individual, frequently at war with gods
2. very developed abstract language which is still the source of neologisms in sciences (and sometimes arts)
3. democracy and other forms, but always questioning the forms of government
4. naval orientation, which helped foster expansion & questioning of dogmas
5. not very reverent approach to the tradition
6. population which is, although significant, not very big in numbers

In China, we have:

1. a civilization which is by its very nature land-oriented (although, of course, not land-locked)
2. conservative approach inherited from the Bronze Age, a refined "enlightened despotism"
3. general conservatism & unwillingness to search for "the new"
4. orientation towards practical, pragmatic and disregard for the abstract, which is seen in the structure of Chinese language (see Nakamura:
Ways of Thinking of Eastern Peoples)
5. too big population- China has always been ca. 15-25% of humankind

In sum, if we are talking about not just practical inventions, but instead of complete civilizational orientation which could create a modern world, Chinese were lacking in:

* abstraction
* orientation towards the future
* expansive disposition that comes from too many factors

I've read the entire Confucian corpus & Confucius is one of my cultural heroes. One of the few strong influences on my world-view. He was the first person to present human personality, with its idiosyncrasies, irony, humanism, righteousness, a sense of  transcendence combined with common sense to the world- and it was before ca. 2500 yrs.
In my mind, he is more alive than, say, Euripides or Parmenides.

That said:
* Confucius was clear about his mission. " I do not invent, but transmit." (quot from memory). Confucianism, both idealistic & naturalistic, somehow, due to this prevalence of conservatism, remained the strongest factor in molding China's tradition of self-sufficiency & ultimately stagnation. They lacked DYNAMISM.
* abstraction is the keystone of philosophy and science. Greeks had it & they questioned everything- nature of gods, human psychology, politics, metaphysics, ethics, aesthetics, ..they invented sciences, mathematical proof (no other civilization knew about mathematical proof), they mathematized cosmos (Pythagoras), integral calculus (Archimedes),..

Without abstract thought we wouldn't have magisterial works of Euclid, Ptolemy, Plato, Aristotle, ... We wouldn't have world-views we can find in ancient Greece:

* proto-fascism
* democracy
* communism
* feminism
* materialism
* skepticism
* idea of  the "Renaissance man"- this is Plato refurbished
* physical education
* universe as the intelligible & comprehensive whole
* atheism
* panentheism
* evolution
* mathematical mysticism
* idea of cosmopolitanism
* idea of abolition of slavery
* idea of free individual
* ...

The Chinese simply did not possess cultural atmosphere of expansion, restlessness etc. Greeks- ancient- were heroic & frequently tragic and passionate people. It isn't for nothing that Chinese keyword is "harmony" (with Dao, nature etc.). Western  way is that of conflict with nature, God or gods. Western way (or "Dao") is struggle.

In short- there was no Chinese Prometheus. And this-as a metaphor- has had deep historical consequences.

It seems to me that fundamental differences cannot be reconciled. I'll give a brief list.
1. much talk about IQ. A few points average Asians (East Asians, I think) above White average- and this still is a debatable- amount to- nothing. Freedom of spirit, individualism, capability-and passion- for abstract thought- this is what historical great non-Western civilizations (Egypt, Persia, China, India, Islam) did not possess.
2. low level of historical knowledge. Sorry to say, but most people here are historically illiterate. A few good/great books (Murray, Needham,..) had been mentioned, but deep studies of rise and fall of civilizations & economical & political histories are not what  most AmReners are acquainted with. Without Arnold Toynbee, George Sarton, Fernand Braudel, even Oswald Spengler (more as a provocation), Lewis Mumford, Jacob Burckhardt, Imre Lakatos, David C. Lindberg...- you're clueless.

For instance, try this: http://goo.gl/nfxt7

3. as for old times-Greek in ca. 400 yrs (600-200 B.C.) had done everything more than the rest of the world (Mesopotamia, India, China, Egypt, Persia, Americas, ..) in 3,000 yrs- in virtually every field of human endeavor (sciences, technology, arts, warfare, philosophy,..)- except religion.
4. after a slumber (collapse of Ancient world, plagues, solidification,..) Europe has, from ca. 1500 on, achieved the only global civilization, from alphabet & science discourse to clothing & manners.
5. and last two remarks:
a) technology is idolized here. Well, it cannot flourish without free inquisitive spirit & individualism, and, I might add, ethics of -at least partial- transcendence. Printing pres & steam machines are inextricably interwoven with novels & religious-political tracts and debates.
b) there is - I've already said- something Promethean about White European race, that forces her to go to the bottom of the ocean & to the farthest limits of universe. Indians with their caste system & release in transcendent bliss, Chinese with pragmatic ethicism, Muslims with dogmatic religious autism..all lack this.

Now, Jews, this old & talented ethno-religious group is in the great creative period of their existence, which lasts as yet ca. 150-200 years. Many other groups or peoples have had such periods- Italians, say, 1300-1600; English up and down, but let's take a look at 1550-1750 period. During that time, the English had produced: Tallis, Byrd, Purcell- composers, Boyle (Irish extraction)- father of chemistry, Shakespeare, Milton, Donne, ...-literature, Bacon, Hobbes, Locke, Berkeley-philosophy, Gilbert- discovered magnetism, Harvey- physiology, blood circulation, Newton- the greatest scientist ever, Halley- astronomy, Cavendish- physics & chemistry, discovered hydrogen, ..
So, just in this 200 years span the English had created enormously more than Jews in past 200 years. And- what does this have to do with IQ & other stuff ? Nothing.

Some peoples have given, in various periods of time, more or less important creative contribution to the world civilization. As I've said- I'm not impressed with some extraordinary "Ashkenazi intelligence". There is also enormous French intelligence, Russian intelligence, English intelligence, Swedish intelligence, Italian intelligence, German intelligence ... manifested in different historical periods.

Isto kao i ljubljenje kostiju,mošti,kako se već zove.Teološke zablude utkane u tradiciju.Gdje piše u Bibliji da se to radi?Rabin kaže-mi imamo usmenu Toru,dato nam je da sve tumačimo kako mi mislimo da treba,i onda imamo ovakve gluposti oko obrezivanja,vezanja cipela,pranja ruku...i s takvim stvarima tjeraju ljude od religije.

Jeruzalem, 2. prosinac 2013.

VELIK BROJ KRŠĆANSKIH USELJENIKA U SVETOJ ZEMLJI

U Izraelu trenutačno živi oko 200.000 radnika migranata i 55.000 azilanata, a većina njih su kršćani
Crkve u Svetoj zemlji posvećuju premalu pozornost kršćanskim migrantima, rekao je jeruzalemski patrijarhalni vikar o. David Neuhaus. Ti useljenici mogli bi pomoći u stvaranju nove slike o kršćanstvu u židovskom svijetu, izjavio je, kako prenosi njemačka katolička novinska agencija KNA, isusovac iz Južne Afrike, koji je zadužen za katolike s hebrejskoga govornog područja u Izraelu.

Prema Neuhausu, u Izraelu trenutačno živi oko 200.000 radnika migranata i 55.000 azilanata. Većina njih su kršćani. Nasuprot tome, broj autohtonih kršćana u Izraelu je oko 160.000.

Kršćanski migranti mogu živjeti bez stresa. Na njih se ne gleda negativno, kao što se gleda na europske kršćane u kontekstu holokausta, niti ih se doživljava neprijateljski, kao što se gleda na domaće arapske kršćane, rekao je Neuhaus govoreći o temi "Radnici migranti u Izraelu i njihov religijski svijet", na marginama susreta u organizaciji "Centra za židovsko-kršćanske odnose" (JCJCR) u Jeruzalemu.

Na susretu je govorila i stručnjakinja za Afriku Galia Sabar, predavačica u Tel Avivu. Govoreći o problemima afričkih useljenika istaknula je da od oko 55.000 afričkih useljenika koji žive u Izraelu, njih oko 80 posto dolaze iz Eritreje, a oko 15 posto iz Sudana i Južnog Sudana. (kta/ika)

Izrael i Hrvatska => rezultati na PISA (Programme for International Student Assessment) testu 2009.

matematika
Hrvatska - 460
Izrael ----- 447

znanosti
Hrvatska - 486
Izrael ----- 455

čitanje
Hrvatska - 476
Izrael ----- 474

Izvori:
1.) Sažetak - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programme_for_International_Student_Assessment
2.) Interaktivni podatci - http://www.statsilk.com/maps/pisa-programme-international-student-assessment-interactive-world-map

BiH nije sudjelovala u testiranju.