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WASHINGTON — The Obama administration has not ruled out establishing a no-fly zone over northeastern Syria to protect civilians from airstrikes by the Syrian government, Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel and Gen. Martin E. Dempsey, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said Friday.

Svrha stvaranja a onda borbe protiv ISIL-a je upravo ovo, ulazak u Siriju. Ukrajina je proizvod istog procesa nakon sto su ih Rusi blokirali u prvom pokusaju.


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Ovo je gore od Bosne, prvo sami bombarduju teroriste, a onda hoće da uspostave no fly zone da Sirija ne bi gađala civile... valjda iste te koje oni bombarduju?

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Dobar članak o sukobljenim stranama u sjeveroistočnoj Siriji:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/monkey-cage/wp/2014/09/09/local-struggles-in-syrias-northeast/


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Isis and Syria: ‘Western hypocrisies have been driving support for extremism’

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Western foreign policy is only shoring up the Syrian leader’s brutal regime

Fallout: the aftermath of a coalition strike on a house in the Syrian village of Kfar Derian. Photograph: AP
Sunday 28 September 2014 00.05 BST

After the military corrupted the English language with “collateral damage”, I’d like to introduce the equally dainty and equally misleading “collateral benefit”. I hope you like the smooth way the euphemism oozes from the lips; the imperceptible subtlety with which it shuffles off responsibility.

The phrase implies, without being so crude as to say so out loud, that the west does not intend mass murderers to benefit from its wars any more than it intends civilians to die in its airstrikes. If when the accountants of violence make their reckoning, the dictators are as triumphant as the civilians are dead, that is no concern of ours.

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Bashar Assad is now enjoying the collateral benefits of western foreign policy. It is not that he, and by extension Iran and Hezbollah, is our formal ally. We still have our standards, after all. If their power is strengthened, and the bombing and slaughtering of civilians continues, we regret it, naturally. These are unintended side-effects no one can expect us to control.

Human suffering is not a competition. You can’t measure mounds of corpses and reserve your criticism for the highest. Yet when Barack Obama addressed the UN, he did not even glance at the mountain of bodies in Syria. He described the war crimes of Islamic State, but did not once say that clerical fascism had been nurtured by the bloodier war Assad had launched against the Syrian version of the Arab spring.

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“We will support Iraqis and Syrians fighting to reclaim their communities,” Obama cried. But only if they were fighting to reclaim them from Islamic State.

Between 2011, when peaceful demonstrators demanded the removal of a Ba’athist dictatorship that has tyrannised Syria since 1963, and April this year, the UN said that 191,000 people had been killed – the figure is “probably an underestimate”, it added. About nine million Syrians have fled their homes. To comprehend the catastrophe the Assad regime has brought, you must imagine an apocalyptic Britain where the entire population of London – and then some – run for their lives. Assad has launched chemical weapons attacks on the suburbs of his own capital. The gallant Syrian air force has dropped incendiary bombs on school playgrounds. Uncounted thousands, including relief workers, lawyers and doctors, have disappeared into his prisons where their jailers have beaten, mutilated and raped them.

Obama might have thrown every condemnation he threw at Islamic State at the Assad regime. Both have “terrorised all whom they come across” in Syria. Both have subjected “mothers, sisters and daughters to rape as a weapon of war”. Both “have gunned down innocent children”. But while Obama said Islamic State had shocked “the conscience of the world”, he could not manage one word about Assad.

I accept that the conscience of the world is as flexible as an iPhone. And I have mentioned before how Mr Obama’s bends with the wind. But his behaviour, and that of the wider west, remains extraordinary. We are going to war against a barbaric enemy, but no one is talking about the barbarism that helped create it. That airstrikes against Assad’s enemies must strengthen his chances of survival is not a fit subject for discussion.

I am tempted to write that Obama’s willingness to aid criminals is Nixonian. Authorities on the Middle East are already looking at the diplomatic exchanges with Tehran and speculating that he is edging towards his own Nixon in China moment. Nadim Shehadi of Chatham House says that Assad must be waiting for the news that Obama is prepared to allow him to dominate Syria and his Iranian puppetmasters to dominate Iraq and Lebanon as well. Perhaps, however, the comparison with the worst of his predecessors is too kind to Obama. Nixon and Kissinger would do anything and support anyone who was against the Soviet Union. For all their crimes, they had a brutal singlemindedness. I struggle to find coherence of any kind in Obama’s foreign policy.

Assad does not care. He knows he is winning, whatever the president’s motives. Ali Haidar, his “minister for national reconciliation”, purred like the Queen on hearing the result of the Scottish referendum when he described the US attacks on Islamic State targets. “What has happened so far is proceeding in the right direction in terms of informing the Syrian government and by not targeting Syrian military installations.”

I am not disputing the need to confront Islamic State. Militant Islam will drive the Christians and Zoroastrians out of Iraq like the Jews before them. The Kurds, who could be our truest friends in the region, may suffer yet more massacres. Britain has a particular moral responsibility to confront radical Islam when our “vibrant” and “diverse” society has furnished Islamic State with so many willing executioners. (Or would have a moral responsibility if our armed forces had not lost their battle with George Osborne and been left in no condition to confront anyone.)

But just as the west won’t recognise the right of the Kurds to self-determination, so it won’t accept that you cannot fight Islamic State in Syria without offering hope to those who oppose Assad. Instead it carries on propagating the authentically orientalist lie that Syrians are either Ba’athists or Islamists, and there is no alternative to tyranny.

I do not believe the line will hold. How long will the Sunni Arab states stay in Obama’s coalition when they see their Shia enemies benefiting? How will Syrians react to the double standard?

It is as if every liberal chant of the last decade is returning to haunt Obama. You will remember hearing, or perhaps said yourself, that we should concentrate on the “root causes” of terrorism. The root cause of Islamic State is Shia sectarianism in Iraq and sectarian mass murder in Syria. Mohammed Antabli, a leader of Syrian exiles in Britain, told me how he took British and European politicians to Turkey’s border with Syria at the start of the war and warned them that Islamism would flourish if the west did nothing for the moderate opposition. And so it has.

You will remember hearing, or perhaps said yourself, that we must not alienate “the Arab street”. Kassem Eid, an opposition activist now in exile in the US, said what streets were left in Syria were alienated beyond measure. The democratic world has done nothing. No no-fly zone. No attempt to slow Assad down, even for a day, even when he crossed Obama’s “red line” on chemical weapons. Every Syrian activist I spoke to repeated his assertion that western hypocrisies were driving support for Islamism.

In his 1 September, 1939, on the eve of another war, WH Auden wrote: “I and the public know/ that all schoolchildren learn,/ Those to whom evil is done/ Do evil in return.”

A great evil has been done to Syria. I cannot see how any western project against Islamic State can prosper until the “conscience of the world” provides redress by saying it will not tolerate the continuation of the Assad regime. At present, however, the world won’t even acknowledge evil’s existence. We must expect evil in return.

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Turska ide u rat u Siriju. Za koga će se sad Muslimani Bošnjaci boriti ?

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Jel kasno da spase Kobane ?


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Nemam pojma što će raditi. Podržavam ovaj Erdoganov neoosmanizam okrenut istoku i muslimanima. Nek se rokaju, nek se Turska tamo širi.

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Ma šta će se oni širiti, mogu se samo smanjiti.
Joj samo naprijed nek zagruvaju sa Arapima, ovih ih mrze više nego mi, jadne Bošnje neće znati na koju stranu.

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On se misli tući sa Assadom bez dozvole UN-a. Nije on Amerikanac, zaglibit će u Haagu. Prvo ima da dosta Turaka bezveze izgine dok dođu do Assada. I onda godine besmislenog rata. Poslije rata će biti tražen od Interpola zbog tog rata.

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On se misli tući sa Assadom bez dozvole UN-a. Nije on Amerikanac, zaglibit će u Haagu. Prvo ima da dosta Turaka bezveze izgine dok dođu do Assada. I onda godine besmislenog rata. Poslije rata će biti tražen od Interpola zbog tog rata.


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Turci se pravo igraju Osmanlija, ono bi malo čapnuli od Sirije očito su bacili oko na kurdska područja bogata naftom, a to će vjerovatno pravdati da "brane" Kurde ili "čuvaju" onaj grob Sulejmana Šaha, djeda prvog osmanlijskog sultana.

PPK je zaprijetila da napušta mirovne pregovore ako Turska dozvoli masakr u Kobaneu.

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ISIS je ušao u Kobane vode se ulične borbe,
teško bez teške artiljerije Kurdi mogu duže izdržati.

A evo i jednog twitter podatka pomalo iznenađujućeg

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Gotovo je ISIS je ušao u Kobani.
Trenutno se vode ulične borbe ali Kurdi nemaju šanse.
Civilnom stanovništvu je na sreću YPG naredio da se evakuira u Tursku već u srijedu, očito je bilo jasno da grad pada.

YPG se sprema na ulične borbe pokušat će sniperima zaustaviti daljni prodor islamista u grad.
Istočni dio se donekle drži, uništen je i tenk ali u zapadni dio Tal Shair koji vodi do graničnog prelaza sa Turskom su džihadisti već ušli.

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It is incredible that the US and the Coalition are doing nothing for the Kurds in Kobane. Very few air strikes, no arms for the defenders of the city, not even a warning to Turkey to stop assisting IS.

Jeb.. Ameri radi njih nestaje kršćana na Levantu, porušene su najstarije crkve a ne mogu ni oružje barem poslati nego hladno gledaju kako Turci sudjeluju u još jednom genocidu.


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Assad bi to oko Kobanea sve pobio avionima. Amerikanci ne žele iz nekog razloga. Koji je razlog saznat će se. Mislim da CIA ide na to da poslije osveta bude jača, više ih pogine. I naravno sukob će trajati više godina.

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Džihadisti Islamske države ušli su u strateški važan sirijski grad Kobane, u blizini granice s Turskom, a borbe se vode za svaku ulicu, javlja CNN.

Alan Minbic, borac kurdske Narodne jedinice za zaštitu, rekao je da ISIS ima pod kontrolom jugozapadni dio grada, poznat pod nazivom Ayn al-Arab.

Ipak, s terena stižu oprečne izjave o tome da su islamisti ušli u Kobane. Ukoliko bi zauzeli taj grad, bilo bi to strateški vrlo važno jer bi se Islamska država, tzv. Kalifat, prostirao od Rakke u Siriji pa do turske granice, koja je udaljena gotovo 100 kilometara.

Posljednjih dana tisuće je civila pobjeglo iz Kobanija u strahu od okrutnih boraca Islamske države. Oni su krenuli u konačno osvajanje grada samo dan nakon što je turski parlament odobrio slanje vojske u borbu protiv Islamske države.

U Kobaneu je pravi pakao. Puca se sa svih strana, a granate padaju po cijelom gradu. Nije istina da je grad pao! Borimo se i borit ćemo se dok smo živi – kazao je za Večernji list kurdski borac Abdullrahman Al-Omary priznajući da su borci ISIL-a probili prvu crtu obrane na južnom i zapadnom ulazu u grad te se tamo vode ulične borbe.

Sada su sve oči svijeta uprte u Tursku i njezin sljedeći potez o kojem ovisi sudbina Kobanea. Naime, premijer Turske Ahmet Davutoğlu izjavio je da će Turska napraviti sve da spriječi da pretežno kurdski grad Kobane padne u ruke militanata i Islamske države.

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Ove budale će genocid napraviti u Kobaneu, ako uđu. ISIS je navodno probio linije na dva-tri mjesta, ali još se grad drži.

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Ako na Google ukucaš "Kobane" Kurdi pobjeđuju. Ukucaš "Ayn al-Arab" ISIL pobjeđuje.

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Ayn znači oko-u nekom prijevodu bi bilo Oko Arabije tako nešto.

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Izvještaj američkog novinara od prije 3 sata iz neposredne blizine tj. sa obližnjeg brežuljka na samoj turskoj granici.

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Turkey has long been concerned about Kurdish separatists in its southeastern provinces and their allies across the border in Syria -- in Kobane. There were reports earlier this year of arms shipments from Turkey crossing the border into ISIS-controlled Syria. The Turkish government called these shipments "humanitarian aid" -- and slapped a court order banning any further press coverage of the issue.

The politics are murky. But the progress of the battle is clear.

A few miles west along the border, we watched the Kurdish defenders of Kobane try to hold a key approach to the city. As night fell, the ISIS fighters moved forward, trying to flank the Kurdish positions. The fighting grew fierce, as the crack-and-thump of tracer rounds, the thud of mortar fire and the increasingly desperate snapping and pinging of small-arms exchanges filled the narrow valley. The jihadist fighters just kept pushing ahead.

In the gathering darkness, we could hear the wind carry across the barren hills chorus after chorus of their ancient, piercing cry: "Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar!"

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Je znam, Google logo se promjeni u veliko oko.

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Je znam, Google logo se promjeni u veliko oko.

Masoni :smajl043

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Dosadan si, razguli.

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Ayn znači oko-u nekom prijevodu bi bilo Oko Arabije tako nešto.


Službeno ime na arapskom jeziku je Ayn al-Arab (عين العرب), a ne Ayn al-Arabiya.

Stoga je ispravan prijevod "Arapsko Oko" ili "Oko Arapa", a ne "Oko Arabije".


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