DA" Jews accept others can have different religions. Jews must obey the law of the land, if ethical."
Three Jewels/Trinity Christians The Blessed Trinity: In the name of the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit
Jews God, people, and Israel

Sta je tu sad sporno?

Ovo je teokracija znači nema demokratije u Izraelu Jews must obey the law of the land, if ethical."
ko to može očekivati.
Jews God, people, and Israel Odabrani narod goyim nije ravan jevreju.

Sta se tu cudis? Pogledaj Pakistan i slicne drzave, mislis da je tamo drugacije?
Tema je Izrael i vrlo je jednostavna:
Arapi gube sve ratove protiv Izraela i sad se cude sto im ovi oduzimaju zemlju (tako je to u ratu).
Koji god sistem Izraelci uvedu, njihov je, oni su gazde i pobjednici. Oni odlucuju.

Tako jednostavno.

Onda je to iz šupljeg u prazno. Arapi su iskreni po tome pitanju nema demokratije zbog vjerskog turizma i eto nema crkava u Saudiskoj Arabiji. Zamisli crkvu u Meki to je isto kao zamisliti džamiju u Vatikanu e sad vidi Jerusalem ima "podlogu " za multi kulti :Betlehem Palestina crkva i džamija onda Jerusalem Mesdžidul aqsa Isusov grob i Zid Plača.
Samo što nije to baš tako, realno mogu oni muslimane istjerati i napraviti neku trampu sa katolicima za Palestinu ali Jevreji usluge naplaćuju kamatama osim što im je zabranjeno da Jevrej Jevreju kamatu da na dug.

The combination of loans and interest, in Judaism, is a complicated and detailed subject. The biblical Hebrew terms for interest are neshekh (Hebrew: נשך‎), literally meaning a bite, and marbit/tarbit (מרבית‎/תרבית), which specifically refers to the gain by the creditor;[1] neshekh referred to interest that was charged by deducting it from the loaned money itself, before the loaned money was handed over to the debtor, while marbit/tarbit referred to interest that was charged by adding it to the amount due to be repaid.[2] The word marbit/tarbit, which referred to the form of interest more familiar in modern times, became ribbit (ריבית), in later Hebrew, and hence in modern Hebrew. Similar to the Arabic word Riba used in the Quran.

The Torah and Talmud encourage the granting of loans if they do not involve interest. But the halakhah [applicable Jewish law] regarding free loans apply only to loans made to other Jews. It is permissible to make loans with interest to non-Jews.[3] Charging interest is classed in the Book of Ezekiel as being among the worst sins,[4] and is forbidden according to Jewish law. The Talmud dwells particularly on Ezekiel's condemnation of interest,[5] where Ezekiel denounces it as an abomination, and metaphorically portrays usurers as people who have shed blood.
Stvarno su majstori.

Dzamija nema u Vatikanu ali zato ih ima u Rimu koliko hoces.

Mislim da multi-kulti u Izraelu nema bas nikakvu buducnost.
A za ostalo: cut ce se.

Vatikan i Saudijska Arabija nije isto. Ko je kriv Vatikanu što nema veće teokracije od samog sebe, on je najbogati u Europi dok je i Meka dobro imućna.
U Meki je nemoguće da bude nemuslimanska Bogomolja zbog Umre to ti je kao hadždž samo što se može posjetiti svaki dan Kaba i mjesto Arefata.
Hadždž je isključivo za Kurban Bajram.

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the Christian quarter of Jerusalem’s Old City, the merchants have strung up rows of brightly coloured lights and set out their Christmas decorations: inflatable Santas and plastic globes that blow up little pellets that resemble falling snow.
Down the stone steps of St Francis Street, a sound drifts through the air that brings a touch of the Scottish Highlands to this corner of the Middle East: the skirl of the bagpipes wafts from a building where a group of Roman Catholic boy scouts are practising for a Christmas Eve performance.
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John Abdallah strikes a few beats on his snare drum to get the music going before being joined by a second drummer; two pipers chime in, weaving in a wailing riff with a distinctly Arabic rhythm and tone.
The Holy Land’s bagpipe-playing Christian scouts are on the march again this Christmas — a quirky cultural legacy of the British Mandate, and a timely reminder of the multicultural and multifaith make-up of the region. Just a few blocks from St Francis Street, in Jewish west Jerusalem, blue lights have been strung up to celebrate Hanukkah.
Although the residents of this part of the world have their differences, they are happy to lift elements of one another’s music, words, cuisine, even religion — or at least watch the festivities keenly from the roadside. Among the visitors to the Christmas market in largely Arab and Christian Nazareth, a two-hour drive from Jerusalem, are Jewish Israelis and Muslim Arabs keen to soak up a bit of their own Christmas kitsch.
Palestine’s British rulers brought scouting to Jerusalem, as they did to other parts of the then-Empire following the first world war. It is said a Scottish regiment stationed here brought the bagpipes.
The British are long gone, but the bagpipes have stayed, even if they are played in a way that produces a strange form of fusion music. In the hands of the scouts, this means Arabised takes on Scottish airs, hymns and Christmas carols, and Palestinian traditional and patriotic songs.
Few can read music, so they learn by ear from one another on songs downloaded from the internet. The bagpipes arrive by mail order from Scotland, costing about €1,300 a set, not including customs duties.
Among other things, the festivity is a forceful show of numbers for a minority community. The Christian population in Jerusalem has fallen in recent years because of emigration. Christians make up between 1 per cent and 2.5 per cent of th


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We have to prove we are here, we are Christian, we are Palestinian — not just Muslims,” George Saadeh, the scouts’ leader, says. “This is our country and we will never go out.”
Another Catholic scout leader, who gives his name only as Jack, also cites identity politics, which resonate after a year in which conflict between Israel and the Palestinians resurfaced. “We are here so we can show that this isn’t just a Muslim country or a Jewish country — we are here too,” he says.
You only have a problem if you raise the Palestinian flag. If you don’t, they can’t complain
- Mary Mina, Orthodox scout
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There are scouting troops for most of the churches in the Holy Land, including Orthodox, Syriac Christians, Armenians, Copts and Melkites. The groups march, throw batons, and play on Christian holidays such as Christmas and Easter. There are Muslim, and mixed or secular scouting groups too, and a friendly rivalry exists among them; it is said that the Catholic scouts are the best in Jerusalem, but the Orthodox are Bethlehem’s finest.
There is nothing overtly political about the scouting movement. As elsewhere, scouts voice support for wholesome values such as duty to others and love of the nation: their slogan “Be Prepared” is translated as “kun musta’idan” in Arabic.
At the Catholic scouts’ Jerusalem lodge, a picture of Christ on the cross is displayed alongside one of Robert Baden-Powell, founder of the scouting movement and resplendent in Edwardian moustache and dimpled green scout’s hat.
But as always in the Holy Land, conflict hovers in the near background. The scouts’ marches in Jerusalem are the biggest officially sanctioned public demonstrations in which young Palestinians can take part. Palestinians in East Jerusalem are barred by the Israeli authorities from staging overtly political demonstrations or meetings.
“You only have a problem if you raise the Palestinian flag,” says Mary Mina, who is involved with Jerusalem’s Orthodox scouts. “If you don’t, they can’t complain.”
On St Francis Street, Mr Abdallah is tuning his drum so it produces, he says, “a good clean sound”. After the Christmas Eve performance at New Gate in the Old City, he and the other scouts will board a bus for Bethlehem in the West Bank, across the Israeli security wall.
At the end of a year marred by conflict in the Holy Land, he says his aim this Christmas is simple: “Make people happy in the streets — make them completely happy.”
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Zapadna obala: Povređeni Izraelci
IZVOR: TANJUG
Tel Aviv -- Dvoje Izraelaca, otac i njegova kćerka (11) ranjeni su na Zapadnoj obali kada je zapaljiva bomba bačena na njihov automobil, koji je potom zahvatila vatra.


Ćerka je pogođena u lice i gornji deo tela i u ozbiljnom je stanju zbog opekotina trećeg stepena, dok je otac zadobio lakše povrede, navode izraelski mediji.

Izraelska vojska je odmah zatvorila lokaciju napada i traži osobu koja je bacila bombu. Na ulazu na obližnje selo postavljen je kontrolni punkt. Početkom ovog meseca dvoje Izraelaca ranjeno je nožem u supermarketu kraj jevrejskog naselja Maale Adumim, takođe na Zapadnoj obali. Krajem novembra jedna žena je ubijena i dvoje ljudi je ranjeno nožem kraj jednog jevrejskog naselja.

Napetost između dva narda porasla je u poslednjih nekoliko meseci i učestali su sukobi između izraelskih bezbednosnih snaga i palestinskih demonstranata u Jeruslimu najviše zbog spornog verskog mesta ,svetog i za Jevreje i za muslimane. Bilo je takođe palestinskih napada u tom gradu i nasilje se proširilo i na druge delove Izraela i Zapadnu obalu.

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Šta rade ovi islamski teroristi to je strašno !

What is metter with you so "called" choosen people.

Odakle ti da je u Izraelu teokracija?

Teoretski je demokaratija dok je praktično teokratija.

U manjoj mjeri sekularan nego druge države, no teokracija je jedan sasvim drugi pojam.

Jesi ti 1/1? Kako će u teoretski demokratskom sustavu, zaživjeti teokracija? Je li glavni rabin donosi zakone? Zašto je premijer ateista?

Izrael je sekularniji od Hrvatske i Srbije, npr.

Nacionalizam i religija u Jevreja nije odvojeno.
Selektivna demokratija u neku ruku.

Religija je dio nacionalnog identiteta Židova, isto kao što je to katoličanstvo kod Hrvata ili islam kod Bošnjaka. Dakle, ipak je odvojeno, ali je dio identiteta. To je kao da kažeš da je Srbija teokracija, jer je srpski identitet pravoslavlje.

Izrael spada u države s najnaprednijom demokracijom u svijetu. Kakva teokracija? Iran je teokracija, Saudijska Arabija, uvjetno rečeno - teokracija (vjerski autoritet sudjeluje u donošenje odluka, uz kralja i dinastiju). Pa više je npr. bošnjačka politika teokratska, jer IZ ima snažan utjecaj na SDA. Samo meni ne pada na pamet to nazvat teokracijom, već baš oprečno - demokracijom. Gdje su utjecaji slobodni, bilo pojedinaca ili organizacija, pa i vjerskih. Naravno, najbolje bi bilo da su svi ljudi pametni, pa da im ničiji utjecaj ne bude potreban, ali nije tako.

Srbin može biti musliman, dok Srbin ne može biti Jevrej o tom se radi.

Loše si informiran. Srbin može biti židov, i bilo ih je takvih, npr. Moša Pijade. :) Hrvatski židov je npr. Slobodan Lang itd. Onda imaš i židove katolike, glupo zvuči, jer im je pravilan naziv hebrejski katolici. Tako da...

he most commonly used word for a non-Jew is goy. The word "goy" means "nation," and refers to the fact that goyim are members of other nations, that is, nations other than the Children of Israel.

There is nothing inherently insulting about the word "goy." In fact, the Torah occasionally refers to the Jewish people using the term "goy." Most notably, in Exodus 19:6, G-d says that the Children of Israel will be "a kingdom of priests and a holy nation," that is, a goy kadosh. Because Jews have had so many bad experiences with anti-Semitic non-Jews over the centuries, the term "goy" has taken on some negative connotations, but in general the term is no more insulting than the word "gentile."

The more insulting terms for non-Jews are shiksa (feminine) and shkutz (masculine). I gather that these words are derived from the Hebrew root Shin-Qof-Tzadei, meaning loathsome or abomination. The word shiksa is most commonly used to refer to a non-Jewish woman who is dating or married to a Jewish man, which should give some indication of how strongly Jews are opposed to the idea of intermarriage. The term shkutz is most commonly used to refer to an anti-Semitic man. Both terms can be used in a less serious, more joking way, but in general they should be used with caution.

If you are offended to hear that Jewish culture has a negative term for non-Jews, I would recommend that you stop and think about the many negative terms and stereotypes that your culture has for Jews.
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Dakle židov u smislu nacije, a ne židov u smislu religije, na to se odnosi odredba Osnovnog zakona, da je Izrael židovska država i demokratska država. Židovi mogu sve ostale zvati kako hoće, to me uopće ne zanima, niti je bitno. Bitno je to da je židovstvo dio nacionalnog identiteta, pa ti ako si porijeklom židov, ti si za Izrael židov. To kaže i zakon o državljanstvu. Naravski, pod uvjetom da židovstvo osjećaš kao dio svog identiteta, mada ne moraš nužno biti religiozan. Također, izraelski zakon o državljanstvu daje pravo na državljanstvo svim ljudima koji se preobrate na židovstvo, i na židovstvu ostanu tri godine neprekidno. To je kao da Srbija u svoj zakon o državljanstvu kaže da će davati državljanstvo svima koji imaju srpsko porijeklo, koje mogu dokazat ili da budu pripadnici Srpske pravoslavne crkve kroz tri godine neprekidno. Što bi po meni bio zakon u redu i jest u redu. Sličan zakon ima i Hrvatska gdje došušta svim pripadnicima hrvatskog naroda da dobiju državljanstvo itd. Nacija je kao i religija, u određenom stupnju, dio identiteta, pitanje je koji identitet ima primarnost.

Što se tiče teokracije, jasno je kao dan da Izrael nije teokracija. Kojim zakonom je dopušteno vjerskim službenicima da sudjeluju u donošenju zakona? Niti jednim. Baš suprotno, Izrael je sekularna država, gdje vjerski službenici ni malo ne sudjeluju u legislativnoj, izvršnoj ili sudskoj vlasti, gdje je svima dopuštena potpuna sloboda ispovjedanja vjere itd.

Teokracija je npr. Iran, gdje je najviši vlastodržac - ajatola, odnosno vjerski poglavar. Takva je i Saudijska Arabija, gdje veliki muftija sudjeluje u vlasti paralelno uz kralja. Iako u Saudijskoj Arabiji ipak postoje napori kralja da smanji utjecaj muftije, no bez uspjeha, jer ovaj ima vehabije iza sebe koji prijete neredima, nasilnim preuzimanjem vlasti itd. Potom Vatikan je teokracija itd. Pa čak u određenom smislu i Ujedinjeno Kraljevstvo, gdje je kralj vjerski poglavar, odnosno gdje je vjerski poglavar šef države.