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Robbie MO
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Naslov: Re: Improve your English Postano: 31 kol 2020, 09:41 |
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Pridružen/a: 03 svi 2009, 11:29 Postovi: 76153 Lokacija: Institut za razna i ostala pitanja
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Oko facilitate a meeting se slažem, ali facilitate food and drinks?
To još nisam čuo.
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Carmello Šešelj
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Naslov: Re: Improve your English Postano: 31 kol 2020, 11:25 |
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Pridružen/a: 08 stu 2012, 01:05 Postovi: 22488
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Pa nije uobičajeno iskoristiti taj izraz, ali može, pogotovo ako hoćeš da ispadneš elokventan u društvu, pa koristiš fensi izraze.
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lider30
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Naslov: Re: Improve your English Postano: 31 kol 2020, 14:10 |
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Pridružen/a: 03 svi 2009, 22:11 Postovi: 23937 Lokacija: Multietnička federalna jedinica sa hrvatskom većinom
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How to say: Citat: rupa u zakonu in a symbolic sense, of course.
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Carmello Šešelj
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Naslov: Re: Improve your English Postano: 31 kol 2020, 14:11 |
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Pridružen/a: 08 stu 2012, 01:05 Postovi: 22488
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Naslov: Re: Improve your English Postano: 31 kol 2020, 16:07 |
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Pridružen/a: 08 ruj 2010, 02:28 Postovi: 435
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Robbie MO je napisao/la: Oko facilitate a meeting se slažem, ali facilitate food and drinks?
To još nisam čuo. Nisi čuo sto nebi niko to izjavio. Catering provided nešto tako bi se reklo.
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Naslov: Re: Improve your English Postano: 02 ruj 2020, 15:26 |
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Pridružen/a: 03 svi 2009, 09:25 Postovi: 43752 Lokacija: Folklorni Jugoslaven, praktični Hrvat
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Whenever you're in doubt as to correct usage of a term or phrase consult Google Books (not ordinary Google Search). I've never heard "facilitated" used in the context Carmello mentioned. It's a much more passive verb. https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&q=%22he+facilitated%22
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Carmello Šešelj
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Naslov: Re: Improve your English Postano: 02 ruj 2020, 20:40 |
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Pridružen/a: 08 stu 2012, 01:05 Postovi: 22488
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What does "passive verb" mean?
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Ministry of Sound
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Naslov: Re: Improve your English Postano: 06 ruj 2020, 14:00 |
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Pridružen/a: 03 svi 2009, 09:25 Postovi: 43752 Lokacija: Folklorni Jugoslaven, praktični Hrvat
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A "passive verb" is something else altogether, it's when an action is being performed on the subject of the sentence.
I used it in a different, more descriptive context. Maybe, I can illustrate the difference with respect to "facilitated", ranked from most passive to active.
John observed the meeting. John facilitated the meeting. John chaired the meeting.
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Carmello Šešelj
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Naslov: Re: Improve your English Postano: 06 ruj 2020, 18:57 |
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Pridružen/a: 08 stu 2012, 01:05 Postovi: 22488
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Thanks for the explanation. I'm ashamed to admit, but I didn't even know if such a thing exists in our grammar. After I googled it, i found out that it does, and its called "trpni glagol". Then I remembered that I actually did know that, just forgot it, a lot of time passed since elementary school, and I'm not a linguist by profession. Many holes in my brain.
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Carmello Šešelj
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Naslov: Re: Improve your English Postano: 06 ruj 2020, 19:05 |
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Pridružen/a: 08 stu 2012, 01:05 Postovi: 22488
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Oh, and another question if you don't mind. Which one is British, and which one is American spelling? "Block" and "Bloc". Or are they different words altogether, "Bloc" as a group of enteties, and "Block" as a verb (blocked something).
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bezimeni12
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Naslov: Re: Improve your English Postano: 07 ruj 2020, 18:03 |
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Pridružen/a: 13 ožu 2011, 23:11 Postovi: 6519
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Ministry of Sound je napisao/la: John observed the meeting. John facilitated the meeting. John chaired the meeting.
For me all of the above examples are active ( active voice) Passive would be: Meeting was observed by John...
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bezimeni12
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Naslov: Re: Improve your English Postano: 07 ruj 2020, 18:34 |
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Pridružen/a: 13 ožu 2011, 23:11 Postovi: 6519
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Carmello Šešelj je napisao/la: After I googled it, i found out that it does, and its called "trpni glagol". "Trpni glagolski pridjev" actually.
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bezimeni12
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Naslov: Re: Improve your English Postano: 07 ruj 2020, 18:46 |
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Pridružen/a: 13 ožu 2011, 23:11 Postovi: 6519
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Carmello Šešelj je napisao/la: Oh, and another question if you don't mind. Which one is British, and which one is American spelling? "Block" and "Bloc". Or are they different words altogether, "Bloc" as a group of enteties, and "Block" as a verb (blocked something). My understanding is that bloc and block are two different words with different meaning.
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Carmello Šešelj
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Naslov: Re: Improve your English Postano: 07 ruj 2020, 18:53 |
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Pridružen/a: 08 stu 2012, 01:05 Postovi: 22488
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Yes, I also think that they are different words, but I'm not 100% sure so I would like a native speaker to clarify that for me.
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bezimeni12
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Naslov: Re: Improve your English Postano: 07 ruj 2020, 19:30 |
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Pridružen/a: 13 ožu 2011, 23:11 Postovi: 6519
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I understand what you mean. Ministry is not a native speaker of the English language since his first language was what was spoken in Sarajevo. After so long using English, he is probably next to a native speaker .
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Carmello Šešelj
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Naslov: Re: Improve your English Postano: 07 ruj 2020, 19:47 |
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Pridružen/a: 08 stu 2012, 01:05 Postovi: 22488
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Well he went there when he was a kid, and now he's in his 40-ies, so he is pretty much a native speaker.
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Naslov: Re: Improve your English Postano: 09 ruj 2020, 13:37 |
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Pridružen/a: 03 svi 2009, 09:25 Postovi: 43752 Lokacija: Folklorni Jugoslaven, praktični Hrvat
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bezimeni12 je napisao/la: Ministry of Sound je napisao/la: John observed the meeting. John facilitated the meeting. John chaired the meeting.
For me all of the above examples are active ( active voice) Passive would be: Meeting was observed by John... We weren't talking about passive and active voice. It was a discussion about the appropriate usage of the term "facilitate/d", on other words, how active is the involvement of the subject if he/she "facilitates" something. I said that it's a very "passive verb" which caused some confusion, as I was just trying to illustrate that someone who "facilitates" is closer to an observer than an active participant.
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Naslov: Re: Improve your English Postano: 09 ruj 2020, 13:41 |
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Pridružen/a: 03 svi 2009, 09:25 Postovi: 43752 Lokacija: Folklorni Jugoslaven, praktični Hrvat
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Carmello Šešelj je napisao/la: Oh, and another question if you don't mind. Which one is British, and which one is American spelling? "Block" and "Bloc". Or are they different words altogether, "Bloc" as a group of enteties, and "Block" as a verb (blocked something). I'll try for an explanation, but feel free to check it on Google. Once upon a time, French was a language of dipomacy and one of its legacies is that certain French words have become commonly used in English in the context of international affairs. In this context, "Bloc", when used to denote a trading/military association of countries has displaced "block" (not the verb) through usage.
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Robbie MO
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Naslov: Re: Improve your English Postano: 19 stu 2020, 01:10 |
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Pridružen/a: 03 svi 2009, 11:29 Postovi: 76153 Lokacija: Institut za razna i ostala pitanja
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Translate: takvo kakvo je
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lider30
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Naslov: Re: Improve your English Postano: 19 stu 2020, 01:20 |
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Pridružen/a: 03 svi 2009, 22:11 Postovi: 23937 Lokacija: Multietnička federalna jedinica sa hrvatskom većinom
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Robbie MO je napisao/la: Translate: takvo kakvo je The way it is?
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Robbie MO
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Naslov: Re: Improve your English Postano: 19 stu 2020, 01:44 |
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Pridružen/a: 03 svi 2009, 11:29 Postovi: 76153 Lokacija: Institut za razna i ostala pitanja
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lider30 je napisao/la: Robbie MO je napisao/la: Translate: takvo kakvo je The way it is? There’s an elegant shorter and simpler version
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Naslov: Re: Improve your English Postano: 19 stu 2020, 05:38 |
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Pridružen/a: 13 ožu 2011, 23:11 Postovi: 6519
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Naslov: Re: Improve your English Postano: 19 stu 2020, 12:11 |
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Pridružen/a: 03 svi 2009, 09:25 Postovi: 43752 Lokacija: Folklorni Jugoslaven, praktični Hrvat
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Robbie MO je napisao/la: lider30 je napisao/la: The way it is?
There’s an elegant shorter and simpler version "It is what it is." Just has to be paired up with the act of shrugging one's shoulders, to really drive the point home that doing anything to change the situation would be futile.
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Naša Kvačica
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Naslov: Re: Improve your English Postano: 19 stu 2020, 12:14 |
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Pridružen/a: 03 svi 2009, 17:49 Postovi: 33091
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I had some of my colleagues from the UK who say "It is what it is", so I believe it is quite acceptable.
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Robbie MO
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Naslov: Re: Improve your English Postano: 19 stu 2020, 15:55 |
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Pridružen/a: 03 svi 2009, 11:29 Postovi: 76153 Lokacija: Institut za razna i ostala pitanja
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bezimeni12 je napisao/la: As is This is the answer I was looking for.
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