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Ugovori koje sa strancima prave za milijarde kredita imaju dio teksta kojeg su potpisali da u sklučaju gubitka državnog teritorija ne znači da ne moraju nastaviti plaćati kredit kao i da su cjeloviti. Ko je te zmije ikad uspio prevariti.

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Ma to nije diskriminacija, to je skroz moralno. Potpuno demokratski i okej.

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Koje gnjide. Jebo ih Andy W. u guzicu vasljivu.


Kako su krenuli dici ce kokakoli spomenik u sred Kijeva.

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Ne znam jeste pohvatali, baltičke države, Poljska i još dvije države u EU prave liste muškaraca (Ukrajinci azilanti) sposobnih za mobilizaciju u Ukrjaini i šalju liste Kijevu.
Za sad ništa konkrento ne rade ali priča se da hoće da ih šalju nazad (baltičke pričaju otvoreno i direktno). Rade sve moguće da vremenski odgode opću mobilizaciju u EU/NATO. Postoji dva razloga za to, jedan je ispravan.

- Misle da nismo još uvijek medijski "obrađeni" za opću mobilizaciju, pa će vraćati ukrajinske azilante muškarce da dobiju više vremena.
- Traže razlog da razvuku stvar da ih Amerikanci ne uvale u sranje, jer im ne smiju prigovarati.

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To je samo pitanje vremena jer slijedi logican tok dogadjaja. Vrtlog eskalacije, patologija rata. Ovima kad tad neminovno mora nestati mesa a baltonacisti tu ne prezaju ni od cega.

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Ne znam jeste pohvatali, baltičke države, Poljska i još dvije države u EU prave liste muškaraca (Ukrajinci azilanti) sposobnih za mobilizaciju u Ukrjaini i šalju liste Kijevu.
Za sad ništa konkrento ne rade ali priča se da hoće da ih šalju nazad (baltičke pričaju otvoreno i direktno). Rade sve moguće da vremenski odgode opću mobilizaciju u EU/NATO. Postoji dva razloga za to, jedan je ispravan.

- Misle da nismo još uvijek medijski "obrađeni" za opću mobilizaciju, pa će vraćati ukrajinske azilante muškarce da dobiju više vremena.
- Traže razlog da razvuku stvar da ih Amerikanci ne uvale u sranje, jer im ne smiju prigovarati.

Pa naravno, i njima ne odgovaraju ti Ukrajinci koji dolaze. Jedino gde su im dobri je na ratištu.

Šta ima da im odgovaraju kad svi pričaju ruskim, polako gradove gde se ruski - estonski ili ruski - letonski pričaju pola - pola pretvaraju u skroz rusofone gradove, još me ne bi i čudilo da te izbeglice (koje su silom prilika došle u te države) glasaju za neku umereno pro - rusku opciju u budućnosti kad dobiju državljanstvo (zato što se te opcije istovremeno zalažu i za prava ostalih istočnih slovena, koje sistem u Baltičkim državama duboko diskriminipe).

Poljaci nemaju taj problem, već su se usrali da će im, kad pukne Ukrajinski balon, Rusi biti u Lavovu na vratima.


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Napravi anketu na Večernjem ili Index pa nam javi o "podršci".
Ne ta dvojica imbecila koji su stigli na ratište u Listopadu.
(Rusi ih već imaju na listi.)

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Napravi anketu na Večernjem ili Index pa nam javi o "podršci".
Ne ta dvojica imbecila koji su stigli na ratište u Listopadu.


Ankete na kojima većina glasova i komentara dolazi iz Srbije i od srba :sega

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Kada majku bude plakale onda će se pričati o zločestim Rusima a do tada će se kurčiti.

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Slava im. Zdravi svojim majkama se vratili.

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Gdje su tvoji u Ukrajini ? Uvijek ste bježali od pucanja.

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Zelensky potpisao papir za pretres nekretnina u vlasnišvu Wladimir Klitschko-a.
Na račun Amerikanaca mora proganjati ljude da stvori privid borbe protiv korupcije a ne zna da je on sljedeći na listi.

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Ima ih nekoliko što se bore na strani pravde i dobra. Oženjeni Ukrajinkama.

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Ovisnik o teškoj drogi kao vrhovni ratni vojskovođa.
Superman koji misli da tekst na papiru može riješiti probleme.

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Ukraine army discipline crackdown sparks fear and fury on the front
Critics say new legislation that punishes deserters and rule-breakers more harshly contravenes human rights and demotivates military personnel.

BY VERONIKA MELKOZEROVA
FEBRUARY 5, 2023 8:45 AM CET
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KYIV — President Volodymyr Zelenskyy refused to veto a new law that strengthens punishment for wayward military personnel on Thursday, rejecting a petition signed by over 25,000 Ukrainians who argue it’s too harsh.

“The key to the combat capability of military units and ultimately of Ukraine’s victory, is compliance with military discipline,” Zelenskyy said in his written response to the petition.

Ukrainian soldiers have stunned the world with their resilience and battlefield successes, withstanding a year-long onslaught from Russian troops. But among Kyiv’s forces, made up largely of fresh recruits lacking previous military experience or training, some are struggling to cope. There are those who have rebelled against commanders’ orders, gotten drunk or misbehaved; others, running low on ammunition and morale, have fled for their lives, abandoning their positions.

Seeking to bring his forces into line, Zelenskyy in January signed into force a punitive law that introduces harsher punishment for deserters and wayward soldiers, and strips them of their right to appeal.

The law aims to standardize and toughen the repercussions for rule-breaking, improving discipline and the combat readiness of military units. Disobedience will be punishable by five to eight years in prison, rather than the previous two to seven; desertion or failure to appear for duty without a valid reason by up to 10 years. Threatening commanders, consuming alcohol, questioning orders and many other violations will also be dealt with more harshly, potentially with prison time; those who broke these rules in the past may have gotten away with a probation period or the docking of their combat pay.

Those who lobbied in favor of the new law, such as the Ukrainian Army General Staff, argue it will make discipline fairer: Previously, because courts adjudicated infractions on a case-by-case basis, some perpetrators were able to escape punishment for serious rule-breaking entirely, while others received harsher sentences for less significant violations, according to an explanatory note that accompanied the new law.

But soldiers, lawyers and human rights watchdogs have slammed the measures as an inappropriate and blunt instrument that won’t deal with the root causes of military indiscipline — and over 25,000 Ukrainians called on the president to veto the law altogether in a petition submitted to the president late last year.

The new punitive rules remove discretion and turn courts into a “calculator” for doling out punishment to soldiers, regardless of the reasons for their offenses, lawyer Anton Didenko argued in a column on Ukraine’s Interfax news agency.

“This law will have negative consequences for the protection of the rights of military personnel who are accused of committing a crime and will reduce the level of motivation during service,” an NGO, called the Reanimation Package of Reforms Coalition, said in a statement. “This can carry risks both for the protection of human rights and for the defense capability of the state.”

Zelenskyy’s military commanders disagree, arguing the measures are necessary to hold firm in the face of Russia’s assault.

“The army is based on discipline. And if the gaps in the legislation do not ensure compliance, and refuseniks can pay a fine of up to 10 percent of combat pay or receive a punishment with probation, this is unfair,” argued the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Valerii Zaluzhnyi in a video in favor of the new rules.

Zelenskyy, in his response to the popular petition asking him to scrap the changes, agreed that disciplinary action against military personnel should take into account their individual circumstances, and promised that the cabinet of ministers would further consider how to improve the disciplinary mechanism — though he did not specify when this work might be done; nor suspend the law in the meantime.

Army of civilians
Ukraine’s armed forces have swelled rapidly to over a million soldiers in the year since Russia launched its full-scale invasion in February 2022 — up from 250,000 personnel.

The influx of hundreds of thousands of new recruits, whom Ukraine has had to equip and train while withstanding the barrage from Russia, has compromised the usual vetting process and meant some unsuitable soldiers have ended up in combat, Valerii Markus, the chief master sergeant of the 47th Separate Assault Brigade, told subordinates in a lecture about “desertion at the front,” posted to his YouTube channel in January.

“We were trying to vet the candidates as well as we could in those circumstances,” Markus said. “However, many people in our own brigade don’t want to be there.” He said some of those who had joined up for the wrong motivations, such as for a pay check, subsequently “break down under pressure and want to flee; start to revolt.”

Markus said commanders frequently didn’t understand the problems and shortages faced by their troops on the ground due to local sergeants failing to communicate with them. He played videos of soldiers complaining about a lack of weapons or inappropriate or illegal orders from their commanders, before telling those in the audience that most problems could be resolved internally through the proper channels, while publicly airing complaints discredited Ukraine’s army and undermined attempts to help troops.

“Do I recognize the existence of problems that lead to the arbitrary abandonment of positions? Yes,” Zaluzhnyi said in his video supporting the reforms. “Am I working on their elimination? Successful operations to liberate the territories of our state are a confirmation of that.”

But members of Ukraine’s armed forces, many of whom have expressed respect for Zaluzhnyi, were deeply disappointed by his support of the new law.

“It is very demotivating. This is such a striking contrast with Zaluzhnyi’s human- and leader-oriented ‘religion,'” said Eugenia Zakrevska, a human rights lawyer who enlisted in the war effort and is now a member of the 92nd Ivan Sirko Separate Mechanized Brigade. This was a pointed reference to an interview the commander-in-chief gave to the Economist in December, in which he said that unlike the Kremlin, the “religion” he and Ukraine practised was “to remain human in any situation.”

Treating the symptoms, not the disease
Those who oppose the new law argue that Ukraine needs to deal with the underlying causes of desertion and misbehavior, rather than punishing soldiers who break the rules more harshly.

A Ukrainian army officer who recently left the frontline city of Bakhmut (and requested anonymity as officers are not authorized to speak to the press) told POLITICO: “Sometimes abandonment of positions becomes the only way to save personnel from senseless death. If they cannot deliver ammunition or [relieve troops], when you sit in the trenches for several days without sleep or rest, your combat value goes to zero.”

In responding to the petition asking him to reconsider, President Zelenskyy agreed that disciplinary action should take into account the individual circumstances of military personnel | Yuriy

The officer added that many discipline problems are rooted in ineffective or careless command, as well as the strain placed on Kyiv’s forces battling a far larger army of invaders, meaning they are not rotated as often as they ought to be.

“Fatigue and trauma lead to mental disorders, and bring chaos, negligence and even depravity into a soldier’s life. This strongly affects fighting qualities and obedience,” the officer said.

Zakrevska, from the Ivan Sirko brigade, said Ukrainian soldiers rarely abandon their positions — continuing to fight even when outnumbered and carrying significant casualties.

“Once, I had to call the command and ask for our sergeant to be ordered to go to the hospital — because he refused evacuation even though he was badly wounded,” Zakrevska said. “He stayed with us, although he could not get proper medical help as our doctor was also injured.”

It is only out of sheer desperation that soldiers leave their posts, Zakrevska argued, adding that to prevent desertion, commanders should rotate fighters more frequently. But she acknowledged that in many places, R&R for the troops is impossible due to a shortage of combat-capable fighters.

Most brigades are full, Zakrevska said — but some of those in them aren’t fit to fight, and “it is impossible to fire them. Because no one can be fired from the army at all. Only after a verdict in a criminal case. Such a system also greatly undermines morale. Because it turns service in the army from an honorable duty into a punishment.”

“In the situations of despair and complete exhaustion, fear of criminal liability does not work,” Zakrevska argued.

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Zelensky na cirkus paradi u Londonu. Radoznao za komentare odem na Daily Mail da vidim. Skoro 100% komentara protiv Zelenskog.
Sjetite se toga kad kritizirate Kinu.

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74 percent of Europeans support EU’s backing for Ukraine, poll finds

An overwhelming majority of EU citizens back the bloc’s continued support for Ukraine, the latest Eurobarometer poll released Thursday shows.

Asked if they approved of the bloc’s position of support for Ukraine, 74 percent answered yes, with a third saying they “strongly” approved.

Almost as many — 73 percent — said they agreed with the EU’s financial, military and humanitarian aid to Ukraine as well as sanctions against Russia, just as member countries are considering whether to speed up their military support for Ukraine.

The study shows major discrepancies between member countries, however. The EU’s support for Ukraine is more popular in Nordic countries, the Netherlands, Ireland and Portugal, where it is approved by more than 90 percent of the population. On the other end of the spectrum, less than half of respondents in Greece, Slovakia, Bulgaria and Cyprus said they approved of the EU’s actions towards Ukraine.

Over 26,000 people from all member countries were interviewed as part of the survey, which was conducted between October 12 and November 7.

Most people support the EU’s actions in spite of being aware of the war’s consequences on their daily life, with almost two-thirds of those polled believing their life will change because of the war in Ukraine.

This is reflected in heightened concerns over the rising cost of living on the continent, which is now the top worry of Europeans, before poverty and social exclusion, climate change, and a potential spillover of the war to other countries.

Almost half (46 percent) say their living standards have been negatively impacted by the COVID-19 pandemic followed by the war in Ukraine, which has created a surge in energy prices, fuelling soaring inflation rates across the continent.


https://www.politico.eu/article/ukraine ... ent-polls/

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74 percent of Europeans support EU’s backing for Ukraine, poll finds

An overwhelming majority of EU citizens back the bloc’s continued support for Ukraine, the latest Eurobarometer poll released Thursday shows.

Asked if they approved of the bloc’s position of support for Ukraine, 74 percent answered yes, with a third saying they “strongly” approved.

Almost as many — 73 percent — said they agreed with the EU’s financial, military and humanitarian aid to Ukraine as well as sanctions against Russia, just as member countries are considering whether to speed up their military support for Ukraine.

The study shows major discrepancies between member countries, however. The EU’s support for Ukraine is more popular in Nordic countries, the Netherlands, Ireland and Portugal, where it is approved by more than 90 percent of the population. On the other end of the spectrum, less than half of respondents in Greece, Slovakia, Bulgaria and Cyprus said they approved of the EU’s actions towards Ukraine.

Over 26,000 people from all member countries were interviewed as part of the survey, which was conducted between October 12 and November 7.

Most people support the EU’s actions in spite of being aware of the war’s consequences on their daily life, with almost two-thirds of those polled believing their life will change because of the war in Ukraine.

This is reflected in heightened concerns over the rising cost of living on the continent, which is now the top worry of Europeans, before poverty and social exclusion, climate change, and a potential spillover of the war to other countries.

Almost half (46 percent) say their living standards have been negatively impacted by the COVID-19 pandemic followed by the war in Ukraine, which has created a surge in energy prices, fuelling soaring inflation rates across the continent.


https://www.politico.eu/article/ukraine ... ent-polls/

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Istraživanje Dnevnika Nove TV: Što Hrvati misle o ratu u Ukrajini?

ANKETA agencije Ipsos za Dnevnik Nove TV pokazala je što Hrvati misle o ratu u Ukrajini. Ispitanici iz ankete upitani su treba li obučavati ukrajinske vojnike u Hrvatskoj te tko više brani nacionalne interese - premijer Andrej Plenković ili predsjednik Zoran Milanović.

Gotovo 70 posto ispitanika smatra da je u trenutnom sukobu Rusije i Ukrajine Ukrajina u potpunosti ili većim dijelom u pravu.

Osam posto smatra da je Rusija u potpunosti i većim dijelom u pravu.

Onih koji nemaju jasno definiran stav je devet posto.

Na ovaj rat 31 posto ispitanika gleda kao na sukob dvije zemlje oko teritorija. Svaki peti ispitanik, ili 20 posto, smatra da se radi o sukobu dvije zemlje, ali s posrednim sudjelovanjem trećih zemlja. Najviše ispitanih, njih 40 posto, misli da je ovo sukob velikih sila, NATO-a i Rusije, koji se odvija na ukrajinskom teritoriju. Devet posto ljudi je odgovorilo da ne zna.

Obuka ukrajinskih vojnika u Hrvatskoj je tema o kojoj se u javnosti govori posljednjih dana. Na pitanje "jeste li za to da Hrvatska obučava ukrajinske vojnike na teritoriju RH", "protiv" je odgovorilo 57 posto ispitanih. Za obuku Ukrajinaca u Hrvatskoj je 34 posto ispitanih, a devet posto je onih koji nisu ni za ni protiv.

Obuka ukrajinskih vojnika u Hrvatskoj najveću podršku ima među biračima HDZ-a. Birači Mosta su najviše protiv.


https://www.index.hr/vijesti/clanak/ank ... 07521.aspx

https://dnevnik.hr/vijesti/hrvatska/eks ... 49353.html

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Podaci pokazuju: 82 posto Hrvata podržava sankcije protiv Rusije, 73 posto i slanje vojne opreme

Čak 82 posto Hrvata podržava uvođenje sankcija protiv Rusije, a 73 posto Hrvata podržava europsko financiranje i slanje vojne opreme Ukrajincima u obrani od ruske agresije. Pokazuje to jučer objavljeni Eurobarometar, redovito istraživanje javnog mnijenja u svih 27 država članica. Riječ je o podacima prikupljenima od 12. siječnja do 6. veljače, a u oba gore citirana postotka podrška Hrvata Ukrajini kao žrtvi i sankcijama protiv Rusije kao agresora na Ukrajinu veća je od prosječne podrške u svih 27 članica EU.

Prosjek podrške sankcijama protiv Rusije u čitavoj EU je 74 posto, a prosjek podrške financiranju i slanju naoružanja Ukrajincima je 65 posto. Za humanitarnu podršku žrtvama rata u Ukrajini izjašnjava se 91 posto ispitanika i u prosjeku u čitavoj EU, i specifično u Hrvatskoj, ali razlika je opet vidljiva kad je u pitanju financijska podrška Ukrajini: 83 posto Hrvata se slaže s njome, a 77 posto građana EU u ukupnom prosjeku. Na pitanje slažu li se s tvrdnjom da ruska invazija na Ukrajinu predstavlja i opasnost za sigurnost njihove zemlje, 81 posto hrvatskih ispitanika se slaže, što je opet više nego prosjek u EU27 (76 posto).


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