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Naslov: Re: OSRH Postano: 29 ožu 2017, 16:15 |
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Pridružen/a: 02 kol 2012, 11:47 Postovi: 40005 Lokacija: Ulica Nemanje Bilbije 99
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Trka u naoružanju odgovara i Hrvatima i Srbima u BiH.
Naši samo trebaju gurati ovu suradnju s Izraelom, mogli bi malo i na antiterorističke obuke da se naši pobliže upoznaju kako to Izrealci rješavaju u svom dvorištu. Može i kakva zajednička vježba u Pounju, to bi bio pun pogodak i poruka.
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Naslov: Re: OSRH Postano: 29 ožu 2017, 17:12 |
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Pridružen/a: 03 svi 2009, 11:29 Postovi: 77827 Lokacija: Institut za razna i ostala pitanja
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telaad je napisao/la: Robbie MO je napisao/la: To je oruzje za obranu od potencijalnog agresivnog napada. Ja podrzavam mirne procese.
Bosna da napadne Hrvatsku? Clanicu NATO-pakta? "Bosna" ne moze nikoga napasti, jer je zapovjedni lanac pod kontrolom Hrvata i Srba. Ali za hrvatske i EU drzavljane u BiH, kao i Srbe, mogu se naci u situaciji da se na 24% uspostave ilegalne paravojne formacije i/ili teroristicke organizacije koje bi ih terorizirale i napadale legalne policijske strukture hrvatskih zupanija i RS.
_________________ Fun fact: I HDZ i SDA su osnovani u Zagrebu.
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Naslov: Re: OSRH Postano: 29 ožu 2017, 18:10 |
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Pridružen/a: 03 svi 2009, 22:39 Postovi: 60416 Lokacija: DAZP HQ
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daramo je napisao/la: Trka u naoružanju odgovara i Hrvatima i Srbima u BiH.
Naši samo trebaju gurati ovu suradnju s Izraelom, mogli bi malo i na antiterorističke obuke da se naši pobliže upoznaju kako to Izrealci rješavaju u svom dvorištu. Može i kakva zajednička vježba u Pounju, to bi bio pun pogodak i poruka. imat ćemo i zajedničke vježbe u urbanim uvjetima.
_________________ "Hrvata je danas u BiH manje od 400.000, ali je naš cilj da nas je milijun", kazao je Čović.
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Naslov: Re: OSRH Postano: 29 ožu 2017, 18:28 |
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Pridružen/a: 03 svi 2009, 22:39 Postovi: 60416 Lokacija: DAZP HQ
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Netz  Barak  slatke su naše brige. što mislite koji bolje roka?
_________________ "Hrvata je danas u BiH manje od 400.000, ali je naš cilj da nas je milijun", kazao je Čović.
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Naslov: Re: OSRH Postano: 29 ožu 2017, 19:08 |
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Pridružen/a: 03 svi 2009, 15:45 Postovi: 32636
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dudu je napisao/la: Citat: Izrael nudi dvije stvari:
1. Netz = 1 EUR po avionu ALI remont za 12 komada = 120 M EUR.
2. Barak = 12 komada = 600 M EUR.
12 Netz + naoružanje zrak - zrak, preobuku u Izraelu, remont i tzv. "MLU" koji bi se odradio u IAI-u, rakete Python-4, DASH Elbitov, laserski ciljnici za djelovanje s laserski vođenim bombama = 300 M EUR za 12 komada F-16 CRO 2020. Netz je neloš, ali Barak je zvjerka, specijaliziran za tepih bombardiranje islamista.  Ako imaš vremena, može malo opširnije što je što, razlike itd? Ovaj prvi je jednosjed, a drugi dvosjed sa RIO - WSO wizzo časnikom, ili je dvosjed za obuku?
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Naslov: Re: OSRH Postano: 29 ožu 2017, 19:11 |
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Pridružen/a: 02 kol 2012, 11:47 Postovi: 40005 Lokacija: Ulica Nemanje Bilbije 99
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Dobri, testirat ćemo nad Maočom pa onda odlučimo.
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Naslov: Re: OSRH Postano: 29 ožu 2017, 19:29 |
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Pridružen/a: 03 svi 2009, 22:39 Postovi: 60416 Lokacija: DAZP HQ
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Mar-kan je napisao/la: dudu je napisao/la: Netz je neloš, ali Barak je zvjerka, specijaliziran za tepih bombardiranje islamista.  Ako imaš vremena, može malo opširnije što je što, razlike itd? Ovaj prvi je jednosjed, a drugi dvosjed sa RIO - WSO wizzo časnikom, ili je dvosjed za obuku? nema veze je li jednosjed ili dvosjed (oba dolaze u obje verzije), Netz je trenažni lovac presretač i ranija verzija F-16, a Barak je uz Sufu udarna snaga IAF-a, lovac bombarder. dodatno, Netz je odnedavno povučen iz upotrebe, nakon dolaska prvih F-35 i Izrael ih nudi na prodaju. Citat: F-16A/B Netz
Seventeen technical modifications, designed by the IAF and Israeli military industries, were made to the Israeli F-16A/B's. Most of them in the software and in the mission computers, which enabled the F-16 to operate the unique weapon systems. Fin-root fairings on early F-16A's house the Rapport system.
In 1992 all IAF F-16A/B's (excluding the latest batch of Netz 2 aircraft) went into an upgrade phase at Israeli Aircraft Industries (IAI), where wings were structurally reinforced, and Elbit's advanced flight and mission management system was installed. By the end of this phase, all F-16A/B's were system equaled with the F-16C's; however, the engine remained the original F-100.
F-16C/D Barak
Externally, the Israeli F-16C differs from other F-16C's by having an extension to the base of its vertical stabilizer, similar to the Norwegian F-16s parachute brake compartment; however, no parachutes are used on IAF F-16s. Israeli F-16s have extensive local modifications, with different avionics fits and higher gross weights, requiring changes in the landing gear and the use of new wheels. The maximum all-up weight of an Israeli F-16 is 48,000 pounds, as compared to 42,300 pounds for a USAF Block 40 F-16C. The third batch of F-16C/D's is fitted with Elta's EL/L-8240 ECM, replacing Lockheed Martin Defense Systems' (LMDS, formerly Loral) AN/ALQ-178 Rapport III internal ECM. F-16C's appear to have larger navigation lights mountings on the intake. These most likely house electronics. The F-16C/D's ordered to compensate for the cancelled Lavi Project received Israeli ECM systems (manufactured by Elisra), and flight management computers (made by Elbit).
While the F-16B is a two seat version of the F-16A used for pilot conversion, the Israeli F-16D is completely different from the F-16C. The back seat is reserved for the F-16s Weapon System Operator, just as one can find at the F-4 Phantom. Externally, this fighter differs from other F-16D's by having a boxlike extension from the cockpit to the vertical stabilizer, referred to as a dorsal spine.
The dorsal fairing was designed, mocked up, fabricated and installed during regular routine assembly while these aircraft were on the production line in Fort Worth. At no time has IAI had anything to do with initial design, fabrication of assemblies or production installation of any dorsal assemblies. The dorsal spine is believed to accommodate Wild Weasel equipment (amongst others Elisra's SPS-3000 self-protection jammer) which detects emissions from enemy radar sites and pinpoints their locations, and specialized weapon delivery systems, such as 'smart bombs' guided using the back seat's side stick for control. The IDFAF would confirm only that this space is filled with various electronic systems.
According to the IDFAF Magazine, this version of the F-16D is much heavier than the 'standard' production F-16D's. Its empty weight is 9,525 kg, while the standard version weighs just 7,900 kg. The maximum takeoff weight was extended to 21,770 kg - 4,760 kg more than the standard version, a fact made possible by modifications made to the landing gear. The extent of the modifications called for a different (non-official) model designation, hence the Israeli F-16D was designated IF-16D. As the F-16C's in service by the IDFAF, the IF-16D is powered by a General Electric F110-GE-100 engine, with an enlarged air intake.
_________________ "Hrvata je danas u BiH manje od 400.000, ali je naš cilj da nas je milijun", kazao je Čović.
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Naslov: Re: OSRH Postano: 29 ožu 2017, 19:34 |
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Pridružen/a: 08 stu 2012, 01:05 Postovi: 22488
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Netz je f-16 A/B, blok 10 modernizovan sa izraelskim sistemima. Barak je f-16 C/D, blok 30/40, takođe sa izraelskim prepravkama.
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Naslov: Re: OSRH Postano: 29 ožu 2017, 19:36 |
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Pridružen/a: 11 tra 2016, 17:17 Postovi: 7747 Lokacija: Сарај Чадор
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Robbie MO je napisao/la: telaad je napisao/la: Bosna da napadne Hrvatsku? Clanicu NATO-pakta?
"Bosna" ne moze nikoga napasti, jer je zapovjedni lanac pod kontrolom Hrvata i Srba. Ali za hrvatske i EU drzavljane u BiH, kao i Srbe, mogu se naci u situaciji da se na 24% uspostave ilegalne paravojne formacije i/ili teroristicke organizacije koje bi ih terorizirale i napadale legalne policijske strukture hrvatskih zupanija i RS. Mi nemamo namjeru nikoga napadati, već braniti 32,75% BiH koliko trenutno držimo.
_________________ Skidanje okova je imperativ.
Takozvana "rs" je genocidna tvorevina.
The so-called "republic of srpska" is a genocidal ramshackle pseudo-state.
Ko je zrinyia na sigetu posjek'o..
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Naslov: Re: OSRH Postano: 29 ožu 2017, 19:37 |
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Amiđa je napisao/la: Robbie MO je napisao/la:
"Bosna" ne moze nikoga napasti, jer je zapovjedni lanac pod kontrolom Hrvata i Srba.
Ali za hrvatske i EU drzavljane u BiH, kao i Srbe, mogu se naci u situaciji da se na 24% uspostave ilegalne paravojne formacije i/ili teroristicke organizacije koje bi ih terorizirale i napadale legalne policijske strukture hrvatskih zupanija i RS.
Mi nemamo namjeru nikoga napadati, već braniti 32,75% BiH koliko trenutno držimo. Pa ni vas niko nema nameru da napada.
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Naslov: Re: OSRH Postano: 29 ožu 2017, 19:41 |
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Pridružen/a: 11 tra 2016, 17:17 Postovi: 7747 Lokacija: Сарај Чадор
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Carmello Šešelj je napisao/la: Amiđa je napisao/la:
Mi nemamo namjeru nikoga napadati, već braniti 32,75% BiH koliko trenutno držimo.
Pa ni vas niko nema nameru da napada. Pa o kojem qrcu onda sere ovaj robbi zapadni mo? U 7 od 10 kantona FBiH Hrvati nam mogu pljunuti pod prozor. O dudu i megalomanskim maštarijama neću, džaba okupiranje prostora na bespućima svemrežja.
_________________ Skidanje okova je imperativ.
Takozvana "rs" je genocidna tvorevina.
The so-called "republic of srpska" is a genocidal ramshackle pseudo-state.
Ko je zrinyia na sigetu posjek'o..
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Naslov: Re: OSRH Postano: 29 ožu 2017, 19:41 |
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Pridružen/a: 03 svi 2009, 22:39 Postovi: 60416 Lokacija: DAZP HQ
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Carmello Šešelj je napisao/la: Amiđa je napisao/la:
Mi nemamo namjeru nikoga napadati, već braniti 32,75% BiH koliko trenutno držimo.
Pa ni vas niko nema nameru da napada. možda tu i tamo ponekad više manje smjena koje nedemokratske vlasti.
_________________ "Hrvata je danas u BiH manje od 400.000, ali je naš cilj da nas je milijun", kazao je Čović.
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Naslov: Re: OSRH Postano: 29 ožu 2017, 19:44 |
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Pridružen/a: 08 stu 2012, 01:05 Postovi: 22488
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dudu je napisao/la: Carmello Šešelj je napisao/la: Pa ni vas niko nema nameru da napada. možda tu i tamo ponekad više manje smjena koje nedemokratske vlasti. Uz predhodan rad obaveštajnih službi na izazivanju "proleća", kako bi nas dočekali kao oslobodioce, nakon "shock nad awe" kampanje.
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Naslov: Re: OSRH Postano: 29 ožu 2017, 19:46 |
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Pridružen/a: 11 tra 2016, 17:17 Postovi: 7747 Lokacija: Сарај Чадор
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Imate bujnu maštu, zbilja.
_________________ Skidanje okova je imperativ.
Takozvana "rs" je genocidna tvorevina.
The so-called "republic of srpska" is a genocidal ramshackle pseudo-state.
Ko je zrinyia na sigetu posjek'o..
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Naslov: Re: OSRH Postano: 29 ožu 2017, 19:47 |
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Pridružen/a: 08 stu 2012, 01:05 Postovi: 22488
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A možda te i ložimo. Mada bih ja na vašem mestu ipak bio oprezan, nikad se ne zna.
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Naslov: Re: OSRH Postano: 29 ožu 2017, 19:49 |
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Pridružen/a: 11 tra 2016, 17:17 Postovi: 7747 Lokacija: Сарај Чадор
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Slaba vam vajda. Nisam ja daramo pa da se palim na to.
_________________ Skidanje okova je imperativ.
Takozvana "rs" je genocidna tvorevina.
The so-called "republic of srpska" is a genocidal ramshackle pseudo-state.
Ko je zrinyia na sigetu posjek'o..
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Naslov: Re: OSRH Postano: 29 ožu 2017, 19:51 |
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Pridružen/a: 05 lis 2010, 12:48 Postovi: 108338 Lokacija: Županija Herceg-Bosna
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Carmello Šešelj je napisao/la: Amiđa je napisao/la:
Mi nemamo namjeru nikoga napadati, već braniti 32,75% BiH koliko trenutno držimo.
Pa ni vas niko nema nameru da napada. Tip je onako malo slow. Najbolji mi je kad se njegova takija sukobi sa takijom onog džamijaša @granica, telaad kako li se već zove.
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Naslov: Re: OSRH Postano: 30 ožu 2017, 12:27 |
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Pridružen/a: 03 svi 2009, 15:45 Postovi: 32636
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dudu je napisao/la: Mar-kan je napisao/la: Ako imaš vremena, može malo opširnije što je što, razlike itd? Ovaj prvi je jednosjed, a drugi dvosjed sa RIO - WSO wizzo časnikom, ili je dvosjed za obuku? nema veze je li jednosjed ili dvosjed (oba dolaze u obje verzije), Netz je trenažni lovac presretač i ranija verzija F-16, a Barak je uz Sufu udarna snaga IAF-a, lovac bombarder. dodatno, Netz je odnedavno povučen iz upotrebe, nakon dolaska prvih F-35 i Izrael ih nudi na prodaju. Citat: F-16A/B Netz
Seventeen technical modifications, designed by the IAF and Israeli military industries, were made to the Israeli F-16A/B's. Most of them in the software and in the mission computers, which enabled the F-16 to operate the unique weapon systems. Fin-root fairings on early F-16A's house the Rapport system.
In 1992 all IAF F-16A/B's (excluding the latest batch of Netz 2 aircraft) went into an upgrade phase at Israeli Aircraft Industries (IAI), where wings were structurally reinforced, and Elbit's advanced flight and mission management system was installed. By the end of this phase, all F-16A/B's were system equaled with the F-16C's; however, the engine remained the original F-100.
F-16C/D Barak
Externally, the Israeli F-16C differs from other F-16C's by having an extension to the base of its vertical stabilizer, similar to the Norwegian F-16s parachute brake compartment; however, no parachutes are used on IAF F-16s. Israeli F-16s have extensive local modifications, with different avionics fits and higher gross weights, requiring changes in the landing gear and the use of new wheels. The maximum all-up weight of an Israeli F-16 is 48,000 pounds, as compared to 42,300 pounds for a USAF Block 40 F-16C. The third batch of F-16C/D's is fitted with Elta's EL/L-8240 ECM, replacing Lockheed Martin Defense Systems' (LMDS, formerly Loral) AN/ALQ-178 Rapport III internal ECM. F-16C's appear to have larger navigation lights mountings on the intake. These most likely house electronics. The F-16C/D's ordered to compensate for the cancelled Lavi Project received Israeli ECM systems (manufactured by Elisra), and flight management computers (made by Elbit).
While the F-16B is a two seat version of the F-16A used for pilot conversion, the Israeli F-16D is completely different from the F-16C. The back seat is reserved for the F-16s Weapon System Operator, just as one can find at the F-4 Phantom. Externally, this fighter differs from other F-16D's by having a boxlike extension from the cockpit to the vertical stabilizer, referred to as a dorsal spine.
The dorsal fairing was designed, mocked up, fabricated and installed during regular routine assembly while these aircraft were on the production line in Fort Worth. At no time has IAI had anything to do with initial design, fabrication of assemblies or production installation of any dorsal assemblies. The dorsal spine is believed to accommodate Wild Weasel equipment (amongst others Elisra's SPS-3000 self-protection jammer) which detects emissions from enemy radar sites and pinpoints their locations, and specialized weapon delivery systems, such as 'smart bombs' guided using the back seat's side stick for control. The IDFAF would confirm only that this space is filled with various electronic systems.
According to the IDFAF Magazine, this version of the F-16D is much heavier than the 'standard' production F-16D's. Its empty weight is 9,525 kg, while the standard version weighs just 7,900 kg. The maximum takeoff weight was extended to 21,770 kg - 4,760 kg more than the standard version, a fact made possible by modifications made to the landing gear. The extent of the modifications called for a different (non-official) model designation, hence the Israeli F-16D was designated IF-16D. As the F-16C's in service by the IDFAF, the IF-16D is powered by a General Electric F110-GE-100 engine, with an enlarged air intake.
Ipak je to WSO verzija, kao što sam i pretpostavljao. Podrazumijeva se onda da ima strahovito naoružanje, dok je potreban wizzo...Ako HR uzme tu verziju, otvara se potreba za posebno obučenim i školovanim tehničkim kadrom, koji bi bio sposoban upravljati oružanim sustavom u tom avionu.
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Naslov: Re: OSRH Postano: 30 ožu 2017, 12:36 |
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Još kada bi Izraelci Barak verziju nudili na prodaju...
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Naslov: Re: OSRH Postano: 03 tra 2017, 17:47 |
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Ono što se šuškalo zadnjih godina, postaje stvarnost , sljedeći transportni vrtolet biti će Black Hawks 
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Naslov: Re: OSRH Postano: 03 tra 2017, 17:52 |
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Havks(ako si hteo po Vuku)tebra.Reci da si se zezao za vrtolet. :-D
_________________ Na nama koplja se lome i vatra se gasi jer mi smo jaki,rodjeni sa vukovima.
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Naslov: Re: OSRH Postano: 03 tra 2017, 18:13 |
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ManInBlack je napisao/la: Ono što se šuškalo zadnjih godina, postaje stvarnost , sljedeći transportni vrtolet biti će Black Hanks
pazi naslova tog istog Defendera prije nepune dvije godine. UH-60 Black Hawk, puste želje, pusti snovi http://www.defender.hr/republika-hrvats ... sti-snovi/sad kažu Dassault Rafale puste želje, pusti snovi- onda će Krstičević: kad god vi mene razjebete, ja dodam gas malo više i novi borbeni avion je Dassault Rafale F3.
_________________ "Hrvata je danas u BiH manje od 400.000, ali je naš cilj da nas je milijun", kazao je Čović.
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Naslov: Re: OSRH Postano: 03 tra 2017, 18:27 |
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Kačamak je napisao/la: Havks(ako si hteo po Vuku)tebra.Reci da si se zezao za vrtolet. :-D To mi je prepravio asistent na mobu. Nisam se šalio za vrtolet, to je slavenska riječ ili kovanica za tu vrstu letećih strojeva, rusi i drugi slaveni je koriste.
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Naslov: Re: OSRH Postano: 03 tra 2017, 18:30 |
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@dudu, u to vrijeme i jeste bio pusta želja kao i KW, pzh, itd
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Naslov: Re: OSRH Postano: 03 tra 2017, 19:11 |
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HV se pomjera bliže granicama, posebice na jugu države, ako je donedavno trebalo Patrijama sat i pol do Mostara, sad će im trebati sat, a ako im je trebalo dva sata do Bugojna, sad stižu za sat i pol. Citat: 'Moramo uvijek biti brži, bolji i spremniji od onih koji bi nam mogli predstavljati prijetnju' – kazao je ministar, ističući kako će u tome vojnici, ljudi koji su najveća vrijednost HV-a, u tome imati partnera u Ministarstvu obrane, jer nam je zajednički cilj sigurna i stabilna RH. U tom smislu je zaustavljeno dugogodišnje smanjivanje vojnog proračuna, kazao je Krstičević, istakavši kako će MORH vratiti vojsku i u Sinj, Ploče, Varaždin i Vukovar. http://sibenski.slobodnadalmacija.hr/vi ... atske-foto
_________________ "Hrvata je danas u BiH manje od 400.000, ali je naš cilj da nas je milijun", kazao je Čović.
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