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 Naslov: Oživljavanje mamuta - pravi Jurassic Park?
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Iako već postoji genetska tema, nisam htio miješati Ministra i mamute. :zubati

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De-extinction

Povratak izumrle vrste genetikom i kloniranjem je moguć - već se dogodio sa slučajem Pirinejskog kozoroga, iako je klonirano mladunče izumrle vrste krepalo pola sata nakon poroda zbog problema s dišnim sustavom. Ovaj poduhvat izvela je kompanija Advanced Cell Technology - stvarna verzija "Umbrella Company" iz Resident Evil. :zubati

Nedavni pronalazak zaleđenog beba-mamuta sa praktički savršeno očuvanim DNA-om (mamut Lyuba), prouzrokovao je praktički utrku između ruskih i japanskih genetičara oko toga tko će prvi oživiti mamuta.

Da se radi ipak o ozbiljnoj (ali ambicioznoj) temi a ne senzacionalizmu, svjedoči i naslovnica National Geographica: "Možemo, ali da li trebamo?"

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Woolly mammoth DNA may lead to a resurrection of the ancient beast


The pioneering scientist who created Dolly the sheep has outlined how cells plucked from frozen woolly mammoth carcasses might one day help resurrect the ancient beasts.

The notional procedure – bringing with it echoes of the Jurassic Park films – was spelled out by Sir Ian Wilmut, the Edinburgh-based stem-cell scientist, whose team unveiled Dolly as the world's first cloned mammal in 1996.

Though it is unlikely that a mammoth could be cloned in the same way as Dolly, more modern techniques that convert tissue cells into stem cells could potentially achieve the feat, Wilmut says in an article today for the academic journalism website, The Conversation.

"I've always been very sceptical about the whole idea, but it dawned on me that if you could clear the first hurdle of getting viable cells from mammoths, you might be able to do something useful and interesting," Wilmut told the Guardian.

"I think it should be done as long as we can provide great care for the animal. If there are reasonable prospects of them being healthy, we should do it. We can learn a lot about them," he added.

Woolly mammoths roamed the Earth tens of thousands of years ago in a period called the late Pleistocene. Their numbers began to fall in North America and on mainland Eurasia about 10,000 years ago. Some lived on for a further 6,000 years. Their demise was likely the result of hunting and environmental change.

The prospect of raising woolly mammoths from the dead has gathered pace in recent years as the number of frozen bodies recovered from the Siberian permafrost has soared. The rise comes because the ice is melting, but also because of awareness in the region that there is money in the ancient remains.

Earlier this month, the most complete woolly mammoth carcass ever recovered from Russia was unveiled at an exhibition in Yokohama, Japan. The baby female, nicknamed Yuka, lived about 39,000 years ago, and is remarkable for the preservation of her fur and soft tissues, such as muscle.

Samples from Yuka have been sent to the laboratory of Hwang Woo-suk, the disgraced South Korean stem cell scientist, who, with Russian researchers, hopes to clone the mammoth.

Though Wilmut does not doubt the sincerity of the scientists hoping to clone woolly mammoths with the Dolly technique, he said the idea was "wildly optimistic" because the technical challenges were so tough.

In his article for The Conversation, Wilmut explains the formidable hurdles that stand in the way of scientists who want to clone the beasts. The technique requires scores of healthy mammoth cells and hundreds or thousands of eggs from a closely related species, such as the Asian elephant.

The most immediate problem is that mammoth cells must survive with their DNA intact. In practice, they degenerate quickly at the temperature of melting snow and ice, when most remains are found.

"By the time you've got a bone sticking up in the sunshine, it's effectively too late. You need to get it straight out of the deep freeze, as it were," Wilmut said.

Another problem is that cloning needs a female of a closely related species to provide eggs and to carry the pregnancy achieved with any cloned embryo. The closest living relatives to mammoths are elephants, but these are not plentiful enough to collect eggs from.

"Because there is a danger of elephants becoming extinct, it is clearly not appropriate to try to obtain 500 eggs from elephants," Wilmut writes.

There is an alternative, though. If good-quality cells can be extracted from mammoth remains – and that is a big if – they could be reprogrammed into stem cells using modern procedures. These could then be turned into other kinds of cell, including sperm and eggs. Mice have already been born from sperm and eggs made from stem cells.

"If the cells were from a female, this might provide an alternative source of eggs for use in research, and perhaps in breeding, including the cloning of mammoths.

"From a male they would be sperm, and they might be able to fertilise eggs to produce a new mammoth embryo," Wilmut writes.

But the scientist, who in many peers' eyes should have shared the Nobel prize in physiology or medicine with Sir John Gurdon and Shinya Yamanaka last year, said it could be 50 years before the techniques for resurrecting the woolly mammoth were perfected. There will be no Pleistocene Park soon.

That gives time for scientists to work out some of other problems that would arise if a mammoth were ever born again.

One concern is that the mammoth would be adapted to frigid conditions while its mother would be used to a hot, dry climate.

Another problem is that one will not be enough. "Ideally, and before too long, you need to provide them with friends and neighbours to interact with," Wilmut said. "The whole issue is what are the effects on the animal's welfare."

None of it will happen unless scientists can pluck good-quality cells from carcasses that have lain in the ice for thousands of years. Will it ever happen? "I would say it's fairly unlikely, but the world is full of surprises," Wilmut said.

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 Naslov: Re: Oživljavanje mamuta - pravi Jurassic Park?
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Rusi imaju projekt "Pleistocen Park" gdje u jednom rezervatu na sjeveru Sibira žele oživiti ekosustav kakav je tamo bio prisutan u Pleistocenu, tj. do kraja ledenog doba.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pleistocene_Park

Među životinjama koje bi ponovno naselili je naveden i mamut, u slučaju da ga uspiju sklonirati. :zubati

Već se javila priča da Putin želi mamutima naseliti Sibir. :D

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s jedne strane (donekle) razumijem želju pojedinih znanstvenika da se igraju Boga - iskušenje je veliko.
s druge strane, u laboratoriju zna biti problem održati liniju stanične kulture, a kamoli nešto teže.
tak' da...uzalud vam trud svirači. umjesto da ulože novac u poboljšanje kvalitete života postojećih vrsta (uključujući čovjeka), investitori bacaju novac na projekt upitnog uspjeha. :neznam

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 Naslov: Re: Oživljavanje mamuta - pravi Jurassic Park?
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ZGabriel je napisao/la:
s jedne strane (donekle) razumijem želju pojedinih znanstvenika da se igraju Boga - iskušenje je veliko.
s druge strane, u laboratoriju zna biti problem održati liniju stanične kulture, a kamoli nešto teže.
tak' da...uzalud vam trud svirači. umjesto da ulože novac u poboljšanje kvalitete života postojećih vrsta (uključujući čovjeka), investitori bacaju novac na projekt upitnog uspjeha. :neznam



Koliko vremena treba DNA da se raspadne? :kava
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The baby female, nicknamed Yuka, lived about 39,000 years ago


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 Naslov: Re: Oživljavanje mamuta - pravi Jurassic Park?
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Koliko vremena treba DNA da se raspadne? :kava


ako je dobro konzerviraš, neće se nikad raspasti. :kava e sad, koliko je moguće tisućama godina održati istovjetne uvjete, to ne bih znala.

čitala sam jednom da su, koliko se sjećam, Kinezi uzgojili neko drvo iz sjemenke koja je bila stara 2000 godina. nisam dalje pratila priču pa ne znam je li potvrđeno da se stvarno radi o toj nekoj izumrloj vrsti.

imaš tu rad na temu: http://rspb.royalsocietypublishing.org/ ... .1745.full

iz zaključka:
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It is tempting to suggest that we can now predict the temporal limits of DNA survival, and finally refute the claims of authentic DNA from Cretaceous and Miocene specimens. This is, however, not straightforward. One needs information on the number of template molecules in living tissues, and estimates of post-mortem DNA decay rates for each tissue type. However, the half-life predictions (table 1) display the extreme improbability that an authentic 174 bp long mtDNA fragment of an 80–85 Myr old bone could have been amplified [1].

Our results indicate that short fragments of DNA could be present for a very long time; at –5°C, the model predicts a half-life of 158 000 years for a 30 bp mtDNA fragment in bone (table 1). Even rough estimates such as this imply that sequenceable bone DNA fragments may still be present more than 1 Myr after deposition in deep frozen environments. It therefore seems reasonable to suggest that future research may identify authentic DNA that is significantly older than the current record of approximately 450–800 kyr from Greenlandic ice cores [47].



ovo što sam podebljala - iz dobivenih rezultata ne mogu tvrditi da se fragment dug 174 bp (parova baza) može amlificirati, i da za fragment dužine 30 bp model predviđa vrijeme poluraspada od 158.000 godina.
:neznam ako mogu iz komadićaka DNA sastaviti cijeli genom neke izumrle vrste, skidam kapu. meni je za kartiranje bakterije koja ima 6 MBp trebalo dvije godine (i ostalo je 8 prekida), grupi za sekvencioniranje genoma isto toliko. a radi se o vrsti koja je sveprisutna i vrlo jednostavna za uzgoj.

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Naslov je promašen, jer je mamut živio debelo nakon toga.

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Naslov je promašen, jer je mamut živio debelo nakon toga.


Naslov nije promašen nego figurativan.


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Krepao bi sam od sebe, ko bi mu toliko trave obezbijedio.

Turisti. Kako se prehranjuju slonovi?
Gdje ima volje ima i načina :D


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