Lukašenko detaljno prepričao pregovore s Putinom i Prigožinom

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Otkrio dosta detalja, nikakva smjena Šojgua i Gerasimova nije dogovorena niti bi Putin pristao na to.
Svi koji su sudjelovali u maršu prema Moskvi će biti izgnani u Bjelorusiju.

Po ovom Putin je stvarno visio o koncu, kaže Lukašenko da je pobunjenike čekalo samo 10 000 vojnika, od toga dobar dio kadeta i vojnog osoblja kremlja.

Lukašenko detaljno prepričao pregovore s Putinom i Prigožinom

https://www.zabranjeni.url/vijesti/svijet/ ... a-15349715

Otkrio dosta detalja, nikakva smjena Šojgua i Gerasimova nije dogovorena niti bi Putin pristao na to.
Svi koji su sudjelovali u maršu prema Moskvi će biti izgnani u Bjelorusiju.

Po ovom Putin je stvarno visio o koncu, kaže Lukašenko da je pobunjenike čekalo samo 10 000 vojnika, od toga dobar dio kadeta i vojnog osoblja kremlja.

Inace, ova Wagnerova avantura usred rata, u Rusiji se uporedjivala sa Oktobarskom revolucijom usred 1.s.r. uz ocenu da se radi o istom zabadanju noza u ledja.
Tako da smo dobili dobru tekovinu nedavnog dogadjaja: o OR se u Rusiji govori kao o necemu losem.

No ovi dogadjaji opet bacaju lose svjetlo na Rusiju i stanje u redovima njezine politicke elite. Kako je moguce da jedan idiot poput Prigozina postaje lice tako vazne vojne komponente u sastavu ruskih snaga? Prigozin je vise puta osudjivani kriminalac i "kontroverzni biznismen." To je poznato jos od vremena dok je postojao Sovjetski savez. Kakvim je to ljudima okruzen Putin? Ako se boris protiv mafije i oligarhije, koja je Rusiju 90ih zavila u crno, ne cinis usluge Prigozinu i slicnima, jer ces s jedne strane u ocima javnosti izgledati nevjerodostojno (ogroman broj ruske populacije van vecih centara korupciju jos uvijek osjeti na svojoj kozi), dok s druge sam sebi postepeno kopas jamu.

WSJ NEWS EXCLUSIVE

Wagner’s Prigozhin Planned to Capture Russian Military Leaders

Western intelligence officials say Russian domestic intelligence agency learned of plot in advance

Mercenary leader Yevgeny Prigozhin planned to capture Russia’s military leadership as part of last weekend’s mutiny, Western officials said, and he accelerated his plans after the country’s domestic intelligence agency became aware of the plot.

The plot’s premature launch was among the factors that could explain its ultimate failure after 36 hours, when Prigozhin called off an armed march on Moscow that had initially faced little resistance.

Prigozhin originally intended to capture Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu and Gen. Valery Gerasimov, the chief of Russia’s general staff, during a visit to a southern region that borders Ukraine that the two were planning. But the Federal Security Service, or FSB, found out about the plan two days before it was to be executed, according to Western officials.

Gen. Viktor Zolotov, commander of the National Guard of Russia, a domestic military force that reports directly to President Vladimir Putin, also said authorities knew about Prigozhin’s intentions before he launched his attempt.

“Specific leaks about preparations for a rebellion that would begin between June 22-25 were leaked from Prigozhin’s camp,” Zolotov told state media on Tuesday.

Western intelligence agencies also found out early about the plans by Prigozhin, Putin’s former confidant, by analyzing electronic communications intercepts and satellite imagery, according to a person familiar with the findings. Western officials said they believe the original plot had a good chance of success but failed after the conspiracy was leaked, forcing Prigozhin to improvise an alternative plan.

Still, the intelligence raises questions about the extent of Putin’s authority after Moscow failed to prevent Wagner troops from marching almost all the way to Moscow despite the Kremlin’s knowledge of the conspiracy, people familiar with the matter said.

Prigozhin’s plot relied on his belief that a part of Russia’s armed forces would join the rebellion and turn against their own commanders, according to this intelligence. The preparations included amassing large amounts of ammunition, fuel and hardware including tanks, armored vehicles and sophisticated mobile air defenses days before the attack, according to Western intelligence findings.

Made aware of the leak, Prigozhin was then forced to act sooner than planned on Friday and managed to capture the southern Russian city of Rostov, a key command point for the invasion of Ukraine. The ease with which Wagner’s troops took the city of one million that is home to a large military airport suggests that some regular forces commanders could have been part of the plot, according to Western intelligence.

Western officials said they believe Prigozhin had communicated his intentions to senior military officers, possibly including Gen. Sergei Surovikin, commander of the Russian aerospace force. It couldn’t be determined whether Surovikin passed this information on to the FSB, or how the agency found out about Prigozhin’s plans.

Surovikin was the first senior commander to condemn the plot on Friday and urge Prigozhin to stop his men. Forces under Surovikin’s command carried out airstrikes on the Wagner column, the only such attack by regular troops against the insurrectionists.

Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov dismissed the reports about Surovikin, published earlier by the New York Times, as speculation and gossip in a press conference on Wednesday.

Videos posted online by local reporters and bystanders showed Wagner vehicles bypassing barricades of buses and streaming into Rostov early Saturday morning. Prigozhin appeared in footage as he entered the headquarters of Russia’s Southern Military District, berating Russia’s deputy minister of defense, Yunus-Bek Yevkurov, and the deputy head of the Russian military intelligence, Lt. Gen. Vladimir Alekseyev.

After taking the command point without facing resistance, Prigozhin split his forces and ordered a few thousand men to head to Moscow while he commanded the rebellion from a bunker in Rostov, hoping that regular forces would join his quest to topple the military leadership.

The plot would likely have ended in an armed standoff in Moscow if Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko hadn’t offered to mediate, according to the Western intelligence analysis.

Lukashenko suggested hosting Wagner in his country, partly to bolster his own security against possible encroachment by Russia, according to Western intelligence. Putin has long sought to absorb Belarus into the Russian Federation.

The permanent stationing of Wagner troops agreed as part of the deal to defuse the crisis is meant to serve as Lukashenko’s personal security guarantee, Western intelligence said they believe.

Wagner troops faced little pushback on their way to Moscow. There is no evidence that any regular forces switched sides to join them.

The Wagner rebellion has triggered large-scale purges in the Russian armed forces, according to Mikhail Zvinchuk, a former Defense Ministry official who now runs a blog about Russia’s military and its invasion of Ukraine.

The indecisiveness in suppressing the rebellion is being cited as a reason for purging commanders and officials, Zvinchuk wrote. Surovikin hasn’t been seen since Saturday.

Nisam rekao da će se povuć sad, nego su izbori sljedeće ljeto, čisto sumnjam da će se ponovo kandidirat.

Medvedev nije realna opcija, već je bio zamjenio Putina pa se ovaj morao vraćat jer je Medved pjevao kako zapad svira.

Putinu je važno da ga naslijedi netko tko neće provjeravat šta je on radio niti mu se osvećivat.
Nariškin mu je pri ruci malo mlađi od njega taman da odradi jedan mandat da se situacija konsolidira i ne nađe se neki bolji kandidat.

Prigožin ako poživi do izbora bit će kandidat 99% na izborima.

Šta je sa Dimitrijem Rogozinom? Pričalo se ranije da je on viđen za naslednika.

Sve su to legitimni kandidati, kao i ovaj premijer Mikhael (zaboravio sam mu prezime)

Al gledajući iz naše perspektive, zamisli da si protukandidat
- načelniku tajne službe (nisam siguran, al mislim da 20.000 ljudi radi u SVR-u)
- vlasniku privatne vojske sa 25.000 vojnika, koji je pokušao napravit puč.

Mislim da bi 3 puta razmislio hoćeš li se kandidirart.

Nakon ovog puča postavlja se još jedno realno pitanje, da li oligarhe ubijao Putin jer su se oteli kontroli ili možda Prigožin jer mu nisu plaćali wagner za rat ??

Stvarno mislite da bi Putin Prigožinu dopustio kandidaturu nakon ovoga?
Kandidat za nasljednika će biti netko iz vojske ili FSB-s tko se istakne u ratu.