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I saw this today and am being cautious with this because this has not been picked up by other local media. I just find it interesting.

BTW: If anyone in the U.S. goverment is reading this please take a look at this thread to give you some ideas. english/the-croatian-entity-t4470.html If you need further clarification or if you want me to draw the map (or a better map) or to help draft the new constitution please drop me a private message.

Source: http://www.b92.net/eng/news/region-arti ... v_id=82454

U.S. "preparing to change Bosnian constitution"
Source: B92, Tanjug

SARAJEVO -- The U.S. launched "a serious and wide-reaching diplomatic initiative for a constitutional reconstruction of the Federation of Bosnia-Herzegovina", said reports.

The outlines of the planned reconstruction remain unknown, but the results "will be visible as early as by mid-2013", sources with insider knowledge have been quoted.

Political circles in both Bosnian entities have been "caught by surprise", and are "aware that this would represent a huge reconstruction of the Dayton, which means that the constitutional structure of the state might be next on the agenda".

After the 1992-95 war in Bosnia-Herzegovina, which ended with the Dayton Accords, the country was organized in two entities: the Serb Republic (RS) and the Muslim Croat Federation (FBiH). The latter entity is further sub-divided into cantons.

Diplomatic sources have given what seem to be "logical" reasons for the reconstruction of the Federation, which now has 11 governments and assemblies, more than a hundred ministers, and hundreds of advisers, assistants, drivers and other staff.

Legal expert Ćazim Sadiković also described their performance as "catastrophic", and in that context said the U.S. initiative "cannot be surprising".

Local media in Bosnia are reporting that expert groups have already been set up and are preparing an international conference for early next year. Although it seems that the initiative concerns only the Federation, it actually relates to the constitutional arrangement of the whole country, as its implementation would represent the first large-scale change to the peace agreement.

For this reason, Mostar University professor Mile Lasić believes that "no reconstruction can be done using legal means", nor should a thorough change of constitutional structures be expected.

Meanwhile, the Office of the High Representative (OHR) "confirmed that something serious was under way", but its spokesman would not reveal whether this international institution would be taking part in the initiative.

Tanjug news agency is quoting a report in the Sarajevo daily Dnevni Avaz that said the Americans "have already secured the support of partners in the international community, including the EU, and preliminary contacts with political leaders show there is readiness for changes in the Federation".

According to the newspaper, the initiative covers all options: decreasing the number of cantons, changing cantonal borders, transferring certain competencies, abolishing offices and other changes aimed at making the structure of the Federation more efficient.

The only option not offered in the initiative is further division along national lines and the possibility of denying the rights of one of the three constituent peoples.


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I saw this today and am being cautious with this because this has not been picked up by other local media. I just find it interesting.

BTW: If anyone in the U.S. goverment is reading this please take a look at this thread to give you some ideas. english/the-croatian-entity-t4470.html If you need further clarification or if you want me to draw the map (or a better map) or to help draft the new constitution please drop me a private message.

Source: http://www.b92.net/eng/news/region-arti ... v_id=82454

U.S. "preparing to change Bosnian constitution"
Source: B92, Tanjug

SARAJEVO -- The U.S. launched "a serious and wide-reaching diplomatic initiative for a constitutional reconstruction of the Federation of Bosnia-Herzegovina", said reports.

The outlines of the planned reconstruction remain unknown, but the results "will be visible as early as by mid-2013", sources with insider knowledge have been quoted.

Political circles in both Bosnian entities have been "caught by surprise", and are "aware that this would represent a huge reconstruction of the Dayton, which means that the constitutional structure of the state might be next on the agenda".

After the 1992-95 war in Bosnia-Herzegovina, which ended with the Dayton Accords, the country was organized in two entities: the Serb Republic (RS) and the Muslim Croat Federation (FBiH). The latter entity is further sub-divided into cantons.

Diplomatic sources have given what seem to be "logical" reasons for the reconstruction of the Federation, which now has 11 governments and assemblies, more than a hundred ministers, and hundreds of advisers, assistants, drivers and other staff.

Legal expert Ćazim Sadiković also described their performance as "catastrophic", and in that context said the U.S. initiative "cannot be surprising".

Local media in Bosnia are reporting that expert groups have already been set up and are preparing an international conference for early next year. Although it seems that the initiative concerns only the Federation, it actually relates to the constitutional arrangement of the whole country, as its implementation would represent the first large-scale change to the peace agreement.

For this reason, Mostar University professor Mile Lasić believes that "no reconstruction can be done using legal means", nor should a thorough change of constitutional structures be expected.

Meanwhile, the Office of the High Representative (OHR) "confirmed that something serious was under way", but its spokesman would not reveal whether this international institution would be taking part in the initiative.

Tanjug news agency is quoting a report in the Sarajevo daily Dnevni Avaz that said the Americans "have already secured the support of partners in the international community, including the EU, and preliminary contacts with political leaders show there is readiness for changes in the Federation".

According to the newspaper, the initiative covers all options: decreasing the number of cantons, changing cantonal borders, transferring certain competencies, abolishing offices and other changes aimed at making the structure of the Federation more efficient.

The only option not offered in the initiative is further division along national lines and the possibility of denying the rights of one of the three constituent peoples.


Looks like 2013 will be one hell of a year...


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This was also mentioned on Balkan Insight

http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article ... nstruction

US Calls for Reform of Bosnia’s Federation Entity


The US Ambassador to Bosnia, Patrick Moon, has called for reform of the Bosniak-Croat Federation entity, but said he would not propose any solutions.


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Rory thanks for the heads up. It think if this is true it will set the precedent and not even Dodik would be safe...


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Source: http://eastofcenter.tol.org/2012/10/in- ... hats-next/

In Bosnia, What’s Next?

By S. Adam Cardais + October 4th, 2012

Back in June a prominent Balkan analyst told me he was hearing more and more grumbling out of Berlin about the fate of Bosnia, with its perpetual political gridlock, abysmal economy, and pitched nationalist rhetoric, but that no one had anything close to an answer. “Nobody,” he said, “has a workable alternative to Dayton.”

The 1995 Dayton Peace Agreement gets a lot of credit for ending a horrific war few saw an end to, but it also created a state: the Bosnian constitution, for instance, is Annex 4 of the agreement. Today, many observers say the Dayton framework just isn’t working and that Bosnia needs constitutional reform. But, as the analyst suggested, no one is quite sure how to proceed.

Then again …

On Tuesday, B92 reported that the U.S. is leading a diplomatic effort to reform the constitution, with significant changes coming by next year. Details were few, but the report suggests that the Office of the High Representative (OHR), the international body charged with implementing Dayton’s civilian aspects, confirmed that something was underway.

This morning, the OHR told me to contact the U.S. Embassy in Sarajevo for background on the reported initiative, which I’ve done. The OHR added that any reform process should result in more efficient governance to better serve citizens.

Indeed. Bosnia went 14 straight months without a central government amid political infighting after the October 2010 elections. And the coalition that finally came together last December collapsed in May due to a murky dispute over the state budget between the two leading parties. All the bickering even had some talking about the possibility of renewed violence last year.

But what’s to be done? Various international and local actors have tried and failed at constitutional reform. How to get Bosnia back on track?

In July, the International Crisis Group (ICG) offered a few suggestions in the first of a two-part report. I get to it below. First, it’s important to grasp the roots of the portrait of dysfunction that is post-Dayton Bosnia. For a non-technical primer, you can’t do better than National Subjects, by the Bosnian writer Aleksandar Hemon. But here are the broad strokes.

To end the 1992-95 conflict and promote lasting peace, Dayton erected a power-sharing framework between Bosnia’s three main ethnic groups: the Croats, Bosniaks (Bosnian Muslims), and Serbs. It created two semi-independent political entities within the country, the Bosniak and Croat Federation and the majority Serb Republika Srpska (RS), each with its own governing bodies. Bosnia also has a central government, and presidential power is shared between representatives of each ethnicity, known as “constituent peoples” under the constitution. In hindsight, this convoluted structure is clearly a recipe for paralysis. And the Dayton framework has been nothing if not that. It so decentralized power that Bosnia is in perpetual political gridlock as the economy stagnates and nationalist rhetoric dominates public discourse, with leaders appealing to voters along ethnic lines in a deeply dysfunctional state.

On top of this, the constitution stipulates that the three presidential posts and the seats in the upper chamber of parliament, the House of Peoples, must be equally divided among Bosniaks, Croats, and Serbs. But the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) ruled in 2009 that this violates the European Convention of Human Rights because it restricts minorities outside the “constituent peoples” from seeking office. The European Union says it will not accept Bosnia’s membership application until what some call its “racist constitution” is reformed in-line with the so-called “Sejdic-Finci” ruling.

Meaningful reform, then, should address both state building and human rights concerns. The last serious effort to tackle state building through constitutional changes came in 2006, with the U.S.-backed “April Package” to streamline Dayton by eliminating the House of Peoples and creating a strong premier. But it died on the parliament floor and, despite some attempts, was never resuscitated. Meanwhile, the ICG notes, Bosnian leaders have tried unsuccessfully for years to reform the constitution in-line with Sejdic-Finci for stunningly complicated reasons that I won’t get into here (the ICG does, though). Most recently, Sarajevo missed the EU’s 31 August deadline to implement the ruling.

Given these failures, the ICG wants Brussels to drop its Sejdic-Finci ultimatum and instead for the ECHR ruling to become “a platform” for a long-term reform process, done alongside EU talks, that would presumably address Bosnia’s structural problems while explicitly tackling the human rights concerns. One path toward the latter, the ICG says, is through an electoral college system allowing minority communities to choose representatives (again, the report gets into the details).

The ICG is an astute Balkan observer, and its incrementalist approach seems best in a country still unsteady – politically, economically, socially – amid the aftershocks of war. Its fear is legitimate, though, that international and local leaders will opt for a Sejdic-Finci Band Aid to right Bosnia’s EU track so Brussels can get in there, “tear the country apart,” and fix it, as one European official put it.

Assuming Tuesday’s reports are true, I’m guessing this is the direction the reform is headed, not toward a years-long overhaul requiring extensive negotiations. Bosnia’s leadership is paralyzed, and Brussels won’t want to look weak in the Balkans by dropping its ultimatum at a time when Belgrade is talking about “its own conditions” for EU integration.

I reached out to a few friends in the region last night and will pass along any updates or insights, as well as any forthcoming details from the embassy.


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The fact that Americans are making moves is absolutely awful for us. They do not have our interests at heart whatsoever. The EU only allows for faint hope when HR gets in there next summer and can try to use some leverage internally.

It's much, much better for us to let the state fall apart on its own as it has been doing rather than having the American cowboys come in and 'reform' the place by fucking us over to appease Riyadh and Ankara.

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Whenever Americans meddle in B&H affairs, as a result of that, Croats get less of their political rights.

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Whenever Americans meddle in B&H affairs, as a result of that, Croats get less of their political rights.


Precisely. On other forums, there's been a debate that I've been involved with in respect to American foreign policy and the role of the State Department. We've all agreed that the realists are out of power and no longer have a strong influence on American foreign policy as the idealists have taken control. These same idealists are proponents of the concept of liberal-democracy being an end goal in and of itself. Within this concept is nonsense such as "civic nationalism" and the primacy of individual rights within the Human Rights paradigm. In short, nationalist feeling and national self-rule are no good unless they can be used to overturn a regime targeted by the USA for change.

With Bosnia's Muslims being American pets and being the proverbial spoiled children of the Turks, their desires take precedence over ours and over those of the Serbs in BiH.

As I've said, our best case would be to see the state fall apart by itself. Second best would be to have Zagreb use leverage within the EU to push for a 3rd entity.

The worst case is to allow the USA to rearrange BiH.

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