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Zar ne znate nešto konkretno o životu ljudi u Kini reći. Uvijek neka apstraktna geo-politika.


Evo o svakodnevnom zivotu based Han bratina, specijalno za BBC, :drool

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Koje gradove Kine, osim Šangaja i Pekinga, znate nabrojati ?

U našoj kulturi nijedan grad (osim ova dva) nije poznat, do te mjere da nemamo domaće nazive za kineske gradove, osim za ova dva grada.

Evo treći poznati grad je možda Wuhan, radi korone. I naravno Hong Kong koji je tek pripojen.

Recimo, nitko ne zna kako bi se trebalo transliterirati, niti postoji ujednačeni standard kojeg bi svi mediji koristili, za gradove Chongqing ili Jieshou.

Znači, čuli smo za nekakvu Pretoriju u Južnoj Africi, ili Vankuver u Kanadi koji nema ni milijun stanovnika, pa čak i pojedine japanske gradove kao što je Osaka ili Saporo, a ne znamo 10 puta veće kineske gradove. Doduše, može nam se progledati kroz prste jer su to novi gradovi.

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To će tako funkcionirati i Kinezi će grabiti bez odgovora zapada dok ne pretjeraju i prijeđu crvenu liniju.


Ništa nisu uradili osim umjetnih otoka i uzimanja teritorijalne vode. A na tom istom mjestu Vijetnam je prvi sa tim sranjem počeo prije nekoliko desetljeća, istu stvar uradio.
Javi se mami da ti da za kavu i ne širi laži u virtuali. Provjeravaj svoje podatke.

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Koje gradove Kine, osim Šangaja i Pekinga, znate nabrojati ?

U našoj kulturi nijedan grad (osim ova dva) nije poznat, do te mjere da nemamo domaće nazive za kineske gradove, osim za ova dva grada.

Evo treći poznati grad je možda Wuhan, radi korone. I naravno Hong Kong koji je tek pripojen.

Recimo, nitko ne zna kako bi se trebalo transliterirati, niti postoji ujednačeni standard kojeg bi svi mediji koristili, za gradove Chongqing ili Jieshou.


Chengdu, Macau, Kunming, znam i neke provincije...

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Ja znam da imaju mentalitet kao ljudi u ikomunizmu u Jugoslaviji. Nisu toliko kolektivni i poslušni ali rado poslušaju, jer moraju. I rado će zajebati državu za novac ili materijal.
Ljudi ih miješaju sa svjesnim Japancima. Kinezi nisu ni blizu takvi. Ali jesu nacionalisti, bez obzira na vladajuću ideologiju. I tu jesu kolektiv jak.

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Dva grada na jugozapadu Kine koji imaju svaki duplo više stanovnika od jugoslavije i BDP veći od cijelog balkana
Chongqing i Chengdu. Gledao sam dokumentarac o njima. Predivni gradovi baš. Volio bi ih posjetit više nego onaj smog na istočnoj obali.
Znam da su nepoznati ali Kina ima desetke gradova većih od Hrvatske za koje nitko nije čuo

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Zadnjih godina sam primjetio da rado stave Made in China na svoje produkte jer se time sad ponose. Prije su se sramili zbog loše kvalitete. Kako su unaprijedili kvalitet taj kompleks više nemaju i ponosni su na to šta proizvode.
I rado stave manual sa prvim jezikom kineskim, ili počesto sa jedinim jezikom. Do prije nekih 10-15 godina to je bila skoro nezamisliva stvar ako produkt ide na strano tržište. Jednostavno ih bilo sram jer su mislili, i znali, da prave nekvalitetne stvari, ali više ne.

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Chengdu
16 milijuna stanovnika

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Predložite domaće nazive za ovih 8 gradova u Kini, sa TOP 10 liste (preskačem prva dva, znamo koja su).

I Kinezi za naše države daju nazive koji zvuče kao određene kineske riječi, pri čemu ih boli briga je li njihovo shvaćanje izgovora točno :zubati , ili što nazivi država u originalnim jezicima znače. :zubati

1. Chongqing
2. Tianjin
3. Guangzhou
4. Shenzhen
5. Chengdu
6. Nanjing
7. Wuhan
8. Xi'an

1. Čongi
2. Kineski Brod
3. Jangce Grad (krivo vidjeli na karti da Jangce rijeka tuda prolazi, zajeb, ali naziv se ukorijenio šta se može)
4. Šećerni Grad
5. Čanak
6. Kineski Nikšić
7. Vukan
8. Šijan

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Predložite domaće nazive za ovih 8 gradova u Kini, sa TOP 10 liste (preskačem prva dva, znamo koja su).

I Kinezi za naše države daju nazive koji zvuče kao određene kineske riječi, pri čemu ih boli briga je li njihovo shvaćanje izgovora točno :zubati , ili što nazivi država u originalnim jezicima znače. :zubati

1. Chongqing
2. Tianjin
3. Guangzhou
4. Shenzhen
5. Chengdu
6. Nanjing
7. Wuhan
8. Xi'an

1. Čongi
2. Kineski Brod
3. Jangce Grad (krivo vidjeli na karti da Jangce rijeka tuda prolazi, zajeb, ali naziv se ukorijenio šta se može)
4. Šećerni Grad
5. Čanak
6. Kineski Nikšić
7. Vukan
8. Šijan



Kad već pominješ Nikšić... Stavljao je već jedan kako zvučati gradovi u CG kad ih zbog duga Kinezi uzmu =)) :




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Koje gradove Kine, osim Šangaja i Pekinga, znate nabrojati ?

U našoj kulturi nijedan grad (osim ova dva) nije poznat, do te mjere da nemamo domaće nazive za kineske gradove, osim za ova dva grada.

Evo treći poznati grad je možda Wuhan, radi korone. I naravno Hong Kong koji je tek pripojen.

Recimo, nitko ne zna kako bi se trebalo transliterirati, niti postoji ujednačeni standard kojeg bi svi mediji koristili, za gradove Chongqing ili Jieshou.

Znači, čuli smo za nekakvu Pretoriju u Južnoj Africi, ili Vankuver u Kanadi koji nema ni milijun stanovnika, pa čak i pojedine japanske gradove kao što je Osaka ili Saporo, a ne znamo 10 puta veće kineske gradove. Doduše, može nam se progledati kroz prste jer su to novi gradovi.


znam za Shenzhen zbog posla, grad od 20 milijuna stanovnika i onda nedavno saznam da je to eksperimentalna poslovna zona s kojom je Kina krenula u kapitalizam, neko malo seoce nadomak Hong-Konga. sad se praktički stopilo s Hong-Kongom.

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inače, ne mogu opisati koliko me ne zanimaju njihova kultura i gradovi, međutim to se ne odnosi samo na njih, općenito na Aziju.

zapravo, ne dodiruje me ništa što nije europsko, dakle Amerika i Australija mogu proći.

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Nanjing je prilično poznat, zbog svoje povijesti prije svega, a danas zbog gospodarstva.

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Kinezi zatvorili milijun muslimana i uništili 16.000 džamija

Malo života iz gradžanske Kine u kojoj vlada demokratska gradžanska većina.

Džamija? Toga tu nema...

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Džamija u gradu Qira skrivena je iza visokih zidova na kojima su oblijepljeni plakati Kineske komunističke partije. Četiri visoka minareta koji se još uvijek mogu vidjeti na javno dostupnim satelitskim snimkama više se ne nadvisuju nad ulicama, a umjesto središnje kupole može se vidjeti plava metalna kocka.

Ubrzo nakon što se Reutersova ekipa približila nekadašnjoj džamiji, četvorica muškaraca u civilnoj odjeći obavijestili su ih kako je fotografiranje zabranjeno, te da moraju napustiti tu lokaciju. “Ovdje nema nikakve džamije,” kazao je jedan od muškaraca. “Ovdje nikad nije bilo džamije.”


‘Neka se mole kod kuće!‘

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Džamije porušene na sebi su imale znakove na kojima je pisalo da se vjernici moraju registrirati, te da je građanima iz drugih dijelova pokrajine, strancima te mlađima od 18 zabranjen ulaz. Pored džamija nalazile su se sigurnosne kamere koje snimaju posjetitelje, a pored džamija nalaze se kineske zastave i plakati koji pozivaju na odanost Komunističkoj partiji.

U razgovoru sa pripadnicom Han većine, koja se u grad Hotan u Xinjiangu doselila prije šest godina iz središnje Kine, reporteri su čuli kako muslimani koji se žele moliti mogu to činiti kod kuće.

Što se tiče onih koji svoju vjeru žele prakticirati u džamijama, “takvih muslimana više ovdje nema,” kazala je žena. “Život u Xinjiangu je prekrasan,”

U gradu Changji uklonjeno 31 minareta i 12 zlatnih ili zelenih kupola od 2018. Na nekoliko džamija, islamska arhitektura je uklonjena i zamijenjena tradicionalnim kineskim krovovima.

Nakon pregledavanja oko 900 lokacija u Xinjiangu, da je oko 16.000 džamija djelomično ili potpuno uništeno u protekle tri godine.


Gradžanski Kina bez nacionalnih torova i aparthejda manjine nad većinom

Ispred urušene džamije Xinqu u gradu Urumqiju, stoji natpis na kojem se najavljuje skora izgradnja stambenog kompleksa. Na znaku je i moto: “Za etničko jedinstvo, izgradite prekrasni Xinjiang!”

Zamolio bi naše komšije gradžane da kažu kako im se sviđa gradžanska Kina bez nacionalnih torova?

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Kada smo već kod Kine, predviđa se da će do kraja stoljeća biti zemlja sa najvećim brojem kršćana na svijetu. Već sada ima oko 100 milijuna što katolika što protestanata. I taj broj se sve više ubrzano povećava.


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Dok sankcioniraju kineske firme bez ijednog dokaza oni ovo rade desetljećima, dokazano.
I zapadni mainstream mediji neće o ovome izvjestiti jer je 90% njih već CIA sučelje za odnose sa javnosti. Ima li HRT muda o ovome javiti ? Čisto hipotetsko pitanje. Možda se ovi aparati koriste i u Hrvatskoj, jako je velika šansa da je to tako.

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CIA spying scandal in Switzerland shows the best way for intelligence services to read your messages is to OWN the platform

14 May, 2021 11:21

The CIA’s role in the Crypto AG case makes clear that spies don’t need a way into messaging apps, but a secret bird’s-eye view from the word go. This is far more effective than any ‘backdoor’ foreign powers may have access to.
On May 12, the head of Switzerland’s federal intelligence service (Nachrichtendienst des Bundes, NDB), Jean-Philippe Gaudin, announced his resignation.

Local media reports say Gaudin’s departure stems from a falling-out with Defense Minister Viola Amherd over his handling of the Crypto AG scandal – namely, he failed to inform her about the affair until it was already public knowledge.

In February 2020, it was revealed that the company, which produced encryption machines for use by foreign governments, was secretly bought in 1970 and controlled thereafter by the US Central Intelligence Agency and West Germany’s Bundesnachrichtendienst. This connivance meant the pair – and by extension the US National Security Agency (NSA) and its UK counterpart and close collaborator, Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ) – could easily decode any messages sent on Crypto AG’s devices.

Allegations that the company was compromised to some degree by Western intelligence had swirled for many years prior. In March 1992, suspicions to this effect on the part of Iranian intelligence led to the arrest of Crypto AG salesman Hans Buehler in Tehran. Completely unaware of his employer’s ultimate owners, the luckless staffer was nonetheless detained and interrogated for nine months, only being released after the company paid a $1 million ransom.

However, the extent of the infiltration came as a shock even to those who’d long suspected the NSA had somehow managed to crack Crypto AG’s coding. The exposure also sparked intense outcry in Switzerland, with citizens so appalled that their allegedly neutral country had been exploited in this manner, the parliament’s intelligence oversight committee launched an official probe into the matter.

It issued a final report in November 2020, and the document is rife with bombshell disclosures. For example, it notes that Swiss domestic security service Strategischer Nachrichtendienst (SND) had, since late 1993, been well aware that Crypto AG was owned by foreign intelligence agencies. Sometime later, after fruitlessly attempting to crack the company’s encryption codes, the CIA granted it formal access to all communications harvested by the company’s machines.

In return, the SND kept the ruse a very well-kept secret, hiding it even from other Swiss spying agencies, and the government. The NDB was created in 2010, and its first director was completely in the dark throughout their tenure. It was only in summer 2019, a year after Crypto AG’s closure, that Jean-Philippe Gaudin commissioned a positioning paper on the company. It’s uncertain when and how he learned about its American owners prior.

Still, once the review was complete, the NDB chief declined to investigate any further, didn’t seek to clarify the legality of the set-up, and apparently didn’t consider the political implications if it was exposed, instead downplaying the relevance of the discovery. One reason for this inaction is hinted at in a separate section of the report, which notes that while a company and/or individual assisting a foreign intelligence service in operations targeted overseas is a criminal offense, such activities are permissible if the foreign agency’s collection of information is conducted in concert with the NDB.

In other words, Gaudin may have been considering getting in on a similar act, or knew the NDB was already reaping intelligence from another front company, and didn’t want to disturb a mutually beneficial covert relationship. That Switzerland is an attractive location for Western spies to set up such entities was noted by the committee. As companies and organizations operating on Swiss soil benefit from the country’s image as a neutral state, “foreign intelligence services may have an interest to operate under the guise of a Swiss company to the detriment of other countries.”

Fittingly, the same month the committee’s report dropped, it emerged that one of Crypto AG’s key national competitors, Omnisec AG, was also a front for US intelligence. The NSA inserted backdoors into all the firm’s voice, fax and data encryption equipment, which were duly bought by a number of governments, including Switzerland’s own, and UBS, the country’s largest bank.

National governments being entirely ignorant of what their constituent security services are actually getting up to in the shadows is nothing new. For instance, David Lange, New Zealand’s prime minister between 1984 and 1989, was completely unaware throughout his time in government that his country formed part of ECHELON, a global surveillance network led by the NSA and GCHQ that collects every phone call, text message, and email transmitted the world over.

“It is an outrage that I and other ministers were told so little, and this raises the question of to whom those concerned saw themselves ultimately answerable,” he has since said.

A vital question for sure, but an equally grave riddle raised by the Crypto AG furore is, to what extent are encrypted communications services ever truly secure? Although in recent years there has been much mainstream alarmism about the Chinese government potentially inserting backdoors into all Beijing-made hardware exported abroad, as the Swiss company’s case underlines, Western intelligence has clearly long possessed a far more effective, direct means of spying on sensitive foreign communications.

This is especially relevant when one considers that two of the world’s premier ‘anonymizing’ platforms, internet browser Tor and encrypted messaging app Signal, have received extensive funding, support, and promotion from the US government.

The former was first developed by US Naval Research Laboratory employees in the mid-1990s, and quickly caught the attention of the Defense and Research Projects Agency (DARPA). Ever since, Tor has almost entirely bankrolled by assorted state agencies, including the Pentagon, to the tune of tens of millions.

The browser’s original purpose was to shield spies in the field from detection, by insulating them from the open web. However, Tor’s backers well understood that if only US agents used the system, their activities would be all too easily tracked if a hostile foreign intelligence service managed to tap into it – hence, the browser was “democratized” to allow average citizens access.

Tor is supported by the Open Technology Fund (OTF), launched in 2012 by Radio Free Asia, an asset of the US Agency for Global Media (USAGM), which receives $637 million annually from Congress. In August 2018, USAGM’s then-CEO acknowledged the outlet’s priorities “reflect US national security interests.” OTF also provided $2,955,000 to Signal between 2013 and 2016, in order to ensure access to the app “at no cost around the globe.”

Strikingly, documents leaked by Edward Snowden in 2013 revealed that the NSA and GCHQ devote considerable time and resources to identifying ways of de-anonymizing Tor users, while also going to great pains to ensure people aren’t discouraged from using the browser.

One leaked file – titled ‘Tor: Overview of Existing Techniques’ – reveals that the agencies attempt to direct traffic toward NSA-operated servers, attack other software used by Tor users, and even undertake efforts to influence Tor’s future development.

It’s unclear to what extent those endeavors have been successful in the years since, and how the development of Tor – if not other encrypted messaging platforms – has been impacted as a result. However, in a perverse irony, Snowden’s exposure of mass global surveillance by GCHQ and the NSA mass global surveillance programs led to a significant increase in the number of people using the browser, and apps like Signal, meaning anyone and everyone with something or other to hide is now congregated on a number of central networks – in turn, making identifying who they are and what they’re doing all the easier.

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China has landed its first rover on Mars — here’s what happens next

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01301-7

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Ajmo Dodrinasi i Mujguri kmeka! :crying

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China is not breaking stride. It is investing 8 per cent more each year in education.

China already accounts for a quarter of the world’s STEM workforce. Its science investment is almost on par with that of the United States and rising at an annual rate of 10 per cent as America’s falls.

Its infrastructure is universally envied. China accounts for 30 per cent of global manufactures, versus America’s 16 per cent, and the gap is growing. It became the world’s largest consumer market in 2020.

Its economy is ferociously competitive. China has many problems, but it has its act together and appears on top of them.

Washington ups its defence budget to make its ability to overwhelm China more credible. Yet, in the long run, the US cannot outspend China militarily and cannot hope to beat it on its home ground.



https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/co ... a-14809012

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Without exception, countries want multilateral backing to cope with the challenge, not unilateral US confrontation.

They want to accommodate China on terms that maximise their sovereignties, not make China an enemy.

If the United States persists in confrontation, it will find itself increasingly isolated. Given the state of US democracy, if its China policy is defined as a moral effort, most other nations will be alienated, not attracted.

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Gasi mešalicu, motaj kablove, čisti mistrije i peri civare:


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Are Chinese people falling out of love with the Western dream?


https://amp.scmp.com/news/china/politic ... tern-dream

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China offers to host Israeli-Palestinian peace talks


https://amp.scmp.com/news/china/diploma ... eace-talks

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US-China tech war: Beijing's secret chipmaking champions


https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/The-B ... -champions

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I sta reci posle ovog hejterima? :D

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Moja neostvarena zelja je da me masira par mladih kineskinja i da su 80% svih kineza penzioneri iznad 70 godina.

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Kinezi diž igru na viši nivo!

https://tribun.hr/zidovi-bijesni-jer-je ... yMZJMBcaEE

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