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Jedan kijevski kolumnist na Facebook napisao da bi trebali prestati prisilno mobilizirati ljude ako ovi to neće i nek maltretiraju profesionalne vojnike i dragovoljce. Kaže civili plaćaju poreze i nisu trenirani da se tuku sa Rusima. Iznenadio se odgovorima. Odprilike 9 od 10 Ukrajinaca se slaže sa njim iako im puna usta "Slava Ukraini".

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Za ukrajince je naravno važno da rusi idu puževim korakom. Ali tako je bilo i kod Lisičanska a bilo je ljudi koji se razumiju pa su pisali ako rusi probiju taj obrambeni trokut ( više se ne sjećam koji ) urušit će se obrana. Tako je i bilo. Sada bih se iznenadio da se to ponovi ali opet i ne bi . Teško mi je procijeniti koliko rusi mogu puzat.

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tek kad military map pocne crtati, onda se nesto i dogadja

lijevo krilo se pokrenulo, elektrana je jos u zoni borbenih djelovanja, Novolugansko se cisti


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Jako je tesko i ispratiti ovaj sukob s obzirom kako vesti dolaze do nas.

Mi se generalno svi vezemo za vidljive teritorijalne promene.

No evo prethodnih dana je sa Hersonskog pravca stizala gomila info sa obe strane, od prilaska Hersonu do vracanja Ukrajinaca na pocetne pozicije i fabricka podesavanja. Kod Izjuma isto uvek ima neke akcije.

Na kraju i gadjanja krstarecim raketama. Rus strefi neki objekat u dubini teritorije, ako verujes jednoj strani u pitanju bude prazna skola, ako verujes drugoj strada 400 boraca na spavanju. I jedno i drugo mogu biti i realan scenario i cista propaganda.

Kao 5-6 meseci pratimo sukob, i dalje ne znamo gde su rasporedjene koje i kakve jedinice, sa koliko ljudi i tehnike se raspolaze, ko komanduje.

Veoma cudna kombinacija totalne informisanosti i neinformisanosti.


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Najbolje bi bilo da vam otkriju svoje vojne tajne a da bi vama bilo zanimljivo.

Pratite sta se dogadja ako vas interesira, manite se informacija i poluinformacija, bitno je samo ko sta drzi i ko gdje napreduje. To je jedino bitno.


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Ako je istina koliko je to od bakhmuta. To mi je sad iznenađujuće da su tamo

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Rusija je pomagala razvoj iranskih BPL, cuj kupili od Irana :D


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BBC je napisao/la:
Jedan kijevski kolumnist na Facebook napisao da bi trebali prestati prisilno mobilizirati ljude ako ovi to neće i nek maltretiraju profesionalne vojnike i dragovoljce. Kaže civili plaćaju poreze i nisu trenirani da se tuku sa Rusima. Iznenadio se odgovorima. Odprilike 9 od 10 Ukrajinaca se slaže sa njim iako im puna usta "Slava Ukraini".

Što ima tu čudno? :neznam DR je iznesen na leđima malog broja dragovoljaca i profesionalaca.


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po obimu razaranja, tu su zestoke borbe u rangu Mariupolja, ovo je ono Berestovo sto vec par dana Rusi ciste


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Mar-kan je napisao/la:
BBC je napisao/la:
Jedan kijevski kolumnist na Facebook napisao da bi trebali prestati prisilno mobilizirati ljude ako ovi to neće i nek maltretiraju profesionalne vojnike i dragovoljce. Kaže civili plaćaju poreze i nisu trenirani da se tuku sa Rusima. Iznenadio se odgovorima. Odprilike 9 od 10 Ukrajinaca se slaže sa njim iako im puna usta "Slava Ukraini".

Što ima tu čudno? :neznam DR je iznesen na leđima malog broja dragovoljaca i profesionalaca.


Dobrovoljci i profesionalci su dovoljni za privremenu obranu, no nisu dovoljni za dobiti rat.
Bez mobilizacije ne možeš dobiti rat.

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sad je i zvanicno, elektrana Vuglegorsk u ruskim rukama

cekamo slike iz Bahmuta i okolice


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I sve oko elektrane


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ShahidMaker je napisao/la:
Rusija je pomagala razvoj iranskih BPL, cuj kupili od Irana :D

Ne samo da je pomogla, vec je direktan partner 50-50.

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A njene komsije, najveca imperija protiv koje su ratovali, je Srbija.


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Ivan i Niko kod Kramatorska, živi za sad. Možda taj drugi nije naš (Nico).
Uskoro ćemo o njima čitati, ništa dobrog.
Ivan izgleda kao materijal da smiri Wagner i Spetsnaz. Bio je predobar prije rata dok su Ukrajinci tamburali.

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https://military.pravda.ru/news/1730817 ... operacija/

Šta je ovo?

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Savezna vlada odobrila ugovor vrijedan milijardu dolara
Ukrajina bi mogla kupiti 100 samohodnih haubica Phz 2000...
https://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschl ... e96560da9d


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Sve više se u ruskom vrhu sa obje strane priča o potrebi da se navali na Nikolaev i Odessu.

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Russian air defense systems in Ukraine have surpassed themselves

July 26, 2022, 11:12
Photo: Cyril Kukhmar / TASS
Text: Rafael Fakhrutdinov

The special operation taking place in Ukraine revealed one of the main advantages of the Russian military machine - the perfect means of air defense and missile defense. Domestic anti-aircraft missile systems did not just confirm their characteristics, their capabilities were even higher than expected. This was especially evident in the results of attacks by American missiles on Russian objects.

The Ukrainian military intends to use the American multiple launch rocket systems (RSZO) HIMARS instead of the Soviet systems “Point-U”, which are very few. This was stated by the head of the Main Directorate of Intelligence (GUR) of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine Kirill Budanov in a comment by The Washington Post, which was quoted on Monday TASS. A day earlier, the head of the office of the President of Ukraine Andrei Ermak said: according to the results. meetings American congressmen with Vladimir Zelensky announced US plans to transfer to Kiev up to thirty HIMARS complexes and universal MLRS launchers (Multiple Launch Rocket System).

But as indicated The Washington Post, the American side has not yet sent more modern types of weapons to Kiev - in Washington they want to watch how Ukrainians use funds from their arsenals in practice. “There are some means that, as the president made it clear, he is not ready to provide. Among them are ATACMS long-range missiles, which have a range of 300 kilometers, ”transmits RIA «News»The words of adviser Joe Biden on national security Jake Sullivan. ATACMS missiles can be equipped with HIMARS complexes, but deliveries to Ukraine are limited to controlled rockets with a range of 80 kilometers - cheaper and more available.

At the same time, recall that, by data The Russian Ministry of Defense, from July 5 to 20, during a special operation in Ukraine, four launchers and one HIMARS transport and charging machine were destroyed. As for the effectiveness of rocket launches of American RSZOs, the portal reports Ukraine.ru, Of the 12 missiles fired on the night of July 21 along the Antonovsky bridge over the Dnieper in Kherson, all were shot down by Russian air defense installations.

Thus, the supply of even the most modern American missile systems is largely useless for Ukraine due to the highest degree of effectiveness of Russian missile defense systems (ABM). This is confirmed by military experts. “The successful combat use of Russian air defense and missile defense in a full-fledged military conflict confirmed the status of Russia as one of the leaders in the air defense systems market,” Sergey Denisentsev, expert at the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies (CAST), told the newspaper VZGLYAD.

Earlier developments also proved to be effective - S-300V and S-300P complexes (first adopted in the 1980s and 1970s), and Buk air defense systems, which are also used since the early 1980s. One of the main tools of air defense during the special operation was also the Panzir-C1 short-range complex, which showed exceptional efficiency against UAVs, but also against enemy missiles.

“Of the fired HIMARS missiles and Soviet“ Point-U ”, which Ukraine has a lot of and which the APU constantly uses, there is a generally small percentage. This suggests that our air defense systems have shown themselves well in the current special operation, ”Denisensev emphasizes. According to experts, effective interception became possible under four conditions: the correct placement of missile systems, a sufficient cover density, the competent use of complexes and the effective detection of enemy objects.

It is also important that Russian missile defense systems and air defense systems have demonstrated effectiveness in conditions where the enemy massively uses unmanned aerial vehicles and artillery missile weapons, the interlocutor notes. Russian anti-aircraft missile systems have to deal not so much with small attacks by the Ukrainian Air Force as with drones and with ground-to-ground systems. The Soviet RSZO Grad, Smerch and Hurricane and the operational-tactical missile systems (TOPK-U) are replaced by the aforementioned American HIMARS and MLRS .

Thus, for the first time in many decades, the Russian school for the creation and application of air defense and missile defense systems has undergone real baptism of fire, and in conditions not previously known. Western analogues did not have similar conditions of application, Denisensev noted. This matters not only in terms of confirming the characteristics of technology, but also as the most important experience for the further development of missile defense systems. This experience is gained by both the military, directly using missile defense systems on the battlefield, and the developers.

“Israeli stories of interceptions of missiles and shells flying from the Gaza Strip and the West Bank are not good. The specificity is that everything flies there at a very small interval. In addition, there have been no mass attacks for a long time, and certainly this cannot be compared with the current hostilities in Ukraine, ”the military analyst said. For comparison, the US Patriot air defense systems have experience opposing only the single launches of Iraqi ballistic missiles during the 1991 Desert Storm operation or equally sporadic missile attacks by Yemeni Hussite rebels on targets in Saudi Arabia.

Moreover, experts note that in the practical application our missile systems significantly exceeded the tactical and technical characteristics that were set when creating these systems. This refers primarily to the effectiveness of ballistic defeat.

Of course, air defense and missile defense systems are traditionally a strong side of the domestic military-industrial complex since the Cold War. For example, long-range S-200 (which are used from the late 1960s to this day, in particular, in the Syrian campaign) developed more than half a century ago to defend large areas from NATO strategic bombers and reconnaissance aircraft. The modernized modification of the Vega-M S-200M was designed to hit the air target at an altitude of 300 meters to 40 kilometers, and at a range of up to 255 km - which was impressive for the early 1970s, when the complex was adopted by the Soviet army.

Based on the existing experience of the missile defense, the possible transfer of American missile defense missiles to Kiev, which, will not be a big problem for us announced Minister of Defense of Ukraine Alexey Reznikov, notes the former deputy head of the Russian Air Force on the issues of the unified CIS air defense system Aitch Bizhev. The Ukrainian side expects to suppress our radar stations (RLS) and thereby make it difficult counterbattery the fight against the same "Hymars". “These missiles, which Minister Reznikov spoke about, are part of the system of counteracting detection, target designation, and information,” Bizhev explained. -

But our developers from the military-industrial complex know all this since the Vietnam War.

Therefore, all the mechanisms for countering these missiles were laid at the stage of research work in those Russian anti-aircraft missile systems that are now participating in a special operation. ”. In addition, Bizhev added, taking into account this knowledge, the entire Russian electronic equipment was created: control tools, locators for detection, guidance and target designation.

As a result, the authors of the bmpd blog note that the application of Soviet and Russian developments in practice showed: in five months, the special operation continues, with a front of at least 2.5 thousand. kilometers and with massive missile attacks, there is no recorded major defeat of targets covered by our air defense systems. We are talking about large settlements, military airfields, communications centers and government.

Therefore, we will fully explain the interest of traditional importers of Russian anti-aircraft systems - China and India (and since the mid-2010s - and a member of NATO in Turkey) - in the latest Russian developments in the field of air defense. Recall that in August last year, the general director of Rosoboronexport Alexander Mikheev reported about Moscow’s intention to present a promising air defense system S-500 Prometheus on the world arms market. The system is capable of hitting not only ballistic, but also aerodynamic targets - aircraft, helicopters, other air targets, as well as cruise missiles. Chinese experts they think, that Beijing should think about acquiring Prometheus, whose characteristics far exceed Chinese analogues.

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Sve više se u ruskom vrhu sa obje strane priča o potrebi da se navali na Nikolaev i Odessu.


Najjače mi je bilo kad su govorili da će Putina Rusi objesiti. Oće, ako ne vrati cijelu Novorusiju.


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Ove budale vode u smrt preko 100 mladih ljudi svaki dan.

"The Russians are advancing because they simply don't know what to do. They don't have a defense strategy" Arestovich

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Čini mi se da Rusi prelaze u novu fazu. Samo danas 6 raketa na Kijev.

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Oko Donjecka se otvorila vrata pakla. Nebo grmi a zemlja puca. Rusi krenuli u napad na Avdjejevku, Marinovku, Paski...

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Kazu da su Rusi uzeli Veselu Dolinu i Krasnogorovku.
Nije jos definitivno potvrdjeno, ali tamo vazduh trepti kao da nebo gori:
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Gotov godisnji odmor, pokrenuli se Rusi opet.
Mislim da bi DNR ima dosta vojnika na prvoj crti Donjecka. Logicno jer je prva crta manje više na vratima glavnog grada. Kad bi tu prvu crtu odbacili dalje od Donjecka dosta ljudi bi mogli da prebace na druge operativne zadatke.


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