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zalutala · **Pridružen/a:** 27 lis 2022, 11:02 **Postovi:** 2803

Iz knjige: o državi Božjoj, svetog Augustina, dio u kojem odgovara na optužbe da su kršćani krivi za prpoast RC-

30. That those who complain of Christianity really desire to live without restraint in shameful luxury.

If the famous Scipio Nasica were now alive, who was once your pontiff, and was unanimously chosen by the senate, when, in the panic created by the Punic war, they sought for the best citizen to entertain the Phrygian goddess, he would curb this shamelessness of yours, though you would perhaps scarcely dare to look upon the countenance of such a man. For why in your calamities do you complain of Christianity, unless because you desire to enjoy your luxurious licence unrestrained, and to lead an abandoned and profligate life without the interruption of any uneasiness or disaster? For certainly your desire for peace, and prosperity, and plenty is not prompted by any purpose of using these blessings honestly, that is to say, with moderation, sobriety, temperance, and piety; for your purpose rather is to run riot in an endless variety of sottish pleasures, and thus to generate from your prosperity a moral pestilence which will prove a thousand-fold more disastrous than the fiercest enemies. It was such a calamity as this that Scipio, your chief pontiff, your best man in the judgment of the whole senate, feared when he refused to agree to the destruction of Carthage, Rome's rival; and opposed Cato, who advised its destruction. He feared security, that enemy of weak minds, and he perceived that a wholesome fear would be a fit guardian for the citizens. And[Pg 43] he was not mistaken: the event proved how wisely he had spoken. For when Carthage was destroyed, and the Roman republic delivered from its great cause of anxiety, a crowd of disastrous evils forthwith resulted from the prosperous condition of things. First concord was weakened, and destroyed by fierce and bloody seditions; then followed, by a concatenation of baleful causes, civil wars, which brought in their train such massacres, such bloodshed, such lawless and cruel proscription and plunder, that those Romans who, in the days of their virtue, had expected injury only at the hands of their enemies, now that their virtue was lost, suffered greater cruelties at the hands of their fellow-citizens. The lust of rule, which with other vices existed among the Romans in more unmitigated intensity than among any other people, after it had taken possession of the more powerful few, subdued under its yoke the rest, worn and wearied.

https://www.gutenberg.org/files/45304/4 ... 5304-h.htm

Ako sam dobro uspjela pronaći riječ je o ovome senatoru o kojem govori.
Ancient historian Appian records Nasica's rationale: Carthage should be spared "so that the Roman discipline, which was enervated by long peace, might be renewed by fear of the enemy."[34] Emulating Cato's rhetorical device, Nasica reportedly ended his addresses with "Carthago servanda est" (Carthage must be preserved), emphasizing that the absence of a formidable rival risked social strife and ethical decline within Rome.[33] As Pontifex Maximus and a holder of high offices including consulship in 155 BC, Nasica wielded significant influence, yet his arguments failed to sway the majority amid escalating incidents, such as Carthaginian violations of the 201 BC treaty.[35]
The Senate ultimately declared war in spring 149 BC, dispatching commissioners including Cato to demand Carthaginian disarmament and relocation, demands Nasica had opposed as provocations certain to ignite conflict.[4] His prescient warnings aligned with a tradition of realpolitik, positing that existential threats historically unified and disciplined republics, a view echoed in later reflections on Rome's post-war internal turmoil.[35]

https://grokipedia.com/page/Publius_Cor ... a_Corculum

Koliko je i je li kroz povijest dokazano da je republici, državi itd... potreban neki neprijatelj ili suparnik da bi ostala jaka?

Ili pojednostavljeno, drži li ovo vodu?
Ancient historian Appian records Nasica's rationale: Carthage should be spared "so that the Roman discipline, which was enervated by long peace, might be renewed by fear of the enemy"

DarkKnight · **Pridružen/a:** 22 pro 2025, 06:27 **Postovi:** 271

zalutala je napisao/la:

Iz knjige: o državi Božjoj, svetog Augustina, dio u kojem odgovara na optužbe da su kršćani krivi za prpoast RC-

30. That those who complain of Christianity really desire to live without restraint in shameful luxury.

If the famous Scipio Nasica were now alive, who was once your pontiff, and was unanimously chosen by the senate, when, in the panic created by the Punic war, they sought for the best citizen to entertain the Phrygian goddess, he would curb this shamelessness of yours, though you would perhaps scarcely dare to look upon the countenance of such a man. For why in your calamities do you complain of Christianity, unless because you desire to enjoy your luxurious licence unrestrained, and to lead an abandoned and profligate life without the interruption of any uneasiness or disaster? For certainly your desire for peace, and prosperity, and plenty is not prompted by any purpose of using these blessings honestly, that is to say, with moderation, sobriety, temperance, and piety; for your purpose rather is to run riot in an endless variety of sottish pleasures, and thus to generate from your prosperity a moral pestilence which will prove a thousand-fold more disastrous than the fiercest enemies. It was such a calamity as this that Scipio, your chief pontiff, your best man in the judgment of the whole senate, feared when he refused to agree to the destruction of Carthage, Rome's rival; and opposed Cato, who advised its destruction. He feared security, that enemy of weak minds, and he perceived that a wholesome fear would be a fit guardian for the citizens. And[Pg 43] he was not mistaken: the event proved how wisely he had spoken. For when Carthage was destroyed, and the Roman republic delivered from its great cause of anxiety, a crowd of disastrous evils forthwith resulted from the prosperous condition of things. First concord was weakened, and destroyed by fierce and bloody seditions; then followed, by a concatenation of baleful causes, civil wars, which brought in their train such massacres, such bloodshed, such lawless and cruel proscription and plunder, that those Romans who, in the days of their virtue, had expected injury only at the hands of their enemies, now that their virtue was lost, suffered greater cruelties at the hands of their fellow-citizens. The lust of rule, which with other vices existed among the Romans in more unmitigated intensity than among any other people, after it had taken possession of the more powerful few, subdued under its yoke the rest, worn and wearied.

https://www.gutenberg.org/files/45304/4 ... 5304-h.htm

Ako sam dobro uspjela pronaći riječ je o ovome senatoru o kojem govori.
Ancient historian Appian records Nasica's rationale: Carthage should be spared "so that the Roman discipline, which was enervated by long peace, might be renewed by fear of the enemy."[34] Emulating Cato's rhetorical device, Nasica reportedly ended his addresses with "Carthago servanda est" (Carthage must be preserved), emphasizing that the absence of a formidable rival risked social strife and ethical decline within Rome.[33] As Pontifex Maximus and a holder of high offices including consulship in 155 BC, Nasica wielded significant influence, yet his arguments failed to sway the majority amid escalating incidents, such as Carthaginian violations of the 201 BC treaty.[35]
The Senate ultimately declared war in spring 149 BC, dispatching commissioners including Cato to demand Carthaginian disarmament and relocation, demands Nasica had opposed as provocations certain to ignite conflict.[4] His prescient warnings aligned with a tradition of realpolitik, positing that existential threats historically unified and disciplined republics, a view echoed in later reflections on Rome's post-war internal turmoil.[35]

https://grokipedia.com/page/Publius_Cor ... a_Corculum

Koliko je i je li kroz povijest dokazano da je republici, državi itd... potreban neki neprijatelj ili suparnik da bi ostala jaka?

Ili pojednostavljeno, drži li ovo vodu?
Ancient historian Appian records Nasica's rationale: Carthage should be spared "so that the Roman discipline, which was enervated by long peace, might be renewed by fear of the enemy"

U ovom slučaju ne radi se samo o nestanku rivala, nego se radi o civilizacijskoj usamljenosti, ostali su praktički jedini veliki igrač u onom što je tadašnji Rim smatrao "pismenim svijetom". U tom slučaju logičan je raskol među elitama koje povuku plemena/narode/klasne razrede sa sobom.

Homogeni etnički narodi ne trebaju vanjskog neprijatelja da bi opstali ili da bi se homogenizirali. Japan je npr trebao vanjsku ugrozu da prihvate Tokyo kao glavni grad i cara kao centralnu figuru, ali evo da su sad BFF sa svima oko njih, ne bi se raspali iznutra. Kina da nema Partije i da nemaju ekonomski rivalitet, bi se raspala iznutra, što bi dovelo do krvoprolića. Zato su Kinezi toliko odani Partiji, ne jer ju nešto posebno vole, nego znaju sta bi se desilo bez centralne vlasti. Međusobno bi se poklali, pa glad, pa opet klanje, i onda stoljetno siromaštvo.

zalutala · **Pridružen/a:** 27 lis 2022, 11:02 **Postovi:** 2803

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zalutala je napisao/la:

Iz knjige: o državi Božjoj, svetog Augustina, dio u kojem odgovara na optužbe da su kršćani krivi za prpoast RC-

30. That those who complain of Christianity really desire to live without restraint in shameful luxury.

If the famous Scipio Nasica were now alive, who was once your pontiff, and was unanimously chosen by the senate, when, in the panic created by the Punic war, they sought for the best citizen to entertain the Phrygian goddess, he would curb this shamelessness of yours, though you would perhaps scarcely dare to look upon the countenance of such a man. For why in your calamities do you complain of Christianity, unless because you desire to enjoy your luxurious licence unrestrained, and to lead an abandoned and profligate life without the interruption of any uneasiness or disaster? For certainly your desire for peace, and prosperity, and plenty is not prompted by any purpose of using these blessings honestly, that is to say, with moderation, sobriety, temperance, and piety; for your purpose rather is to run riot in an endless variety of sottish pleasures, and thus to generate from your prosperity a moral pestilence which will prove a thousand-fold more disastrous than the fiercest enemies. It was such a calamity as this that Scipio, your chief pontiff, your best man in the judgment of the whole senate, feared when he refused to agree to the destruction of Carthage, Rome's rival; and opposed Cato, who advised its destruction. He feared security, that enemy of weak minds, and he perceived that a wholesome fear would be a fit guardian for the citizens. And[Pg 43] he was not mistaken: the event proved how wisely he had spoken. For when Carthage was destroyed, and the Roman republic delivered from its great cause of anxiety, a crowd of disastrous evils forthwith resulted from the prosperous condition of things. First concord was weakened, and destroyed by fierce and bloody seditions; then followed, by a concatenation of baleful causes, civil wars, which brought in their train such massacres, such bloodshed, such lawless and cruel proscription and plunder, that those Romans who, in the days of their virtue, had expected injury only at the hands of their enemies, now that their virtue was lost, suffered greater cruelties at the hands of their fellow-citizens. The lust of rule, which with other vices existed among the Romans in more unmitigated intensity than among any other people, after it had taken possession of the more powerful few, subdued under its yoke the rest, worn and wearied.

https://www.gutenberg.org/files/45304/4 ... 5304-h.htm

Ako sam dobro uspjela pronaći riječ je o ovome senatoru o kojem govori.
Ancient historian Appian records Nasica's rationale: Carthage should be spared "so that the Roman discipline, which was enervated by long peace, might be renewed by fear of the enemy."[34] Emulating Cato's rhetorical device, Nasica reportedly ended his addresses with "Carthago servanda est" (Carthage must be preserved), emphasizing that the absence of a formidable rival risked social strife and ethical decline within Rome.[33] As Pontifex Maximus and a holder of high offices including consulship in 155 BC, Nasica wielded significant influence, yet his arguments failed to sway the majority amid escalating incidents, such as Carthaginian violations of the 201 BC treaty.[35]
The Senate ultimately declared war in spring 149 BC, dispatching commissioners including Cato to demand Carthaginian disarmament and relocation, demands Nasica had opposed as provocations certain to ignite conflict.[4] His prescient warnings aligned with a tradition of realpolitik, positing that existential threats historically unified and disciplined republics, a view echoed in later reflections on Rome's post-war internal turmoil.[35]

https://grokipedia.com/page/Publius_Cor ... a_Corculum

Koliko je i je li kroz povijest dokazano da je republici, državi itd... potreban neki neprijatelj ili suparnik da bi ostala jaka?

Ili pojednostavljeno, drži li ovo vodu?
Ancient historian Appian records Nasica's rationale: Carthage should be spared "so that the Roman discipline, which was enervated by long peace, might be renewed by fear of the enemy"

U ovom slučaju ne radi se samo o nestanku rivala, nego se radi o civilizacijskoj usamljenosti, ostali su praktički jedini veliki igrač u onom što je tadašnji Rim smatrao "pismenim svijetom". U tom slučaju logičan je raskol među elitama koje povuku plemena/narode/klasne razrede sa sobom.

Homogeni etnički narodi ne trebaju vanjskog neprijatelja da bi opstali ili da bi se homogenizirali. Japan je npr trebao vanjsku ugrozu da prihvate Tokyo kao glavni grad i cara kao centralnu figuru, ali evo da su sad BFF sa svima oko njih, ne bi se raspali iznutra. Kina da nema Partije i da nemaju ekonomski rivalitet, bi se raspala iznutra, što bi dovelo do krvoprolića. Zato su Kinezi toliko odani Partiji, ne jer ju nešto posebno vole, nego znaju sta bi se desilo bez centralne vlasti. Međusobno bi se poklali, pa glad, pa opet klanje, i onda stoljetno siromaštvo.

Ako možeš malo pojasniti to u vezi RC.
Našla sam ovu emisiju https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuwH33zKcsg&t=2422s dosta zanimljiva, no bavi se kasnijim događajima, netom pred pad i sam pad RC. Ne dodiruju se Kartage niti ovog ssenatora o kojem sv. Augustin piše

Clint Eastwood · **Pridružen/a:** 15 srp 2019, 20:21 **Postovi:** 960

Rimljani su imali Parte i kasnije Sasanide za neprijatelje.
Također su imali neprijatelje među Germanima koji su upadali u samu Italiju za vrijeme vhunca RC u drugom stoljeću.
Ideja da nisu imali rivale nakon punskih ratova je imbecilna.
Kao i ona o isključivo unutarnjoj propasti RC.
U euroazijskoj stepi su se dogodila neka tehnološka dostignuća (stremen, pouno sedlo) koja su potpuno promjenila tadašnji način ratovanja, i obesmislila dotadašnje masovne pješačke vojske na kojima se temeljio rimski vojni uspijeh.
Propast RC je možda ne u potpunosti ali dobrim dijelom bio jednostavno poraz na bojnom polju.

Sokolić · **Pridružen/a:** 14 sij 2013, 22:25 **Postovi:** 6489

Nije nuždan, ali je koristan.
Prid vanjskon ugrozon potiskujedu se međusobne zavade. Uglavnon. Nike pute ni tada.
Bizant je takvi slučaj. Navale raznin muslimanskih država, pritidu opstanku Bizanta na Maloj Aziji, s koje su ih uvelike potisli, ali to nije spričilo egotripere da se međusobno glođedu dok vanjski neprijatej uzimje komad po komad.
I Hrvati u Austro-Ugarskoj su sličan problem. Imaš zapisano di je jedan Austrijanac zapisa da su Hrvati svisni da in je situacija "aus-aus" (ili-ili, gori kuća), što ih ne spričava da se međusobno kolju do smrti.

Domovinski rat dobar je primir di su se Hrvati prid vanjskon opasnošću se stavili svi pod jednu zastavu. Božanskin čudon. One okorjele slučaje koje su i tad ostali protiv, ne triba spominjat, doista su bili manjina u manjini.

Eminencija · **Pridružen/a:** 17 svi 2018, 23:02 **Postovi:** 6660

Clint Eastwood je napisao/la:

Rimljani su imali Parte i kasnije Sasanide za neprijatelje.
Također su imali neprijatelje među Germanima koji su upadali u samu Italiju za vrijeme vhunca RC u drugom stoljeću.
Ideja da nisu imali rivale nakon punskih ratova je imbecilna.
Kao i ona o isključivo unutarnjoj propasti RC.
U euroazijskoj stepi su se dogodila neka tehnološka dostignuća (stremen, pouno sedlo) koja su potpuno promjenila tadašnji način ratovanja, i obesmislila dotadašnje masovne pješačke vojske na kojima se temeljio rimski vojni uspijeh.
Propast RC je možda ne u potpunosti ali dobrim dijelom bio jednostavno poraz na bojnom polju.

Germani su rimljanima bili neprijatelji ko afganistan amerikancima :)

Nisu germani nista mogli rimskim legijama daa se one same medjusobom nisu unistavale.

Ceha · **Pridružen/a:** 08 svi 2009, 12:12 **Postovi:** 31981

Eminencija je napisao/la:

Clint Eastwood je napisao/la:

Rimljani su imali Parte i kasnije Sasanide za neprijatelje.
Također su imali neprijatelje među Germanima koji su upadali u samu Italiju za vrijeme vhunca RC u drugom stoljeću.
Ideja da nisu imali rivale nakon punskih ratova je imbecilna.
Kao i ona o isključivo unutarnjoj propasti RC.
U euroazijskoj stepi su se dogodila neka tehnološka dostignuća (stremen, pouno sedlo) koja su potpuno promjenila tadašnji način ratovanja, i obesmislila dotadašnje masovne pješačke vojske na kojima se temeljio rimski vojni uspijeh.
Propast RC je možda ne u potpunosti ali dobrim dijelom bio jednostavno poraz na bojnom polju.

Germani su rimljanima bili neprijatelji ko afganistan amerikancima :)

Nisu germani nista mogli rimskim legijama daa se one same medjusobom nisu unistavale.

Meni je žao kaj Oktavijan, pa Marko Aruelije nisu uspostavili granicu na potezu Laba, češko gorje, Karpati...
Šteta je i kaj Trajan nije ostao u Mezopotamiji, pa

Bilo bi interesantno da imamo Bjelohrvatsku kao granicu s Rimom.
Ok, i jesmo bili, u Tanaisu se spomiju Hrvati, a to je tada rimski grad, ali zabačeno sve...

Clint Eastwood · **Pridružen/a:** 15 srp 2019, 20:21 **Postovi:** 960

Eminencija je napisao/la:

Clint Eastwood je napisao/la:

Rimljani su imali Parte i kasnije Sasanide za neprijatelje.
Također su imali neprijatelje među Germanima koji su upadali u samu Italiju za vrijeme vhunca RC u drugom stoljeću.
Ideja da nisu imali rivale nakon punskih ratova je imbecilna.
Kao i ona o isključivo unutarnjoj propasti RC.
U euroazijskoj stepi su se dogodila neka tehnološka dostignuća (stremen, pouno sedlo) koja su potpuno promjenila tadašnji način ratovanja, i obesmislila dotadašnje masovne pješačke vojske na kojima se temeljio rimski vojni uspijeh.
Propast RC je možda ne u potpunosti ali dobrim dijelom bio jednostavno poraz na bojnom polju.

Germani su rimljanima bili neprijatelji ko afganistan amerikancima :)

Nisu germani nista mogli rimskim legijama daa se one same medjusobom nisu unistavale.

Germani za vrijeme kasnog carstva prihvaćaju stepsku konjaničku tehnologiju koja je obesmislila dotadašnju rimsku vojnu doktrinu, i prisilia rimljane da se prešaltaju na ono što bi danas smtrali više srednjovjekovnim načinom ratovanja.

Citat:

During the Migration Period, Germanic tribes (most notably the Vandals, Goths, and Gepids) heavily adopted and adapted Sarmatian and Alanic military equipment. This "Sarmatisation" of Germanic warfare dramatically shifted tribal armies from relying solely on infantry and light skirmishing to fielding powerful, armored heavy cavalry and utilizing advanced nomadic weaponry.

Nisu to tada bili nikakvi rani Germani iz šume, nego po opremi stepski narod a zna se da su stepski stočarski narodi vojno jači od onih sjedilačkih sve do izuma vatrenog oružja.

Clint Eastwood · **Pridružen/a:** 15 srp 2019, 20:21 **Postovi:** 960

Ceha je napisao/la:

Eminencija je napisao/la:

Germani su rimljanima bili neprijatelji ko afganistan amerikancima :)

Nisu germani nista mogli rimskim legijama daa se one same medjusobom nisu unistavale.

Meni je žao kaj Oktavijan, pa Marko Aruelije nisu uspostavili granicu na potezu Laba, češko gorje, Karpati...
Šteta je i kaj Trajan nije ostao u Mezopotamiji, pa

Bilo bi interesantno da imamo Bjelohrvatsku kao granicu s Rimom.
Ok, i jesmo bili, u Tanaisu se spomiju Hrvati, a to je tada rimski grad, ali zabačeno sve...

Bilo bi zanimljivo gledati verziju alternativne povijesti u kojoj je opstala Bijela Hrvatska.
Mislim da bi svijet bio ljepši sa nepostojanjem autohtonista, Šarića, Primorca i ekipe.

zalutala · **Pridružen/a:** 27 lis 2022, 11:02 **Postovi:** 2803

Eminencija je napisao/la:

Clint Eastwood je napisao/la:

Rimljani su imali Parte i kasnije Sasanide za neprijatelje.
Također su imali neprijatelje među Germanima koji su upadali u samu Italiju za vrijeme vhunca RC u drugom stoljeću.
Ideja da nisu imali rivale nakon punskih ratova je imbecilna.
Kao i ona o isključivo unutarnjoj propasti RC.
U euroazijskoj stepi su se dogodila neka tehnološka dostignuća (stremen, pouno sedlo) koja su potpuno promjenila tadašnji način ratovanja, i obesmislila dotadašnje masovne pješačke vojske na kojima se temeljio rimski vojni uspijeh.
Propast RC je možda ne u potpunosti ali dobrim dijelom bio jednostavno poraz na bojnom polju.

Germani su rimljanima bili neprijatelji ko afganistan amerikancima :)

Nisu germani nista mogli rimskim legijama daa se one same medjusobom nisu unistavale.

Pa da, imali su dosta građanskih ratova.

Eminencija · **Pridružen/a:** 17 svi 2018, 23:02 **Postovi:** 6660

Clint Eastwood je napisao/la:

Eminencija je napisao/la:

Germani su rimljanima bili neprijatelji ko afganistan amerikancima :)

Nisu germani nista mogli rimskim legijama daa se one same medjusobom nisu unistavale.

Germani za vrijeme kasnog carstva prihvaćaju stepsku konjaničku tehnologiju koja je obesmislila dotadašnju rimsku vojnu doktrinu, i prisilia rimljane da se prešaltaju na ono što bi danas smtrali više srednjovjekovnim načinom ratovanja.

Citat:

During the Migration Period, Germanic tribes (most notably the Vandals, Goths, and Gepids) heavily adopted and adapted Sarmatian and Alanic military equipment. This "Sarmatisation" of Germanic warfare dramatically shifted tribal armies from relying solely on infantry and light skirmishing to fielding powerful, armored heavy cavalry and utilizing advanced nomadic weaponry.

Nisu to tada bili nikakvi rani Germani iz šume, nego po opremi stepski narod a zna se da su stepski stočarski narodi vojno jači od onih sjedilačkih sve do izuma vatrenog oružja.

To ti je popularna percepcija a ne stvarno akademsko misljenje.
Rimljanima nije strano nego je to standardna praksa da im se taktika obezvrijedi pa da kopiraju novu.
Malo ljudi zna da su mauri i opcenito sjeverna afrika taktiku konjanika srtijelaca pokupili u spanjolskoj od rimske konjice. Rimljani su ti te alanske taktilke kojna i koplja pokupili jos i ranije i koristili po potrebi.
Rimske legije su ti se i na hune prilagodile i porazile ih i otjerale iz italije ali to filmovi nepokazuju jer onda prica nema glavu i rep.

Eminencija · **Pridružen/a:** 17 svi 2018, 23:02 **Postovi:** 6660

Clint Eastwood je napisao/la:

Ceha je napisao/la:

Meni je žao kaj Oktavijan, pa Marko Aruelije nisu uspostavili granicu na potezu Laba, češko gorje, Karpati...
Šteta je i kaj Trajan nije ostao u Mezopotamiji, pa

Bilo bi interesantno da imamo Bjelohrvatsku kao granicu s Rimom.
Ok, i jesmo bili, u Tanaisu se spomiju Hrvati, a to je tada rimski grad, ali zabačeno sve...

Bilo bi zanimljivo gledati verziju alternativne povijesti u kojoj je opstala Bijela Hrvatska.
Mislim da bi svijet bio ljepši sa nepostojanjem autohtonista, Šarića, Primorca i ekipe.

Po meni nebi.
Nista u svijetu se nije dobro desilo osim pojave krscanstva i zapadne europe.
Rim je bio jedna planska ekonomija u kojoj vlada covjek koji se proglasio bogom.Doslovno su dodjeljivali trgovacke licence trgovcima ne po meritumu nego samo dok ne zarade tolko i tolko a onda ga sutnu i dodjeljuju pravo trgovanja nekome ko jos nema para =))

Sovjetski savez,ustajalo robolasnicko drustvo,tehnicki i znanstveno stagnirajuce.

Eminencija · **Pridružen/a:** 17 svi 2018, 23:02 **Postovi:** 6660

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Germani su rimljanima bili neprijatelji ko afganistan amerikancima :)

Nisu germani nista mogli rimskim legijama daa se one same medjusobom nisu unistavale.

Pa da, imali su dosta građanskih ratova.

Rimljani su inspirirali targeryene iz GOTa.
Doslovno je pokraj cara drugi najjaci covjek na svijetu njegov princ pa njegov brat i tako dalje.Svaki pojedinacno je vojno veca sila od svih okolnih naroda al jebiga svako oce svojoj guzici tron priskrbit pa nek provincije gore nek ih guze narodi koji se neznaju ni oprat.
Slicno ko danasnja europa :zubati

Ceha · **Pridružen/a:** 08 svi 2009, 12:12 **Postovi:** 31981

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Meni je žao kaj Oktavijan, pa Marko Aruelije nisu uspostavili granicu na potezu Laba, češko gorje, Karpati...
Šteta je i kaj Trajan nije ostao u Mezopotamiji, pa

Bilo bi interesantno da imamo Bjelohrvatsku kao granicu s Rimom.
Ok, i jesmo bili, u Tanaisu se spomiju Hrvati, a to je tada rimski grad, ali zabačeno sve...

Bilo bi zanimljivo gledati verziju alternativne povijesti u kojoj je opstala Bijela Hrvatska.
Mislim da bi svijet bio ljepši sa nepostojanjem autohtonista, Šarića, Primorca i ekipe.

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