Zna li netko nešto više ovoj muslimansko predaji o zlatnoj jabuci?

Osmanlijska potraga
za
„zlatnom
jabukom“,
mitskim europskim
gradom
koji
će,
jednom
kad
ga
osvoje,
označiti
kraj
povijesti
i
dolazak
(muslimanskog)
mesije
ili
mesiha.

Kızıl Elma (oder Kızılelma), der Rote Apfel (im deutschen Schrifttum auch der „Goldene Apfel“), ist ein Symbol imperialer Herrschaft der Türken. Er stand für das legendäre Ziel türkisch-muslimischer Eroberungen. Bei den Osmanen symbolisierte der Rote Apfel entsprechend den imperialistischen Bestrebungen zunächst Konstantinopel, dann Rom und später Wien. Im Album Ahmeds I. (um 1610) wurden zahlreiche Sultane mit dem Roten Apfel in der Hand dargestellt.[1]
Die Herkunft oder Entstehungsgeschichte dieses Ausdrucks oder dieser Vorstellung des Roten Apfels ist nicht geklärt.
Der Rote Apfel weist Übereinstimmungen mit dem Goldenen Globus der christlichen Kaiser und Könige auf und ist ein kulturübergreifendes Symbol.[2]
Vertreter der nationalistischen Strömung des Turanismus lokalisierten den Roten Apfel seit dem frühen 20. Jahrhundert im zentralasiatischen Turan. Heute ist der Rote Apfel vornehmlich ein Symbol turanististischer Sehnsucht.

This has to do with the lore, in Turkish, of the kizil elma, the red or the golden apple. In Turkish lore it became associated with supreme political power and sovereignty, and the kizil elma (this symbol of power) changed its location, moving from one city to another. This Turkish legend of the kizil elma, seems, so far as I have been able to ascertain, to go back to an old and rich Byzantine legend that was associated with the famous equestrian statue of Justinian the Great in the Augusteum just near the entrance to the great palace. This statue is described by Procopius as presenting Justinian seated on the horse, with the globus crucifix in his left hand and his right hand directed toward Asia. Procopius gives us the earliest, in a long series, interpretation of this monument. The globe signifies his world dominion, and his outstretched hand is intended to halt the nations of the east (Persia at that time) from advancing. The globus, which symbolized world dominion, eventually fell from the hands of Justinian's statue in the fourteenth century and its fall was interpreted as signifying that political dominion would pass from the hands of the Greeks to the hands of the Turks. The globus came to be called the golden apple and eventually it passed into the hands of the Turks.

Thus for the Turks the golden apple, kizil elma, was the symbol of political sovereignty.

In modern Greek folklore the golden apple tree, kokine melia, came to be associated with the origins of the Turks, and with the tradition of chasing the Turks back to their place or origin.(17)

Znači otud ona izvedenica "Zlatne kašike".

The English language expression silver spoon is synonymous with wealth, especially inherited wealth; someone born into a wealthy family is said to have "been born with a silver spoon in his mouth"

Before the place setting became popular around 1700, people brought their own spoons to the table, carrying them in the same way that people today carry wallet and keys. In pre-modern times, ownership of a silver spoon was an indication of social class, denoting membership in the land-owning classes. In the Middle Ages, when farmers and craftsmen worked long hours and frequently got dirt under their fingernails, it was important to not be mistaken for a serf or escaped slave. Under these circumstances, a silver spoon served the functional equivalent of passport, driving licence, and credit card. Since most members of the land-owning classes were smallhold farmers and craftsmen, the silver spoon was primarily a lower-middle-class cultural marker.
Silver spoons, because of their weight and number, were often one of the most valuable parts of a middle-class household's effects, a traditional target for burglars. For example, in the feature film Far and Away, the character Shannon plans to pay for her emigration from Ireland to the United States with spoons that she stole from her wealthy landowner parents.[

Zna li netko nešto više ovoj muslimansko predaji o zlatnoj jabuci?

Osmanlijska potraga
za
„zlatnom
jabukom“,
mitskim europskim
gradom
koji
će,
jednom
kad
ga
osvoje,
označiti
kraj
povijesti
i
dolazak
(muslimanskog)
mesije
ili
mesiha.


Vjerovatno se misli na Rim?
Uobičajni ratni osmanski poklič pri osvajanju Europe je bio, Na
Rim!
Na
Rim!

Sva tri grada mogu biti zlatna, kako je Glazbenik lijepo objasnio.
Ako nekoga zanima predaja o zlatnoj jabuci u kontekstu praslavenskih i praidoeuropskih mitova, zanimljiv članak je ovdje.
hrcak.srce.hr/file/67822

To ima veze i s gradom koji se pokušava osvojiti (str. 31 i dalje).
Jedini je problem što Turci nisu indoeuropski narod, ali su vrlo rano došli u doticaj s njima.

Nadalje, sjećam li se dobro iz povijesti, prvotni osmanlijski plan bio je osvajanje Europe preko Italije i dolazak do Rima.
On je kasnije napušten i prešlo se na smjer koji je išao srednjom Europom, preko Beča.
Zato je Dalmacija u prvim naletima osvajanja bila ugroženija nego kasnije.

Navodno je do promjene došlo zbog toga što Turci nisu bili pomorski narod, no u pozadini su, vjerujem, bili i dealovi s Mlečanima i drugima.
O tome više znaju povjesničari.