Nijemac Bartetzko, vojnik HVO i UCK, daje, kao uvijek dobre analize (u Ukrajini je kao logističar od početka)

What are the biggest lessons learned from the war in Ukraine so far from a military perspective?

After watching what is going on in Ukraine pretty closely, I think the most important lesson to draw from this war is the following:

In a “hot” conventional war, there’s no room for half-measures. If you go in, you go in fully. Your country needs to mobilize all its resources and free all its potential, from day one.

None of the warring factions on the battlefield (Russia, Ukraine) did this. As we all know, Russia’s planning and preparation for their invasion were abysmal. Their troops had supplies for only a couple of days and even when it became clear that this war wouldn't be over soon, it took Russia’s military apparatus many months to finally get their army into a war modus.

This became especially problematic with the artillery ammunition. It’s completely incomprehensible (at least for me) that nobody from the higher-ups predicted that when you shoot X number of shells every day and you have Y number in your weapons storage while Z number is produced or procured (and X is bigger than Z), there comes the day when you cannot sustain combat operations anymore.

Another problem is recruiting and training. After two and a half years of fighting, the recruiting issue still isn't solved and the quality of training leaves much to be desired.

All these problems have a lot to do with military leadership. Both sides suffer from old-style Soviet thinking in their ranks. It took President Zelinskyy many months to “replace” the Commander of the Joint Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Lieutenant General Yurii Sodol. Sodol screwed up so many times that he should have been court martialed a long time ago. Instead, earlier this year, they appointed him to the position of joint chief!

The biggest blunders, however, were committed not by Russia or Ukraine but by Ukraine’s Western Allies. Every single piece of equipment that the West sent to Ukraine after February 24, 2022, came in insufficient quantities and too late.

The NATO planners never grasped that when you have a 1,000-kilometer-long active frontline, sending Ukraine 1 million rounds of machine un ammunition is just the proverbial drop in the ocean. Of course, the German Ministry of Defense topped all this by sending 5,000 obsolete military helmets.

Unfortunately, the thinking that we may somehow win this thing without giving it all we have is still in many Western analysts’ heads.

This is the lesson we need to learn from this war: do not underestimate your enemy (Russia’s fault), their ability to adapt (Ukraine’s blunder) but especially do not misjudge the costs, the efforts, and the sacrifices it will take to achieve victory.

The Ukrainian side didn’t fare better. Military planners became too optimistic after Russia’s defeats in Kharkiv and Kherson in late ‘22. The logistics to sustain a longer war were set up late and always lagged behind.

What do you think as a war veteran of the Russian war in Ukraine?

Compared to all the other wars that have happened in my lifetime, this one is the freaking biggest and the most brutal one.

One of my friends, an experienced war reporter, put it this way: “Bosnia, Syria, and Afghanistan were three-minute songs played by a small band, but the war in Ukraine is a five-hour timpani orchestra piece.”

The amount of fighting and dying, the level of destruction and suffering, is hard to describe.

For any war veteran, Ukraine is a challenge on a completely different level. We had some seasoned Afghanistan and Iraq vets here who literally sh*t their pants during their first Russian artillery barrage.

Even some former US Navy SEALs and a German Kommando Spezialkräfte soldier who came to the Ukrainian frontline had to be relieved from duty because they couldn't cope with the battlefield stress.

On the other hand, the veterans of the Chechen wars, the Georgians, and the Bosnian combat vets usually do pretty well.

For a long time, for every Western soldier, the Vietnam War was the ultimate benchmark: Whatever you’ve been doing in the army and wherever you’ve fought, it wasn't much compared to the jungles of Southeastern Asia.

Now Ukraine has dethroned Vietnam. You may think you're a tough guy and in a good unit but when you meet a Ukrainian combat veteran, you better shut up and listen.

Will Ukraine get tired of this war with Russia soon?

Of course, everyone is exhausted. Two and a half years of brutal combat have left their marks, physically and psychologically.

The days of youthful enthusiasm and patriotic outpouring when everyone hoped for a quick victory are over. Ukrainians have realized that the struggle will continue for a very long time. There is no end in sight.

Some people, not only in Russia, expect (or even hope) that Ukraine will soon reach its breaking point and accept territorial losses to end this war but I can’t see this happening.

People are as determined to defend their country and liberate the occupied territories as they were on the dawn of February 24, 2022. The mood is certainly more somber now, after many setbacks and victims.

However, the determination and will to fight for what is right is still the same. Being tired is one thing and abandoning the fight is another one.

The spirit of Ukraine remains unbroken.

Normalno. Prva crta je nekoliko kilometara zapadno od Bakhmuta. O nikakovoj obnovi nema govora dok se crta ne pomjeri 50 km na zapad.

A onda će biti lijepo, obnavljaće grad kao i Mariupolj.

Di je "imperijalizam" tu ste vi istocnjaci I napojeni I nahranjeni I okupani a di nije tu ste najveci cigani.

Prodavanje muda pod bubrege, Mariopolj nije pretrpio značajnija oštećenja niti depopulaciju.

Koji odvratan lik.

Imas li ti ista, ali IKAD ISTA reci a da ima veze s temom ili da ima IKAKVOG smisla? Ista osim licnih i kolektivnih uvreda, glupavih predrasuda i slicno?

Mislim naravno na eminenciju, MiB si uletio izmedju.

Vidi se razlika, ljepše je. Ali zar su tu prugu morali graditi metar i pol od mora? Pretpostavljam da je to još u sovjetsko doba građeno. Milsim kako god da to sad urede, ako si na plaži a odmah iza leđa ti betonski zid od dva metra i četiri trake pruge nije to baš to.

Odgovor neka bude razmišljanje Igora Lučenka, 72. brigada ukrajinske vojske

Oslobođeno Urozhaine

Danas su hrabri borci 37. gardijske zasebne motostreljačke brigade, 5. zasebne tenkovske brigade i 40. gardijske brigade marinaca, uz potporu topništva 30. brigade, ovladali naseljem Urožajne.

Cenzura Aleksije.( Ne znam za Bobovca, osim sto se dobro zabavlja ovdje.)
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Hamas?

Od Rusa više lažu jedino pravoslavni Turci.

Druze, sto si toliko opsednut Srbima?

...evo još dvojice lažovčina ...protestanski i katolički ...latinoturčin, i agloturčin...

Škripi zubnom protezom ,biće ti lakše...

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