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Lijepo ih je Gadafi pitao i svi to znamo ''A sta cete sa izbjeglicama'' ?


Zajednički intervju Gadafija i sina Saifa, ni manje ni više nego za France 24, mart 2011. godine. Mediteran kao more haosa, milioni ilegalnih imigranata, teror pred vratima.

A i mi konja za trku imamo.

"I onda ćete, kada počnu vaše vratove da seku, da znate o čemu se tu radi... Glave su sekli i to su ti ludaci koji tamo rade, koje je skupila Klintonova politika u Bosni".



Gadafijevo proročanstvo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkWvBm9iQUs

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Ovo je bilo neki dan. Zakasnili ima 30 godina.

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France's Interior minister Bernard Cazeneuve speaks during a debate on the secularism in school, at the Jean Zay college, in Paris, France, Wednesday, Nov. 4, 2015. The school door and the cafeteria menu are the new front lines in the anguished debate over religion in France, where children in one Paris suburb this week were denied alternatives to pork in the name of secularism.

By LORI HINNANT, Associated Press

PARIS (AP) — This was the week that schoolchildren in one Paris suburb got a stark choice at the cafeteria: pork or nothing at all.

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Zapalili im onaj divlji kamp Calais na ulazu u UK tunel. Navodno "električne instalacije", moš misliti. Znaju to nakon par sati a sve izgorilo.

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Ko je stvorio uslove za ID ... placao, trenirao ID teroriste , taj je kriv za ovo i sve sto slijedi.
Nadam se da i ovaj put nece biti '' Pariz gori , a Oland se ceslja '' , nego ce se uci u samu sustinu problema .

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Francuzi se sjetili Marseljeze, ko komunist koji se sjeti popa na samrti.



Btw, nisam znao koliko je ta pjesma zapravo svevremenska i aktualna. Samo par strofa...

Da! Već drskih despota
I rulja emigranata
Ratujući sa Sankilotima
Našim oružjem su otjerani; (dvaput)
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na ljutom fanatizmu,
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Hajdemo! Djeco Domovine!
Dan slave je došao!
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Krvava zastava tiranije! (dvaput)
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Da zakolju vaše sinove, vaše supruge.

Pripjev:
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Meni patetika to vješanje nacionalnih zastava kad se ovako nešto dogodi. Da se nisu toga sramili desetljećima ne bi ovakve situacije ni imali.
Za masu ovoga je kriv EU sud i pravila iz Brisela koji samo probleme prave. Englezi su to dobro primjetili i ne žele sa tim više ništa imati.

Nisi mogao u puno EU država protjerati muslimana kriminalca. EU sud presudi da mora ostati i uživati u socijali zbog svoje djece i žene.

Morat će to promijeniti i prognoziram jako oštro i vrlo brzo. Vremena se više nema.

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The Paris Attacks: Understanding Islam

Posted on November 14, 2015 by michaelsherlockauthor

Somewhere around the world, right now, there is a family sitting and enjoying a meal together. Unbeknownst to them, there is an invisible clock ticking above their heads, counting down the last days of their happy life, which will be tragically and brutally torn asunder by Islamic extremists. The parents of this family aren’t anti-Muslim bigots, nor do they harbour any ill will for any particular group of people. They are a friendly, happy and loving family. If only we could find them and warn them, or better still, if only we could neutralise the threat that will inevitably end their loving lives, perhaps we could spare them the horrendous tragedy experienced by those whose lives were destroyed in the recent attacks in Paris.

Why does this keep happening? Is it simply the result of geo-political circumstances, or is there something else at the root of this ongoing extremist violence? Whilst we cannot ignore certain geo-political factors that have impacted upon the rise of various extremists groups, we must acknowledge the presence of a well-spring of religious inspiration that has provided the ink for, and meticulously penned, the manifestos of groups like ISIS, Al-Qaeda, and other Islamist groups. If we can locate the religious inspirational sources for such atrocities, perhaps, with a little courage and intellectual honesty, we can finally entertain an honest and frank dialogue on the dangers inherent within some of the core doctrines of the religion of Islam.

I’ll now highlight three of the primary factors that contribute to the seemingly unstoppable atrocities inspired by not only the medieval doctrines of Islam, but as a result of the pearl-encrusted pathways cleared for Islamists by both Islamic apologists and members of the group that the wise Maajid Nawaz calls ‘The Regressive Left’. As is my frequent penchant, I would like to preface this exposé with a qualification that is all too frequently lost on bigots and other poor thinkers who employ heuristic modes of thought to paint all Muslims with the same brush. Most Muslims, like most Christians, have a very limited understanding of the religion that has been forced upon them since childhood. Most haven’t read the biography of Muhammad, the hadiths, the exegetic traditions of the Qur’an, nor even the Qur’an. So, just as it is our responsibility to speak honestly with regards to the inherent dangers of the religion of Islam, so too is it our responsibility to recognize that reality is far more complicated than bigots and idiots like Glen Beck and Ann Coulter would have us believe.

Muhammad – The Perfect Muslim

There is scarcely a religious tyrant in history who managed to reach such depths of depravity, save Saint Francis Xavier and other sycophantic Christians of days long gone, than the “Prophet” Muhammad.

If you have the stomach, I’d encourage you to read through his biography. In it, you’ll come across innumerable instances of barbarity and brutal insanity. On one occasion, he had his men butcher a 17-year-old girl’s fiancé along with her entire family, and if this wasn’t horrendous enough, on that very night, he raped her. [1] On another occasion Muhammad’s mercenaries asked him whether it was lawful for a Muslim conqueror to ejaculate inside of a non-Muslim female captive, to which Muhammad advised, it is better not to ejaculate outside of your rape victim, because the birth of the child of the rapist and the rape victim might be predestined by Allah. [2]

Muhammad’s biography also tells of a Jewish critic that had said some less-than flattering things about Muhammad, and whom, it is reported, Muhammad had beheaded for blasphemy. [3] This founder of the Islamic faith also murdered men for treasure, [4] fondled and fornicated with a 9-year-old girl, [5] who grew up as his wife, charged with the responsibility of washing the semen stains from his pants each day before he visited the mosque, [6] and who, on one occasion, he beat in accordance with the Qur’an. [7]

Despite this depraved lunatic’s conduct, the Qur’an holds him up as the perfect Muslim, to be emulated in every facet of life.

‘Ye have indeed in the Messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern [of conduct] for anyone whose hope is in Allah and the Final Day, and who engages much in the Praise of Allah.’ Qur’an 33:21

Peaceful Qur’an vs Violent Qur’an

‘There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion’. Qur’an 2:256

‘When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.’ Qur’an 8:12

When attempting to defend the Qur’an, Muslim apologists and members of the Regressive Left cite the peaceful and benevolent verses that grace the Qur’an. These verses are noble, they are worth reading and adhering to, but they are, sadly, no longer applicable. What most people do not know, is that the Qur’an is divided into Meccan verses and Medinan verses, because it is alleged that Allah first revealed teachings to Muhammad in Mecca, during a time of peace, then later Allah, at least as the story goes, revealed verses to Muhammad whilst he was at war in Medina.

‘None of Our revelations do We [Allah] abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar: Knowest thou not that Allah Hath power over all things?’ Qur’an 2:106

‘When We substitute one revelation for another, – and Allah knows best what He reveals [in stages] – they say, “Thou art but a forger”: but most of them understand not.’ Qur’an 16:101

So, wherever peaceful Meccan verses conflict with violent Medinan verses, which ones apply? To resolve this problem, one needs to learn about an exegetic doctrine known in Arabic as na’skh. It’s not too complicated, so I’ll take you through it with an example of how violent verses abrogate earlier peaceful ones. Take the following two examples:

Meccan Verses Example:

Say: O disbelievers!
I worship not that which ye worship;
Nor worship ye that which I worship.
And I shall not worship that which ye worship.
Nor will ye worship that which I worship.
Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion. Qur’an 109:1-6

Medinan Verses Example:

“And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing…

but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)” Qur’an 2:191-193

This collection of Medinan verses relates to a historical conflict between Muslims and non-Muslims, and I’ll address the historical context argument in just a moment, but it is plain to see that these verses contradict the earlier ‘to you yours and to me mine’ passage. These later verses are taken to be the most up-to-date revelations, and consequently they abrogate the earlier peaceful verses. Another example is Surah (Chapter) 9:5, the ‘verse of the sword’ as it is known to scholars, which advocates murdering non-Muslims. Regarding the ‘verse of the sword’, Islamic scholars at Cambridge University say:

‘An interesting instance of such categorisation is the verse to which Ibn al-Jawz refers, ‘the verse of the sword’. This is the name given to Q 9:5, a verse that begins, ‘And when the sacred months have passed, kill the idolators wherever you find them . . .’ According to one of the standard treatises on this topic, Q 9:5 abrogates at least 124 other [peaceful] verses, the last of which is Q 109:6 [To you be your Way, and to me mine.].’ [8]

So, here we have a big problem. Of course, the majority of truly peaceful Muslims ignore, or are ignorant of, such exegetic doctrines, but those who zealously and extremely adhere to the fundamental doctrines of Islam, the extremists and the fundamentalists, are, generally speaking, familiar with such scholarship, and they subsequently draw their legitimacy from a legitimate interpretation of the more violent teachings of Islam.

Anticipated Apology – Historical Context Fiction

One of the most popular apologies for the more violent verses and teachings in the Qur’an is that they are restricted to a specific historical context, and no longer apply, which, as we have seen, isn’t in accordance with the doctrine of na’skh. To argue that teachings that encourage Muslims to wage violent Jihad, or that tell Muslims to extort jizya (protection money) from non-Muslims living in Muslim lands, is irrelevant today, is to argue that portions of the Qur’an are redundant, which, given the doctrine of abrogation, does fit with the inefficient manner of the Qur’an, but it is, in all honesty, an absurd apology.

The Qur’an is the central pillar of the Islamic religion, not Edward Gibbon’s ‘The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire’. Arguing that the more uncivilized teachings are restricted to specific historical contexts strips the Qur’an of its perceived all-pervading authority and renders it a partially-irrelevant piece of historical literature, which, as I’m sure most Muslims would agree, is a highly blasphemous assertion. To put it in other words, Muslims believe that the Qur’an is a book of laws that has not, and cannot be, overturned, unless specified within the Qur’an itself. I guess you could say that arguing that such uncivilized edicts are irrelevant today is like arguing that Roe v Wade (1973) is irrelevant to issues concerning women’s legal rights in the 21st century.

Until we begin to clearly appreciate the urgent necessity for an open, honest and informed dialogue on some of the more problematic doctrines of Islam, that innocent family sitting with a ticking clock over their heads will inevitably suffer the consequences of an insidious form of wilful ignorance, an ignorance propagated by the regressive Left and exploited by Islamic extremists. I’d encourage everyone to become familiar with not only the Qur’an but also, the commentaries that exegete its contents and, most importantly, the biography of the man who is held up as the perfect Muslim, the “Prophet Muhammad”. If we continue to ignore the obvious dangers posed to us by this medieval religion, we might expect to see the events of Paris repeated, over and over again.

Sources

Sahih al-Bukhari 1:367, 5:522.
Sahih al-Bukhari 5:59:459, Sahih al-Muslim 8:3371.
Ishaq:675.
al-Tabari Vol. 8, p. 123.
Sahih al-Bukhari 7:62:64, Sahih al-Muslim 8:3310.
Sahih al-Bukhari 1:4:231, 1:4:232, 1:4:233.
Sahih al-Muslim 4:2127, Qur’an 4:34.
Jane Dammen McAuliffe. The Cambridge Companion to the Qur’an. Cambridge, Cambridge University Press, 2007, pp. 187-188.

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I ovo će da prođe u fazonu da muslimani ispadnu veće žrtve od tolikih pobijenih ljudi. Teže je njima što su danas pod stresom, nego onima što su ih teroristi sjebali sinoć. Kakva zamena teza i bezobrazluk prema mrtvima i njihovim porodicama.

Strašno i žalosno, ALI... ali 99% muslimana nisu takvi, jadni kako sad da žive u Evropi, jadni što moraju da se pravdaju kad god se nešto slično desi, nije fer samo musliman da bude terorista, gori su KKK i Hitler... Ok, ukapirali smo. Svaka kritika islama i poziv na emancipaciju su islamofobija, kao što je islamofobija i novinarsko smeštanje islama u istu rečenicu sa likom koji viče ono njihovo dok kolje, na reč vam verujemo da je islam miroljubiva religija, kod vas poštujemo vaše zakone a kod nas... a i kod nas... Dobro. Krivica je tuđa.

Ja to ne mogu da svarim. Ako baš i moraju, moraju li a da se oni nesrećnici nisu još ni ohladili, nego istog momenta? A najglasniji Ameri, kojima je par minuta trebalo da se obruše na muslimane posle 9/11 i još ih okean deli od migranata sa BI.


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Ne bih se začudio da je u ovo upetljano još 50 osoba na slobodi. Veliko paniranje, nabavka materijala, organizacija, dugo vremena planirano.
Sama činjenica da pronađeš toliko samoubojica a da tajna služba pojma nema govori otkad se to planira. Nije baš da ih možeš na ulici pitati jesi raspoložen za takvu akciju.

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- Dan žalosti
- Zajednička šetnja gradom
- Obećanja političara o "beskompromisnoj borbi protiv terorizma"
- Mlake osude od strane par ljudi iz islamske zajednice, uz apel da ovo nije pravi Islam
- Promjena par parafa u nekom zakonu
- Solidarnost heštegova i avatara na Twitteru, društvenim mrežama i svjetskim medijima
- .....
- Repriza za 3-9 mjeseci
- I opet ukrug

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Predviđanja:

- Dan žalosti
- Zajednička šetnja gradom
- Obećanja političara o "beskompromisnoj borbi protiv terorizma"
- Mlake osude od strane par ljudi iz islamske zajednice, uz apel da ovo nije pravi Islam
- Promjena par parafa u nekom zakonu
- Solidarnost heštegova i avatara na Twitteru, društvenim mrežama i svjetskim medijima
- .....
- Repriza za 3-9 mjeseci
- I opet ukrug


Kako kažu da se povijest ponavlja možeš dodati i ovo:

- Generali preuzimaju vlast na silu.

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Predviđanja:

- Dan žalosti
- Zajednička šetnja gradom
- Obećanja političara o "beskompromisnoj borbi protiv terorizma"
- Mlake osude od strane par ljudi iz islamske zajednice, uz apel da ovo nije pravi Islam
- Promjena par parafa u nekom zakonu
- Solidarnost heštegova i avatara na Twitteru, društvenim mrežama i svjetskim medijima
- .....
- Repriza za 3-9 mjeseci
- I opet ukrug


Uzeo si mi riječ iz usta.
A što ćemo mi ? Europa je u ratu, a naš žabolovac koji je sad prvi put u životu izvirio iz Metkovića drži u šahu cijelu državu i ne dozvoljava formiranje vlade.


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Zajednički intervju Gadafija i sina Saifa, ni manje ni više nego za France 24, mart 2011. godine. Mediteran kao more haosa, milioni ilegalnih imigranata, teror pred vratima.

A i mi konja za trku imamo.

"I onda ćete, kada počnu vaše vratove da seku, da znate o čemu se tu radi... Glave su sekli i to su ti ludaci koji tamo rade, koje je skupila Klintonova politika u Bosni".



Gadafijevo proročanstvo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkWvBm9iQUs


A ako im je to bio cilj od starta, onda nisu idioti.


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Je li dokazano da su napadi povezani?
Po ostalim forumima je dominantna teorija zavjere ...

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Problem je što im se ovo može dogoditi danas i sutra ponovo. Nikakvu obranu od tog nemaju jer neće sebi da priznaju gdje je korijen problema.
Shopping centri su uvijek puni, toliko velik grad uvijek u svakom trenutku postoji mjesto sa bar 100 ljudi na okupu.

Neće se dogoditi samo zbog toga što muslimani idu za medijskom pokrivenosti, pa će razvodniti napade ne duže periode.

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Ko na ovom forumu krene u te vode, može očekivati trajni ban. Da se ne kaže da nije bilo upozorenja.

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Ko na ovom forumu krene u te vode, može očekivati trajni ban. Da se ne kaže da nije bilo upozorenja.

Ne razumem.Želiš da kažeš da napadi nisu povezani??Ili šta?


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Još nešto. :-)
U 50€ da će trag dovesti do,Bosne i Hercegovine.


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Ko na ovom forumu krene u te vode, može očekivati trajni ban. Da se ne kaže da nije bilo upozorenja.

Ne razumem.Želiš da kažeš da napadi nisu povezani??Ili šta?


Želim reći da ako neko ustvrdi da je ovo nešto drugo osim islamskog terorizma, ima ovjerenu kartu za trajni ban.

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Bolest žešća evo čitam po Bljesku, zavjera, Palestina, nema tu lijeka nego stroga represija.
Još se smiju, kod nas bi ih linčovali na licu mjesta.

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Bolest žešća evo čitam po Bljesku, zavjera, Palestina, nema tu lijeka nego stroga represija.
Još se smiju, kod nas bi ih linčovali na licu mjesta.


Zašto se uzbuđuješ, Bošnjaci komentiraju. Brišu ih trenutno na Klislam pa se moraju negdje isprazniti.
Ne to zabranjivati, vrlo je opasno. Nek kažu što im na duši i srcu.

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 Naslov: Re: Francuska
PostPostano: 14 stu 2015, 11:39 
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 Naslov: Re: Francuska
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Pa realno ne može se islamski terorizam poraziti bez muslimana. Tko ratuje sa sunitskim islamistima na terenu , a ne preko ekrana, - Kurdi, Šijiti znači opet muslimani.

Ako netko zaziva sukob civilizacija, u velikoj je zabludi jer kršćanima ništa ne bi značili tenkovi i avioni kada bi se taj rat vodio po gusto naseljenim gradskim četvrtima.

Trebaju tajne službe jednostavno ubacivati njihove u terorističke ćelije, slično kao što je udba ubacivala svoje u ustašku emigraciju.


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