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Naslov: Re: Rat u Ukrajini - vojni aspekt Postano: 26 srp 2022, 15:42 |
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Pridružen/a: 02 stu 2018, 14:21 Postovi: 4112
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Mar-kan je napisao/la: BBC je napisao/la: Jedan kijevski kolumnist na Facebook napisao da bi trebali prestati prisilno mobilizirati ljude ako ovi to neće i nek maltretiraju profesionalne vojnike i dragovoljce. Kaže civili plaćaju poreze i nisu trenirani da se tuku sa Rusima. Iznenadio se odgovorima. Odprilike 9 od 10 Ukrajinaca se slaže sa njim iako im puna usta "Slava Ukraini". Što ima tu čudno? DR je iznesen na leđima malog broja dragovoljaca i profesionalaca. Dobrovoljci i profesionalci su dovoljni za privremenu obranu, no nisu dovoljni za dobiti rat. Bez mobilizacije ne možeš dobiti rat.
_________________ Slava Ukrajini!
Nema predaje!
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Naslov: Re: Rat u Ukrajini - vojni aspekt Postano: 26 srp 2022, 15:50 |
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Pridružen/a: 20 sij 2012, 13:49 Postovi: 10045 Lokacija: Usa
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sad je i zvanicno, elektrana Vuglegorsk u ruskim rukama
cekamo slike iz Bahmuta i okolice
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Naslov: Re: Rat u Ukrajini - vojni aspekt Postano: 26 srp 2022, 21:07 |
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Naslov: Re: Rat u Ukrajini - vojni aspekt Postano: 26 srp 2022, 22:01 |
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Pridružen/a: 08 lip 2021, 16:54 Postovi: 5615
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ShahidMaker je napisao/la: Rusija je pomagala razvoj iranskih BPL, cuj kupili od Irana Ne samo da je pomogla, vec je direktan partner 50-50.
_________________ Srbija je vazda ratovala protiv najjacih imperija, Otomanska, Austro Ugarska, Hitlerova Nemacka, NATO pakt.
A njene komsije, najveca imperija protiv koje su ratovali, je Srbija.
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Naslov: Re: Rat u Ukrajini - vojni aspekt Postano: 26 srp 2022, 23:48 |
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Pridružen/a: 05 lis 2010, 12:48 Postovi: 109320 Lokacija: Županija Herceg-Bosna
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Ivan i Niko kod Kramatorska, živi za sad. Možda taj drugi nije naš (Nico). Uskoro ćemo o njima čitati, ništa dobrog. Ivan izgleda kao materijal da smiri Wagner i Spetsnaz. Bio je predobar prije rata dok su Ukrajinci tamburali.
_________________ Spetsnaz, a force for good.
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Naslov: Re: Rat u Ukrajini - vojni aspekt Postano: 27 srp 2022, 16:06 |
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Pridružen/a: 14 sij 2022, 10:12 Postovi: 562
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_________________ Može se očekivati da će takva odluka rasplamsati nacionalističke, protuzapadne i militarističke tendencije u ruskom mišljenju..." https://www.nytimes.com/1997/02/05/opinion/a-fateful-error.html
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Naslov: Re: Rat u Ukrajini - vojni aspekt Postano: 27 srp 2022, 16:11 |
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Pridružen/a: 03 svi 2009, 15:45 Postovi: 33089
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Naslov: Re: Rat u Ukrajini - vojni aspekt Postano: 27 srp 2022, 23:30 |
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Pridružen/a: 05 lis 2010, 12:48 Postovi: 109320 Lokacija: Županija Herceg-Bosna
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Sve više se u ruskom vrhu sa obje strane priča o potrebi da se navali na Nikolaev i Odessu.
_________________ Spetsnaz, a force for good.
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Naslov: Re: Rat u Ukrajini - vojni aspekt Postano: 27 srp 2022, 23:32 |
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Pridružen/a: 05 lis 2010, 12:48 Postovi: 109320 Lokacija: Županija Herceg-Bosna
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Citat: Russian air defense systems in Ukraine have surpassed themselves
July 26, 2022, 11:12 Photo: Cyril Kukhmar / TASS Text: Rafael Fakhrutdinov
The special operation taking place in Ukraine revealed one of the main advantages of the Russian military machine - the perfect means of air defense and missile defense. Domestic anti-aircraft missile systems did not just confirm their characteristics, their capabilities were even higher than expected. This was especially evident in the results of attacks by American missiles on Russian objects.
The Ukrainian military intends to use the American multiple launch rocket systems (RSZO) HIMARS instead of the Soviet systems “Point-U”, which are very few. This was stated by the head of the Main Directorate of Intelligence (GUR) of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine Kirill Budanov in a comment by The Washington Post, which was quoted on Monday TASS. A day earlier, the head of the office of the President of Ukraine Andrei Ermak said: according to the results. meetings American congressmen with Vladimir Zelensky announced US plans to transfer to Kiev up to thirty HIMARS complexes and universal MLRS launchers (Multiple Launch Rocket System).
But as indicated The Washington Post, the American side has not yet sent more modern types of weapons to Kiev - in Washington they want to watch how Ukrainians use funds from their arsenals in practice. “There are some means that, as the president made it clear, he is not ready to provide. Among them are ATACMS long-range missiles, which have a range of 300 kilometers, ”transmits RIA «News»The words of adviser Joe Biden on national security Jake Sullivan. ATACMS missiles can be equipped with HIMARS complexes, but deliveries to Ukraine are limited to controlled rockets with a range of 80 kilometers - cheaper and more available.
At the same time, recall that, by data The Russian Ministry of Defense, from July 5 to 20, during a special operation in Ukraine, four launchers and one HIMARS transport and charging machine were destroyed. As for the effectiveness of rocket launches of American RSZOs, the portal reports Ukraine.ru, Of the 12 missiles fired on the night of July 21 along the Antonovsky bridge over the Dnieper in Kherson, all were shot down by Russian air defense installations.
Thus, the supply of even the most modern American missile systems is largely useless for Ukraine due to the highest degree of effectiveness of Russian missile defense systems (ABM). This is confirmed by military experts. “The successful combat use of Russian air defense and missile defense in a full-fledged military conflict confirmed the status of Russia as one of the leaders in the air defense systems market,” Sergey Denisentsev, expert at the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies (CAST), told the newspaper VZGLYAD.
Earlier developments also proved to be effective - S-300V and S-300P complexes (first adopted in the 1980s and 1970s), and Buk air defense systems, which are also used since the early 1980s. One of the main tools of air defense during the special operation was also the Panzir-C1 short-range complex, which showed exceptional efficiency against UAVs, but also against enemy missiles.
“Of the fired HIMARS missiles and Soviet“ Point-U ”, which Ukraine has a lot of and which the APU constantly uses, there is a generally small percentage. This suggests that our air defense systems have shown themselves well in the current special operation, ”Denisensev emphasizes. According to experts, effective interception became possible under four conditions: the correct placement of missile systems, a sufficient cover density, the competent use of complexes and the effective detection of enemy objects.
It is also important that Russian missile defense systems and air defense systems have demonstrated effectiveness in conditions where the enemy massively uses unmanned aerial vehicles and artillery missile weapons, the interlocutor notes. Russian anti-aircraft missile systems have to deal not so much with small attacks by the Ukrainian Air Force as with drones and with ground-to-ground systems. The Soviet RSZO Grad, Smerch and Hurricane and the operational-tactical missile systems (TOPK-U) are replaced by the aforementioned American HIMARS and MLRS .
Thus, for the first time in many decades, the Russian school for the creation and application of air defense and missile defense systems has undergone real baptism of fire, and in conditions not previously known. Western analogues did not have similar conditions of application, Denisensev noted. This matters not only in terms of confirming the characteristics of technology, but also as the most important experience for the further development of missile defense systems. This experience is gained by both the military, directly using missile defense systems on the battlefield, and the developers.
“Israeli stories of interceptions of missiles and shells flying from the Gaza Strip and the West Bank are not good. The specificity is that everything flies there at a very small interval. In addition, there have been no mass attacks for a long time, and certainly this cannot be compared with the current hostilities in Ukraine, ”the military analyst said. For comparison, the US Patriot air defense systems have experience opposing only the single launches of Iraqi ballistic missiles during the 1991 Desert Storm operation or equally sporadic missile attacks by Yemeni Hussite rebels on targets in Saudi Arabia.
Moreover, experts note that in the practical application our missile systems significantly exceeded the tactical and technical characteristics that were set when creating these systems. This refers primarily to the effectiveness of ballistic defeat.
Of course, air defense and missile defense systems are traditionally a strong side of the domestic military-industrial complex since the Cold War. For example, long-range S-200 (which are used from the late 1960s to this day, in particular, in the Syrian campaign) developed more than half a century ago to defend large areas from NATO strategic bombers and reconnaissance aircraft. The modernized modification of the Vega-M S-200M was designed to hit the air target at an altitude of 300 meters to 40 kilometers, and at a range of up to 255 km - which was impressive for the early 1970s, when the complex was adopted by the Soviet army.
Based on the existing experience of the missile defense, the possible transfer of American missile defense missiles to Kiev, which, will not be a big problem for us announced Minister of Defense of Ukraine Alexey Reznikov, notes the former deputy head of the Russian Air Force on the issues of the unified CIS air defense system Aitch Bizhev. The Ukrainian side expects to suppress our radar stations (RLS) and thereby make it difficult counterbattery the fight against the same "Hymars". “These missiles, which Minister Reznikov spoke about, are part of the system of counteracting detection, target designation, and information,” Bizhev explained. -
But our developers from the military-industrial complex know all this since the Vietnam War.
Therefore, all the mechanisms for countering these missiles were laid at the stage of research work in those Russian anti-aircraft missile systems that are now participating in a special operation. ”. In addition, Bizhev added, taking into account this knowledge, the entire Russian electronic equipment was created: control tools, locators for detection, guidance and target designation.
As a result, the authors of the bmpd blog note that the application of Soviet and Russian developments in practice showed: in five months, the special operation continues, with a front of at least 2.5 thousand. kilometers and with massive missile attacks, there is no recorded major defeat of targets covered by our air defense systems. We are talking about large settlements, military airfields, communications centers and government.
Therefore, we will fully explain the interest of traditional importers of Russian anti-aircraft systems - China and India (and since the mid-2010s - and a member of NATO in Turkey) - in the latest Russian developments in the field of air defense. Recall that in August last year, the general director of Rosoboronexport Alexander Mikheev reported about Moscow’s intention to present a promising air defense system S-500 Prometheus on the world arms market. The system is capable of hitting not only ballistic, but also aerodynamic targets - aircraft, helicopters, other air targets, as well as cruise missiles. Chinese experts they think, that Beijing should think about acquiring Prometheus, whose characteristics far exceed Chinese analogues.
_________________ Spetsnaz, a force for good.
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Naslov: Re: Rat u Ukrajini - vojni aspekt Postano: 28 srp 2022, 12:37 |
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Pridružen/a: 28 svi 2020, 02:28 Postovi: 5754 Lokacija: planina
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BBC je napisao/la: Sve više se u ruskom vrhu sa obje strane priča o potrebi da se navali na Nikolaev i Odessu. Najjače mi je bilo kad su govorili da će Putina Rusi objesiti. Oće, ako ne vrati cijelu Novorusiju.
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Naslov: Re: Rat u Ukrajini - vojni aspekt Postano: 28 srp 2022, 12:49 |
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Pridružen/a: 05 lis 2010, 12:48 Postovi: 109320 Lokacija: Županija Herceg-Bosna
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Ove budale vode u smrt preko 100 mladih ljudi svaki dan.
"The Russians are advancing because they simply don't know what to do. They don't have a defense strategy" Arestovich
_________________ Spetsnaz, a force for good.
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Naslov: Re: Rat u Ukrajini - vojni aspekt Postano: 28 srp 2022, 13:03 |
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Pridružen/a: 05 lis 2010, 12:48 Postovi: 109320 Lokacija: Županija Herceg-Bosna
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Čini mi se da Rusi prelaze u novu fazu. Samo danas 6 raketa na Kijev.
_________________ Spetsnaz, a force for good.
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Naslov: Re: Rat u Ukrajini - vojni aspekt Postano: 28 srp 2022, 13:06 |
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Pridružen/a: 24 ruj 2009, 11:09 Postovi: 25852 Lokacija: Heartbreak Hotel
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Oko Donjecka se otvorila vrata pakla. Nebo grmi a zemlja puca. Rusi krenuli u napad na Avdjejevku, Marinovku, Paski...
_________________ "Uzalud vam sav tisak i sve radio postaje, našim srcima nikad nećete ovladati", nadbiskup Alojzije Stepinac, Zagreb, 1942.
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Naslov: Re: Rat u Ukrajini - vojni aspekt Postano: 28 srp 2022, 14:38 |
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Pridružen/a: 13 ožu 2011, 23:11 Postovi: 8218
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Kazu da su Rusi uzeli Veselu Dolinu i Krasnogorovku. Nije jos definitivno potvrdjeno, ali tamo vazduh trepti kao da nebo gori:
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Naslov: Re: Rat u Ukrajini - vojni aspekt Postano: 28 srp 2022, 14:48 |
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Pridružen/a: 16 ožu 2010, 22:38 Postovi: 4413
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Gotov godisnji odmor, pokrenuli se Rusi opet. Mislim da bi DNR ima dosta vojnika na prvoj crti Donjecka. Logicno jer je prva crta manje više na vratima glavnog grada. Kad bi tu prvu crtu odbacili dalje od Donjecka dosta ljudi bi mogli da prebace na druge operativne zadatke.
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Naslov: Re: Rat u Ukrajini - vojni aspekt Postano: 28 srp 2022, 19:35 |
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Pridružen/a: 26 pro 2021, 20:59 Postovi: 4514
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Rusi ne napreduju do Dnjepra, jer im je lakse tako zbog logistike, a neprijatelju se otezava dovodjenje iste. Zbog toga nisu svi mostovi poruseni. Lakse im je da ih melju ovde na manjem prostoru, blize Rusiji.
Takodje, upotreba starijih modela tenkova je iz razloga sto im moderniji nisu potrebni, nema vise tenkovskih bitki, a imaju bolji oklop od drugih vrsta tehnike. Sluze im samo kao podrska.
Ukrajinski gubici su preko 200,000 sa ranjenima. :)
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Naslov: Re: Rat u Ukrajini - vojni aspekt Postano: 28 srp 2022, 19:41 |
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Pridružen/a: 13 ožu 2011, 23:11 Postovi: 8218
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Ako je sve ovo gore tacno onda se sve raspalo. Evo Rusi usli i u Soledar
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Naslov: Re: Rat u Ukrajini - vojni aspekt Postano: 28 srp 2022, 19:53 |
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Pridružen/a: 26 pro 2021, 20:59 Postovi: 4514
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Radi se Donjeck na vise pravaca. Dovlacili su dosta dobrovoljaca u Donbas, zadnjih nekoliko dana.
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Naslov: Re: Rat u Ukrajini - vojni aspekt Postano: 28 srp 2022, 22:06 |
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Pridružen/a: 04 srp 2022, 07:35 Postovi: 1219
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na frontu minimalne promjene
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Naslov: Re: Rat u Ukrajini - vojni aspekt Postano: 28 srp 2022, 22:41 |
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Pridružen/a: 20 sij 2012, 13:49 Postovi: 10045 Lokacija: Usa
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Dok ne vidim slike...
rusi su vec jednom "usli u Soledar"
Mada jesu udarili zestoko, krenula je nova ofenziva, posebno kod Donjecka, usli u Marinku, Peski Ukri napustaju, vidio sam i par snimaka na telegramu dovoljno da nije samo medijska patka.
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Naslov: Re: Rat u Ukrajini - vojni aspekt Postano: 28 srp 2022, 23:13 |
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Pridružen/a: 20 sij 2012, 13:49 Postovi: 10045 Lokacija: Usa
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na snimku su bivsi polozaji ukrajinaca pored Soledara, a Gonzo je trenutno na ulazu u grad, navodno Rusi ciste onaj rudnik na istoku grada, dakle nesto se dogadja konkretno
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Naslov: Re: Rat u Ukrajini - vojni aspekt Postano: 28 srp 2022, 23:32 |
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Pridružen/a: 05 pro 2018, 19:51 Postovi: 174
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Naslov: Re: Rat u Ukrajini - vojni aspekt Postano: 28 srp 2022, 23:52 |
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Pridružen/a: 05 lis 2010, 12:48 Postovi: 109320 Lokacija: Županija Herceg-Bosna
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Nisam ovo znao. Citat: DONBASS. THE RELEASE OF SOLEDAR WILL BE ANOTHER Flick on the NOSE OF Kyiv BULLS.
I'll explain why. You know, there was such a very necessary and useful body - the JCCC (Joint Center for Control and Coordination of the Ceasefire and Stabilization of the Situation in the South-East of Ukraine), consisting of the military of Russia and Ukraine.
The headquarters was in Solidar. If there was a fire incident on the front line in the Donbass, it was quickly extinguished by joint efforts, productively. But then there was a twist. Ukraine scored a bolt on the Minsk agreements (at the beginning of the events, Moscow took pity on Ukraine, and responded to the whining of Kyiv, contributed to the signing of those agreements).
And, at the behest of the United States, in order not to comply with the Minsk agreements, the Ukrainians began to mock and be rude to the Russian military in Solidar, occupied by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and, in the end, destroyed the joint headquarters of the JCCC. We left Soledar. It was a disgusting story in the spirit of Kyiv's bullish leaders.
And now our guys are about to give the Ukrainian Nazis a kick in the ass in this very Soledar. Bravo. Isn't that fair? Is this not travel satisfaction?
But wouldn't it be fair to detain the murderers of the defenders of Kulikovo field in Odessa? Murderers kneaded in the blood of their own wild Kyiv Maidan? Everything is not going fast, but inevitably.
_________________ Spetsnaz, a force for good.
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Naslov: Re: Rat u Ukrajini - vojni aspekt Postano: 29 srp 2022, 12:42 |
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Pridružen/a: 01 ožu 2022, 22:12 Postovi: 525
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Mitar je napisao/la: Ova Ukrajina je puna svega ogromnog . Željezara , naftnih crpki , nuklearnih elektrana , solana ...
_________________ Drugi profil Th1950 .
Bugojno ne vidimo Tuzla u daljini ali Rafal pogađa Hrvatski sine ne brini !
Hrvatsku granatu božja ruka vodi , tamo gdje je pošaljemo ona i pogodi !
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Naslov: Re: Rat u Ukrajini - vojni aspekt Postano: 29 srp 2022, 19:09 |
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Pridružen/a: 04 srp 2022, 07:35 Postovi: 1219
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Danas su Ruski Fašisti jurišali na svim frontivima u Donabasu i dobili po pi*ki. Ne promjena na frontu.
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