Al zato vaze turske zastave

Zaduzbina, dzamija i turbe u Herseku (mala Hercegovina), na Mramornom moru:

Ljiljani i bosna imaju zajednicko toga isto toliko koliko i sahovnica i bosna (pogledati razgovor o ljiljanima). Ja znam sto mi ti zelis reci iz perspektive sarajevskog pasaluka (sarajevo je bosna, hercegovina je bosna itd), ali bit onoga sto zelim reci da je bosna isto toliko Hrvatska koliko je i Srbska ili Bosnjackai i ostalih ne spori.

No sporim kada netko kaze bosanac je sto i Bosnjak. Ili bosanac je nacionalnost, jeste za neke ni to ne sporim, ali nitko mi ne moze sporiti da sam i ja bosanac da je bosna i moja i da se sahovnica viori nad bosnom isto toliko koliko i tvoja zastava kakvu god zelis da je imas.

Jer sve dok vi govorite bosna je nasa, normalno je da vam ja nedam ono sto je moje. Mozda ce te vi reci da nije moje, e da znate da nije ni vase pa se jeb... itd.

Ne moze Bosna bit tvoja, zato sto kad ti nosis sahovnicu, isti si kao i oni koji nose zvjezdu i mjesec na crvenoj pozadini.

A niti jedno niti drugo sa Bosnom veze nemaju, za razliku od ljiljana.


Samo oni koji nose simbole Bosne, imaju pravo na Bosnu. Oni koji nose tudje simbole su sami sebe iskljucili iz Bosne, i za to im niko drugi nije kriv do oni sami sebi.

Hrvati islamske vjeroispovijesti simpatiziraju Tursku jer su dolaskom Turaka na Balkan primili vjeru koju ispovijedaju. U tome nema ništa loše. Naš hrvatski jezik koji koriste svi Hrvati (katolici, pravoslavni kršćani, muslimani, ateisti i ostali) sadrži oko 9 000 turcizama. Turci su donijeli ćevape i još puno vrijednih znamenja na hrvatski etnički prostor. Bosanska Krajina se sve donedavno zvala Turskom Hrvatskom.

Isa-Beg Ishaković (Turkish: İshakoğlu İsa Bey) was an Ottoman general and the first governor of the Ottoman province of Bosnia. He ruled during the 1450s and 1460s. He made much of the initial conquests for the Ottoman Empire in the region, and was one of the then Sultan's most trusted generals. He was succeeded by Gazi Husrev-beg.

There are two main theories about his identity.[1]
a)
Isak Hranić Kosača, brother of Stefan Vukčić Kosača who sent him to sultan Mehmed II as hostage and guarantee of his loyalty. After being adopted by Isak-beg (hence the surname Isaković) he was converted into Islam and had by contemporary measures a significant military and political career within the Ottoman Empire.[1]
b)
Isak Hranić/Hranušić, taken prisoner when the akinci intruded a holding of the magnate family of Pavlović (lords of eastern Bosnia including medieval župa of Vrhbosna). He proved himself exceptionally able while a prisoner, so the akinci leader freed him (prompted him to leave the property, as well as his title)

As governor of the province of Bosnia, Isa-Beg assured its future prosperity. He founded Sarajevo in 1461 in the former Bosnian province of Vrhbosna. Between then and 1463 he built the core of the city's Old Town district, including a mosque, a closed marketplace, a public bath, a hostel, and the Governor's castle (Saray), which gave the city its present name. In much the same way and year he also founded Novi Pazar in Serbia, rendered from Turkish: Yeni Pazar literally meaning new marketplace. In addition, he decided to built Novi Pazar eleven kilometers from medieval settlement Trgovište. At first he built a mosque, a marketplace, a public bath, a hostel, and a compound. The city was the capital of the Ottoman Sanjak of Novi Pazar that existed between the 15th and the 20th century as a constitutive part of Bosnia Eyalet. He is also responsible for establishing a number of other cities and towns in the region.

Isaković built many important buildings in Old Bazaar in Skopje in Skopje, like Cifte hammam, Kapan an, Isak-Beg's Mosque (dedicated to his father Isak-Beg, also known as Isaklija or Aladža), madressa and library (within Isak-Beg's Mosque, one of the first Islamic libraries in Europe[3]) and many other buildings that belonged to his endowment (vakuf).

Zaduzbine:

Preci im izgradili sve a oni bi to porušili. Kako ih nije stid!

Sokollu Mehmed Pasha (Ottoman Turkish: سوکلو محمد پاشا ), (Bosnian or Serbian: Mehmed-paša Sokolović,[1] Cyrillic: Мехмед-паша Соколовић; born as Bajica or Bajo Nenadić (Бајица Ненадић, Бајо; 1506 - 11 October 1579) was a 16th-century Ottoman statesman hailing from Bosnia. Mehmed was taken away at an early age as part of the devşirme system of Ottoman collection of young boys to be raised to serve as a janissary.

He rose through the ranks of the Ottoman imperial system, eventually holding positions as commander of the imperial guard (1543–1546), High Admiral of the Fleet (1546–1551), Governor-General of Rumelia (1551–1555), Third Vizier (1555–1561), Second Vizier (1561–1565) and as Grand Vizier (1565–1579) (for a total of fourteen years, three months, seventeen days) under three Sultans: Suleiman the Magnificent, Selim II, and Murad III.[2] He was assassinated in 1579, ending a near fifteen-year rule as de facto ruler of the Ottoman Empire.


Vjerojatno najmocniji Bosnjak u povijesti:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokollu_Mehmed_Pasha

Zaduzbine:

Bošnjaci i Turska idu jedno uz drugo kao crni i bijeli krem u Kinderladi. bivša, sadašnja i buduća obećana zemlja za sve Bošnjake.

Šeha izgleda pokušava da nam dokaže da Bošnjaci ne postoje.

Kara Musa Pasha (Bosnian: Kara Musa-Paša) was an Ottoman soldier and statesman who was named grand vizier by Sultan Ibrahim I on 16 September 1647 after Nevesinli Salih Pasha's execution.

Kara Musa-paša was born in the village Vikoča in the vicinity of Foča, now Bosnia and Herzegovina. He was born to the family of Vehabegović.

His first meeting with Sultan Murad IV was in 1630 after which he got a title of Egyptian Deputy. Later on in his life he became member of Sublime Forte/Divan(Ottoman council) and was selected three times to serve as deputy of Budin Province, Ottoman Empire. There in 1643 he received an endowment for the construction of the Musa-Pasha Mosque in Nova Kasaba, Bosnia and Herzegovina. During the Crete war campaign, Kara Musa Pasha received the title of Kapudan Pasha (Grand Admiral of the Ottoman Navy). While he was fighting in the war, the imperial seal signifying his promotion was sent to him by sea. After having received the news of his promotion Musa Pasha died, on 21 September 1647, in front of the castle of Kandiye (Iraklion). He never received the seal.

Upon Musa Pasha's death, Hezarpare Ahmed Pasha, who was delegated as acting grand vizier while waiting for Kara Musa Pasha's arrival in the Ottoman capital, was promoted to the rank of full grand vizier.

In the beginning of the same year of 1647, he had married Şekerpare Hatun, a lady in waiting and a favorite of the sultan, which was the very reason for his appointment as Grand Admiral.[1]

Zaduzbina:

E, a ovo je najvjerovatnije najmocniji Hrvat u povijesti:

Rüstem Pasha Opuković (Turkish pronunciation: [daːˈmat ɾysˈtem paˈʃa]; Ottoman Turkish: رستم پاشا, (ca. 1500 – 10 July 1561) was an Ottoman statesman. He served as the Grand Vizier of Suleiman the Magnificent. Rüstem Pasha is also known as Damat Rüstem Pasha (damat meaning "bridegroom" to the Ottoman dynasty).

Of Croatian descent[1][2][3][4][5] Rüstem Pasha was born in Skradin.[2] He was taken as a child to Constantinople, where he built a military and bureaucracy career. On 26 November 1539 he married Mihrimah Sultan, a daughter of Suleiman the Magnificent. Rüstem Pasha held the title Grand Vizier twice, first from 1544–1553 and second from 1555–1561, until his death. As Grand Vizier he collected vast wealth, much of it through bribes.[citation needed] However, the bribes in his time were moderate, and he spent his wealth raising public buildings, mosques and charitable foundations.[citation needed] When he died, his personal property included 815 lands in Rumelia and Anatolia, 476 mills, 1700 slaves, 2900 war horses, 1106 camels, 800 Qur'an, etc.

Zaduzbina:

Drugi najmocniji Hrvat u povjesti, admiral otomanske flote:


Sinanüddin Yusuf Pasha or in short Sinan Pasha (Croatian: Sinan-paša), (died 21 December 1553) was a Kapudan Pasha (Fleet Admiral) of the Ottoman Navy for nearly four years between 1550 and the end of 1553, during the reign of Suleiman the Magnificent. He was of Croatian descent[according to whom?], the predecessor of Piyale Pasha in this rank and the brother of Grand Vizier Damat Rüstem Pasha, who in turn was married to Sultana Mihrimah, a daughter of Suleiman the Magnificent.

Sinan Pasha and Turgut Reis collaborated on several naval expeditions in the Mediterranean Sea, particularly on the coasts of Italy and North Africa. Sinan was not an expert on naval issues as much as Turgut Reis, who was a more popular commander among the admirals and captains of the navy, and this often caused conflict between the two. In an incident following the Ottoman conquest of Tripoli in 1551, the entire Ottoman fleet left Sinan Pasha on the shore and followed Turgut Reis into the Tyrrhenian Sea, declaring that they would accept only Turgut as their commander. Turgut Reis, however, considered this to be mutiny and treason and ordered them to return.

Disturbed by this conflict, but favouring the talent of Turgut Reis, Sultan Suleiman ordered Sinan Pasha to "do whatever Turgut says." Most Ottoman seamen of that time, however, believed that Turgut Reis deserved the rank of Sinan Pasha.

There are conflicting descriptions about Sinan Pasha's character. The Ottoman historian Peçevî wrote that "Sinan Pasha was a proud and megalomaniac man who would not listen to the opinions and complaints of others. He had a cold gaze." However, a Spanish historian of that period wrote that "Sinan Pasha was a tall and strong man with a truly handsome face and a gallant heart. He was also very kind."[citation needed]

Sinan Pasha died on 21 December 1553 in his palace which was located at the present Sultanahmet Square in İstanbul, and was later buried at the garden of Mihrimah Sultan Mosque in Üsküdar, which was designed by the great Ottoman architect Sinan.

Sinan Pasha had ordered the construction of a grand mosque with his name in the Beşiktaş district and wanted to be buried there, but the mosque could not be completed in time. Even though he had two daughters and a son, he left his entire fortune to Mihrimah Sultan (Sultana Mihrimah), the daughter of Sultan Suleiman and wife of his brother, Grand Vizier Rüstem Pasha.

Zaduzbine:

Sultanija u pob(i)jednićkom deliriju,...

ovako to izgleda kad se jedna zemlja i narod pokori, skoro iskorijeni, opljačka i sve dobro mu se otme,...sada je na red došlo i ime.

Neka se izjasni kako god ko hoće, ali mahati turskim zastavama i sebe nazivati Bošnjakom je potpuno isto kao da danas preživjeli Hitler Junge maše židovskom zastavom i naziva sebe Židovom.

Što naravfski imade pravo...

Najpoznatiji Dubrovcanin u povjesti:

Piyale Pasha, (Turkish: Piyale Paşa) (c. 1515-1578) was an Ottoman admiral (Kapudan Pasha) between 1553 and 1567 and a Vizier after 1568. He is also known as Piale Pasha in English.

Born in Viganj on the Pelješac peninsula, he was of Croatian origin.[1][2][Note 1] He was captured in the 1526 Battle of Mohács and became an Ottoman soldier under Turgut Reis.[3]


Admiral of the Ottoman Fleet

He was promoted to Bahriye Beylerbeyi (i.e. First Lord of Admiralty) and became Admiral-in-Chief of the Ottoman Fleet at the age of 39.

In 1554 he captured the islands of Elba and Corsica with a large fleet which included famous Ottoman admirals like Turgut Reis and Salih Reis. The following year Sultan Suleiman the Magnificent assigned him with the task of helping France against the Spaniards upon request by the mother of King Francis II, and Piyale Pasha set sail on 26 June 1555. The Ottoman fleet met the French fleet at Piombino and successfully repulsed a Spanish attack on France while conquering several Spanish fortresses on the Mediterranean Sea.


Battle of Djerba

In June 1558, joined by Turgut Reis, Piyale Pasha sailed to the Strait of Messina and the two admirals captured Reggio Calabria. From there, they went to the Aeolian Islands and captured several of them, before landing at Amalfi, the Gulf of Salerno, and capturing Massa Lubrense, Cantone and Sorrento. They later landed at Torre del Greco, the coasts of Tuscany, and Piombino. In September 1558 they assaulted the coasts of Spain before capturing Minorca and inflicting particular damage on the island's ports.

This caused fear throughout the Mediterranean coasts of Spain, and King Philip II appealed to Pope Paul IV and his allies in Europe to bring an end to the rising Ottoman threat. In 1560 King Philip II succeeded in organizing a Holy League between Spain, the Republic of Venice, the Republic of Genoa, the Papal States, the Duchy of Savoy and the Knights of Malta. The joint fleet was assembled at Messina and consisted of 54 galleys and 66 other types of vessels under the command of Giovanni Andrea Doria, nephew of the famous Genoese admiral Andrea Doria.

On 12 March 1560, the Holy League captured the island of Djerba which had a strategic location and could control the sea routes between Algiers and Tripoli. As a response, Suleiman the Magnificent sent an Ottoman fleet of 86 galleys and galliots under the command of Piyale Pasha, which arrived at Djerba on 11 May 1560 and destroyed the Christian fleet in a matter of hours at the Battle of Djerba. Giovanni Andrea Doria managed to escape with a small vessel, but the surviving Christians, now under the command of Álvaro de Sande, took refuge in the fort on the island of Djerba which they had constructed during the expedition. Piyale Pasha and Turgut Reis eventually forced the garrison to surrender and Piyale Pasha took 5,000 prisoners, including de Sande, to Constantinople, where he was met by joyous crowds. He married Sultana Gevher Han, daughter of Suleiman's son Selim II.

In 1563 Piyale Pasha captured Naples and the fortresses around the city on behalf of France, but after the Ottoman forces left the city the French could not hold on to these and the Spaniards eventually took them back.
Siege of Malta

In 1565 Piyale Pasha, together with the general Lala Mustafa Pasha and Turgut Reis, was charged by Suleiman to capture Malta, but the effort failed in the face of determined resistance by the Maltese Knights and cost the Ottoman fleet not only large numbers of casualties, but also the life of Turgut Reis.

In 1566 Piyale captured the island of Chios and brought an end to the Genoese presence in the Aegean Sea. He later landed on Apulia in Italy and captured several strategic fortresses.

In 1568 he was promoted to Vizier, becoming the first admiral in Ottoman history to reach this rank.


Conquest of Cyprus
For more details on this topic, see Ottoman–Venetian War (1570–1573).

In 1570 he set sail for Cyprus, then a Venetian possession, with a large invasion force on board his ships. Having left Constantinople on 15 May 1570, the fleet arrived at Cyprus on 1 July 1570. On 22 July the Turks, under the command of Lala Mustafa (the Fifth Vizier, who had five years previously failed to capture Malta), commenced the siege of Nicosia, capturing the city on 9 September. After capturing Paphos, Limassol and Larnaca in rapid succession, they surrounded Magosa (Famagusta), the final Venetian stronghold on the island, on 18 September 1570 and finally took it on 1 August 1571, completing the conquest of Cyprus.
Final assignments

After the defeat of the Ottoman fleet under the command of Müezzinzade Ali Pasha at the Battle of Lepanto in 1571, Piyale Pasha was called to take back the command of the Ottoman navy. The Ottomans managed to rebuild a fleet as large as that lost at Lepanto in less than a year, and Uluç Ali Reis reconquered Tunisia from Spain and their Hafsid vassals in 1574.

In 1573 Piyale Pasha once again landed on Puglia in Italy. This was his final naval expedition.

Piyale Pasha died on 21 January 1578 and is buried at the Piyale Pasha Mosque in Istanbul which he had built, under the direction of the architect Mimar Sinan, in his final years.

Zaduzbine:

U cemu je fora seherzada
Pa nama je poznato da ste vi poturice
Negdasnji Hrvati a I Srbi

Dok su Hrvati i Bosnjaci u Ottomanskoj imperiji, od obicnog seljaka mogli napredovali do drugog covjeka carevine, admirala flote, vezira, velikih vezira, zeniti sultanove kcerke... dotle su Hrvati i Bosnjaci u Kingdom of Hungary mogli samo opsluzivati grofovske shtale...

Bosnjaci iz cazinske krajine, za njih je tacno da imaju hrvatske korijene.
Bosnjaci iz istocnog sandzaka, za njih je tacno da imaju rashke korijene.

No nije na tom poenta, vec na tome da su najmocniji Hrvati u povjesti bili admirali i veliki veziri u Ottomanskoj imperiji.

Svatko tko prihvati drugu zastavu, drugi jezik, drugu kulturu,drugu vjeru i ostale stilove života koji se razlikuju od njegova porijekla - on automatski prestaje biti pripadnik naroda u kojem se rodio i živio. Prije svega treba napomenuti da su ovi ljudi nekada bili Hrvati ali su djelovali za interese Turaka - koji su u tome vremenu bili u ratu sa Hrvatima. Njih zato štuju Turci a ne Hrvati.

uz malu iznimku, morao se odreći svoje vjere, imena i prezimena, roda,...naravno takva osobina ne može u svakom vaktu nit svakom stati u obraz, nego samo probranima i naplavu što je mušičario oko turskijeh i inih čmarova.

preveč si se zadubila u tursku gnojnicu pa ne znaš da je rvacka imala otpadnika na sve strane, i prema Beču, i prema Pešti, kao i prema Stambulu,...za privilegije i za šćer, kako kad, ali bilo je toga.
No da mi to bude neki fanatičan fetiš i ideologija kao tebi i sličnima mi je bljutavo i izdajnički spram zemlji koju su haračili i jedni i drugi i treći,...a spremni ste i za četvrte kak se da videti, ne.

ajd, jedan haremski šiz za raju, da vidimo kako sultan rikta...

Znači ipak su Hrvati a ne Bošnjaci.

Da ali pritom su morali promjeniti IME I PREZIME, RELIGIJU, JEZIK, OBICAJE itd. tj. postati Turci

Drugo velika vecina njih je oteta od svojih roditelja krscana dok su imali svega 5 ili 6 godina, kao DANAK U KRVI.

Sve super receno, ako zaboravimo na 1102. godinu.

A koje godine se ono kralj Tomislav odrekao svoje vjere i konvertirao ("ucmario" kako ti kazes ) papi?

Pa onda opet, 1102., "naguzivanje" Madjarima, 350 godina prije nego sto se pojavio prvi Turcin u Bosni i Hrvatskoj.

Meni opet nije jasno, kakve veze imaju oteti i konvertiti Srbi i Hrvati, koji su postali Osmanlije, sa Bošnjacima? Ili imaju svaku vezu...