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The Green Zebra · **Pridružen/a:** 02 sij 2021, 01:17 **Postovi:** 1489

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Slažem se da je fregata nama nepotrebna, to je namjenjeno oceanima, šta će nam to za obranu jadrana sa tisućama otočića i uvala ? Trebamo poput uskoka male brodiće ali naoružane do zuba.
O nosaču aviona da ne govororim. To je za zračne invazije na druge kontinente. Ukoliko ne mislimo nabavit 50 aviona s kojima cemo bombardirat azijske, afričke i američke zemlje nam nosač aviona ne treba
Par korveti, par podmornica i što više raketnih topovnjača, malih brzih ali ubojitih je ono što nama treba.

daj nemoj, kad je to količina pobijedila kvalitetu? Hrpu manjih fregata skrši u sekundi.
Fregate naravno da trebaju, koja međunarodna operacija tu i tamo, a i u Jadranu bi dobro došlo.

Slažem se da su nosači malo nadrealni, ali ono, sanjarim. :zubati

Doduše, prvo podmornice (Brodosplit bi htio i njih graditi).

Rika sv Vida

Pa može bit kvalitetna i raketna topovnjača s najmodernijim lanserima, pzom i radarima

Rika sv Vida

Mislim nebi ja imao ništa ni protiv jedne fregate moćne da suvereno patrolira jadranom ali ovo ostalo nam je potrebnije.

The Green Zebra · **Pridružen/a:** 02 sij 2021, 01:17 **Postovi:** 1489

Rika sv Vida je napisao/la:

Mislim nebi ja imao ništa ni protiv jedne fregate moćne da suvereno patrolira jadranom ali ovo ostalo nam je potrebnije.

Pa gradi(t će) se, fregata nije još ni u planu.
Što misliš o podmornicama?

The Green Zebra · **Pridružen/a:** 02 sij 2021, 01:17 **Postovi:** 1489

I važnije, što weasel misli o podmornicama?

Reconquista · **Pridružen/a:** 26 stu 2020, 16:23 **Postovi:** 13278

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Name: Karakurt class
Cost: US$34.3 million
Type: Guided missile corvette
Displacement: 800 tons
Length: 67 m (220 ft)
Beam: 11 m (36 ft)
Draft: 3.3 m (11 ft)
Propulsion:
CODAD (or CODAG) (diesel Zvezda ZE M-507D1 with 3 diesel generators DGAS-315

CODAD (or CODAG) (diesel Zvezda ZE or kolomna Penza RUMO etc , Gas GT NPO Saturn Turborus Saljut Turbokon PermMZ else)
Speed: 30 knots (56 km/h; 35 mph)
Range: 2,500 nmi (4,600 km; 2,900 mi)
Endurance: 15 days

Armament:
1 × 76.2 mm 59-caliber AK-176MA or 100 mm A-190 automatic dual-purpose guns
1 × Pantsir-M CIWS with Hermes-K missiles or 1 × 3M89 Palash/ Palma CIWS with Sosna-R missiles (4+4 SAM in total 8 plus under reload units) or 2 × AK-630M-2 CIWS (on first 2 vessels)
2 × 4 UKSK VLS cells for Kalibr or Oniks anti-ship cruise missiles
2 × 14.5 mm MTPU machineguns
Aircraft carried: Launcher for Orlan-10 UAV

The Karakurt class, Russian designation Project 22800 Karakurt (Russian: Каракурт, lit. 'latrodectus tredecimguttatus'), is Russia's latest class of corvettes (small missile ships in Russian classification) under construction for the Russian Navy.

The class is intended to be a more seaworthy, blue water complement to the Buyan-M class corvettes, which had been designed for the littoral zone and are currently serving in Russia's Caspian Flotilla, Baltic Fleet and Black Sea Fleet. The ships are designed to be armed with the Kalibr or Oniks anti-ship cruise missiles and have an endurance of 15 days. They are also to be a cheap alternative for larger Admiral Grigorovich class frigates, which construction was delayed due to the suspended military cooperation with Ukraine, and because of Russia's intentions to continue in modernization of its Navy until all necessary tasks for construction of larger vessels domestically are solved. Nevertheless, delays in the supply of domestically-produced engines for the Karakurt-class had held up the completion of several units as of 2020.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karakurt-class_corvette

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Name: Steregushchiy class
Cost: US$120-150m
Type: Guided missile corvette
Displacement:
Standard: 1,800 tons
Full: 2,200 tons
Length: 104.5 m (343 ft)[1]
Beam:
13 m (43 ft)[3]
11.6 m (38 ft) (waterline)[1]
Draught: 3.7 m (12 ft)[1]
Installed power: 380/220 V AC, 50 Hz, 4x630 kW diesel genset
Propulsion: 2 shaft CODAD, 4 Kolomna 16D49 diesels 23,664 hp (17.6 MW)[1]
Speed: 27 kn (50 km/h; 31 mph)[1]
Range: 3,800 nmi (7,000 km; 4,400 mi) at 14 kn (26 km/h; 16 mph)
Endurance: 15 days
Complement: 90

Sensors and
processing systems:
Air search radar: Furke 2 (Furke-E, Positiv-ME1, SMILE Thales for export)
Surface search radar: Granit Central Scientific Institute Garpun-B/3Ts-25E/PLANK SHAVE radar
Monument targeting radar
Fire control radar: Ratep 5P-10E Puma for A-190
Sonar: Zarya-M (Zarya-ME for export) suite, bow mounted. Vinyetka low frequency active/passive towed array
Navigation: Gorizont-25 integrated navigation system

Electronic warfare
& decoys:
EW Suite: TK-25E-5 ECM
Countermeasures: 4 x PK-10 decoy launchers

Armament:
1 × 100mm A-190 Arsenal or 130mm A-192 naval gun
1 × Kashtan CIWS-M (Project 20380)
2 × 4 Kh-35 (SS-N-25)
12 × Redut VLS cells (Project 20381)
2 × AK-630М CIWS
2 × 4 330mm torpedo tubes for Paket-NK (Paket-NK/E for export) anti-torpedo/anti-submarine torpedoes
2 × 14.5mm MTPU pedestal machine guns
Aircraft carried:
Hangar for Ka-27 Helicopter
Launch pad for UAV Orlan-10

The Steregushchiy class (Russian: Стерегущий, lit. 'Vigilant'), Russian designation Project 20380, is the newest class of corvettes being built for the Russian Navy. Designed by the Almaz Central Marine Design Bureau, subsequent vessels were built to an improved design (Project 20381), incorporating the Poliment-Redut SAM system.

The ship full displacement and dimensions are large for a corvette, thus it is designated as a frigate by NATO.

The Steregushchiy class has been further developed into the Gremyashchiy class (Project 20385) and Project 20386 subclasses. The export variant is known as Project 20382 Tigr.

The Steregushchiy-class corvettes have a steel hull and composite material superstructure, with a bulbous bow and nine watertight subdivisions. They have a combined bridge and command centre, and space and weight provision for eight SS-N-25 missiles. Stealth technology was widely used during construction of the ships, as well as 21 patents and 14 new computer programs. Newest physical field reduction[clarification needed] solutions were applied too. As a result, designers considerably reduced the ship's radar signature thanks to hull architecture and fire-resistant radar-absorbent fiberglass applied in tophamper's design.

The Kashtan CIWS on the first ship was replaced in subsequent vessels by 12 Redut VLS cells containing 9M96E medium-range SAMs of the S-400 system. SS-N-27 (Kalibr type missiles) will be fitted to a larger domestic version, Project 20385.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steregush ... s_corvette

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Displacement: 2,500 tons
Length: 106.0 m (347.8 ft)
Beam: 13 m (42.7 ft)
Draught: 5 m (16.4 ft)
Installed power: AC 380/220 V, 50 Hz, 4 × 630 kW diesel genset
Propulsion: 2 shaft CODAD, 4 Kolomna 16D49 diesels 23,664 hp (17.6 MW)[3]
Speed: 27 knots (50 km/h; 31 mph)[3]
Range: 4,000 nmi (7,400 km; 4,600 mi) at 14 knots (26 km/h; 16 mph)[3]
Endurance: ?
Complement: 100

Sensors and
processing systems:
Air search radar: Multi-purpose AESA naval radar mast/system "Zaslon"
Surface search radar: ?
Fire control radar: 5P-10 Puma for A-190 100 mm artillery
Sonar: Zarya-M bow mounted. Vinyetka low frequency active/passive towed array
Navigation: ?
Electronic warfare
& decoys:
EW Suite: TK-25-5
Countermeasures: 4 × PK-10

Armament:
1 × 100 mm A-190 Arsenal naval gun
1 × UKSK VLS 8 cells for Kalibr, Oniks, Medvedka or Zircon anti-ship/cruise missiles
1 × VLS 2 × 8 cells Redut
2 × AK-630M CIWS
2 × Paket-NK 324 mm quad torpedo tubes for anti-torpedo/anti-submarine torpedoes
2 × 14.5 mm MTPU pedestal machine guns
Aviation facilities: Helipad and hangar for Kamov Ka-27 helicopter

The Gremyashchiy class (Russian: Гремящий, lit. 'Thunderous'), Russian designation Project 20385, is an update of the Steregushchiy-class corvettes of the Russian Navy.[4] This follow-on project was designed by the Almaz Central Marine Design Bureau in Saint Petersburg. The first ship was laid down on 26 May 2011[5] and the official laying down ceremony took place on 1 February 2012.

Gremyashchiy-class corvettes are very large multipurpose vessels, designed to complement the Steregushchiy class already being commissioned with the Russian Navy. They have been designed to have an improved habitability for higher endurance missions, and are able to launch cruise missiles.

Project 20385 differs from its predecessor by greater dimensions and displacement. They have a steel hull and composite superstructure, with a bulbous bow and nine watertight subdivisions. Compared with the Soobrazitelny, Boikiy, Sovershennyy and Stoikiy ships, which are fitted with Redut air defense VLS system of 12 launchers on the bow, these new ships are equipped with a UKSK VLS system comprising eight launchers for either Kalibr, Oniks or Zircon anti-ship/cruise missiles. The Redut VLS system with 16 launchers has been placed on the stern. Another difference is the lack of the aft mast above the helicopter hangar, and single integrated mainmast that no longer includes separate open shelves for artillery and navigation radars.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gremyashc ... s_corvette

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The 50R6 Vityaz (Russian: ЗРК Витязь) or S-350E[2][3] is a Russian medium-range surface-to-air missile system developed by GSKB Almaz-Antey. Its purpose is to replace the S-300PS and S-300PT-1A. The system design traces its roots from the joint South Korean/Russian KM-SAM project and uses the same 9M96 missile as the S-400 missile system.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-350E_Vityaz_50R6

Redut ili Vityaz je S-350.

Najsličnije tome rade Rusi. Male brodove na koje stave više i moćnije naoružanje od NATO zemalja. Jeftinije, a moćno. Pametno štede.

Tako bi morali i mi.

I zovu ih korvete, a NATO fregate upravo zbog naoružanja.

The Green Zebra · **Pridružen/a:** 02 sij 2021, 01:17 **Postovi:** 1489

A dobro, zato se i zove (naša) modularna korveta. Staviš, naravno, koliko MORH plati.

The Green Zebra · **Pridružen/a:** 02 sij 2021, 01:17 **Postovi:** 1489

Ovima je displacement kao naš, a NATO ih proglasio fregatom. :zubati

The Green Zebra · **Pridružen/a:** 02 sij 2021, 01:17 **Postovi:** 1489

Kao što rekoh, još 2-3 "fregate" od 10 000, da se nađe.

Reconquista · **Pridružen/a:** 26 stu 2020, 16:23 **Postovi:** 13278

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Buyan

Buyan M

Type: Guided missile corvette
Displacement:
Buyan: 500 tons
Buyan-M: 949 tons
Length:
Buyan: 62 m (203 ft)[1]
Buyan-M: 75 m (246 ft)[2]
Beam:
Buyan: 9.6 m (31 ft)[1]
Buyan-M: 11 m (36 ft)[2]
Height: Buyan & Buyan-M: 6.57 m (22 ft)
Draft:
Buyan: 2 m (7 ft)[1]
Buyan-M: 2.5 m (8 ft)[2]
Propulsion: Buyan & Buyan-M: 2 shaft CODAD, 4 x Zvezda M520, 14,584 shp (10,880 kW) and Kolomna Diesel, Pumpjet.
Speed:
Buyan: 28 knots (52 km/h; 32 mph)[1]
Buyan-M: 26 knots (48 km/h; 30 mph)[2]
Range:
Buyan: 1,500 nmi (2,800 km; 1,700 mi)[1]
Buyan-M: 2,300 nmi (4,300 km; 2,600 mi) at 12 knots[2]
Endurance: Buyan & Buyan-M: 10 days[2]
Complement:
Buyan: 29-36[1]
Buyan-M: 52[2]
Sensors and
processing systems:
Buyan:
5P-26M Pozitiv-M phased array radar system (Pozitiv-ME1.2 for export)[3]
MR-231 navigation radar[3]
5P-10-03 Laska fire control system (5P-10-03E for export)[3]
МР-123 fire control system
Anapa-M anti-saboteur sonar system (Anapa-ME for export)[3]
Buyan-M:
5P-26M1 Pozitiv-M1 phased array radar system
MP-231-2 navigation radar
5P-10-03 Laska fire control system
МР-123-02 fire control system
Anapa-M anti-saboteur sonar system
Electronic warfare
& decoys:
Buyan: 2 × 10 PK-10 decoy launchers[3]
Buyan-M: TK-25 radar jammers[4]
Armament:
Buyan:
1 × 100 mm A-190-01 naval gun[3]
2 × 30 mm AK-630 CIWS
1 × 40 retractable A-215 "Grad-M"
1 × 4 3M47 Gibka surface-to-air missiles
1 × DP-65 anti-saboteur grenade launcher
2 × 14.5 mm KPV type
Buyan-M:
1 × 100 mm A-190-01 naval gun
2 × 30 mm AK-630-M2 CIWS
1 × Pantsir-M CIWS (Stavropol)
2 × 4 UKSK VLS cells for Kalibr or Oniks anti-ship cruise missiles
2 × 4 Komar surface-to-air missiles
1 × DP-65 anti-saboteur grenade launcher
2 × 14.5 mm KPV type

The Buyan class, (Russian: Буян, lit. 'Buyan'), Russian designations Project 21630 Buyan and Project 21631 Buyan-M, are series of corvettes (small artillery and missile ships in Russian classification) developed by Zelenodolsk Design Bureau for the Russian Navy. Since 2010, all subsequent vessels are being constructed as improved Project 21631 subclass, incorporating greater tonnage, stealth technology and the 3S14 vertical launching system for either Kalibr or Oniks anti-ship cruise missiles, significantly enhancing combat capabilities. The ships are primarily designed for operations within littoral zones to protect Russia's vast coastal areas. Due to the small tonnage, they can operate even within shallow parts of oceans and seas and Russia's river system. The export variant is known as Project 21632 Tornado.

On 20 November 2015, the same warships launched 18 Kalibr cruise missiles from the Caspian Sea at seven terrorist targets in Rakka, Idlib and Aleppo provinces

On 13 February 2016, corvette Zelenyy Dol was deployed to the Mediterranean Sea.

On 19 August 2016, corvettes Zelenyy Dol and Serpukhov, deployed in the Mediterranean Sea, launched Kalibr cruise missiles at positions of Al-Nusra terrorist group in Syria. As a result of the strikes, number of terrorist facilities were destroyed, including command post and base near the village of Dar Ta Izzah and weapon production plants and warehouses in Aleppo province.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buyan-class_corvette

Nama bi trebalo jedno 4 korvete ili fregate oko 2000 tona i 8+ raketnih topovnjača ili korveta od 400 do 800 tona.

A radio bi i male od 200 do 300 tona ali opako naoružane.

I naravno mini podmornice u suradnji s Južnom Korejom.

Reconquista · **Pridružen/a:** 26 stu 2020, 16:23 **Postovi:** 13278

The Green Zebra je napisao/la:

Kao što rekoh, još 2-3 "fregate" od 10 000, da se nađe.

A da ti prestaneš trolat temu glupim jednorečeničnim upisima?

weasel · **Pridružen/a:** 10 svi 2019, 22:58 **Postovi:** 21897

Ne treba nama nitko za pravit podmornice, naši to znaju sami.

The Green Zebra · **Pridružen/a:** 02 sij 2021, 01:17 **Postovi:** 1489

weasel je napisao/la:

Ne treba nama nitko za pravit podmornice, naši to znaju sami.

To i ja kažem.

Fullback · **Pridružen/a:** 22 pro 2020, 02:54 **Postovi:** 443

weasel je napisao/la:

Naša Kvačica je napisao/la:

Hvala Weasel. Još jedno pitanje, nekako uvijek isključujemo mornaricu u slučaju kopnenog rata. Ali kakve su šanse za krstareće rakete dometa nekoliko stotina kilometara? Drugim riječima kakve su šanse da imamo ovo?

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Mora bih vidjeti detaljnije te planove za korvete što točno planiraju. Danas imaš više vrsta tih brodova. Možeš ih opremati kao protupodmorničke brodove pa ih trpaš podvodnim bobmama torpedima i sonarima, možemo ih orpemiti kao PZO korvete pa ih trpamo raketama za avione, helikoptere što već ne i mogu biti višenamjenske gdje ima sve i svašta. Naravno svaka od tih korveta ima i obranu od svih vrsta ugroza samo je specijalizirana i malo bolje opremljena u jednom segmentu djelovanja. E sad kad dolazimo kod takvih raketa, ti vjerojatno misliš da imamo nešto kao tommahawk da možemo "dejstvotat" preko brda i dolina. :zubati

Dakle brod ima raketni silos na proi i pitanje je koliko će taj islos bit velik. Ako je samo 12 komada tu mora stati protubrodska raketa, raketa PZO kratkog i dugog dometa i to ti je već 4 komada svaka i pun silos. Ako odaberu tu verziju s 12 komada onda ne vjerujem da će bit još mjesta za tomahavk zato što bi to značilo samo 3 rakete svakog tipa što je smiješno malo. Zato su tu dobre fregate koje mogu imati puno više mjesta, recimo 50-60 pa onda utrpaš po 15 komada od svake vrste i svi zadovoljni.

E sad da odgovorim na pitanje s obzirom na veličinu tog broda ( 90 metara nije malo) vjerojatno će biti opcija da se takve rakete mogu instalirati a hoće li ih MORH kupiti to ne znam, pitajte nekog iz sustava....

Taj silos od 12 raketa nije predviđen za protubrodske rakete, za to imaš dva x2 lansera na nadgrađu u njima će vjerojatno biti RBS15 mk3 ili Exocet što bi bio rezultat kupovine Rafalea.
Ovih 12 lansirnih mjesta bi bilo ispunjeno pzo raketama tipa Aster u slučaju da se ide na francusku opciju ili RIM-66/162 u slučaju da se ide sa amerikancima.
Što se tiče udara na kopnene ciljeve to se izvodi protubrodskim raketama, čak i naš RBS-15b ima vođenje za kopnene ciljeve ali mu je radar ograničenje u smislu prepoznavanja terena, software tu pomaže do određene točke... ali tu je Otobreda 127/64 na pramcu koji može unutar minute dostaviti 30 projektila od 127 milimetara na neprijateljsku kopnenu formaciju 120 kilometara u dubini.
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U slučaju kada bi se odrišila kesa PZO bi se mogao riješiti RIM-116 lanserom iznad hangara čime bi se cijena plovila popela za kakvih 10mil$ ali bi sada mogli naprijed ubaciti još koji Exocet uz pzo srednjeg-velikog dometa jer bi RIM 116 riješio kratki-srednji

The Green Zebra · **Pridružen/a:** 02 sij 2021, 01:17 **Postovi:** 1489

Reconquista je napisao/la:

The Green Zebra je napisao/la:

Kao što rekoh, još 2-3 "fregate" od 10 000, da se nađe.

A da ti prestaneš trolat temu glupim jednorečeničnim upisima?

A da ti svoje skratiš, ne zanima nas svaki detalj svih ruskih brodova ikad?

Po priloženom, naše bi bilo fregata (traži frigate). (Našao sam na https://navalshipcode.org/Home/NavalShipCodes , drugi dio.)

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The following intact stability criteria is only applicable to upright conventional monohull frigate & destroyer
combatant hullforms with single or twin rudders and the following hullform characteristics:

Parameter Minimum Maximum Definition
D 1730 10220 Displacement (tonnes)
L 78 142 Length on waterline (m)
B 11 19 Breadth on waterline (m)
L/B 6.75 9.23 Length to beam ratio
CB 0.44 0.55 Block coefficient
CWP 0.64 0.81 Waterline coefficient
CVP 0.59 0.73 Vertical prismatic coefficient
T 3.29 6.91 Mean draft at amidships (m)
fm 4.13 6.91 Mean freeboard at amidships (m)

Rika sv Vida

Reconquista · **Pridružen/a:** 26 stu 2020, 16:23 **Postovi:** 13278

weasel je napisao/la:

Ne treba nama nitko za pravit podmornice, naši to znaju sami.

Ne treba nam lažno samopouzdanje. Mi možemo graditi u suradnji s nekim drugim jer sve potrebno niti znamo niti možemo razviti sami.

Doduše ne mogu niti puno veći i bogatiji od nas. Otišla je tehnologija jako naprijed i samo najveći mogu sve sami raditi.

The Green Zebra · **Pridružen/a:** 02 sij 2021, 01:17 **Postovi:** 1489

Rika sv Vida je napisao/la:

ne mislim na to, nego na Brodosplit. Iako, naravno, sve domaće je dobro.
https://www.brodosplit.hr/hr/brodogradnja/vojni-program/

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Sačuvana je projektna dokumentacija za poboljšane verzije diverzantske podmornice klase ''Una'' s diesel-generatorom za koje su se svojevremeno interesirale Indija i Egipat, kao i dokumentacija za diverzantske ronilice tipa R-1 i R-2.

Iako jedan dio inženjerskog i visokokvalificiranog kadra iz podmorničarskog programa više nije angažiran u brodogradilištu, ne bi bilo teško na novom projektu okupiti dovoljan broj projektanata i inženjera i započeti izradu projekta gradnje podmornica poput Velebita.

Na osnovu do sada izgrađenih podvodnih objekata, vrlo lako bi se tržištu mogle ponuditi serije ronilica, diverzantskog tipa R-1 i R-2. Ronilica tipa R-1 jednosjed je duljine 3,72 m i promjera 520 mm, s radnom dubinom ronjenja 60 m i najvećom brzinom do 3 čvora. Ronilicom upravlja ronilac s aparatom za autonomno ronjenje ležeći iznad čvrstoga trupa, zaštićen od strujanja vode štitom od pleksiglasa. Na prednjem dijelu ronilice nalazi se prostor za smještaj jedne diverzantske mine tipa Biser ili dvije tipa Koralj. Unutar lakoga pramca smještenu su upravljački, navigacijski i hidroakustični uređaji. Za upravljanje po dubini služe izvlačivi hidroplani smješteni uz upravljačku ploču.

Reconquista · **Pridružen/a:** 26 stu 2020, 16:23 **Postovi:** 13278

The Green Zebra je napisao/la:

A da ti svoje skratiš, ne zanima nas svaki detalj svih ruskih brodova ikad?

To što tebe zanima ili ne zanima je tvoj problem. Čitaj ono obojeno i gledaj slike. Ali ne trolaj temu glupostima.

Niko Komadina

The Green Zebra je napisao/la:

Rika sv Vida je napisao/la:

ne mislim na to, nego na Brodosplit. Iako, naravno, sve domaće je dobro.
https://www.brodosplit.hr/hr/brodogradnja/vojni-program/

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Sačuvana je projektna dokumentacija za poboljšane verzije diverzantske podmornice klase ''Una'' s diesel-generatorom za koje su se svojevremeno interesirale Indija i Egipat, kao i dokumentacija za diverzantske ronilice tipa R-1 i R-2.

Iako jedan dio inženjerskog i visokokvalificiranog kadra iz podmorničarskog programa više nije angažiran u brodogradilištu, ne bi bilo teško na novom projektu okupiti dovoljan broj projektanata i inženjera i započeti izradu projekta gradnje podmornica poput Velebita.

Na osnovu do sada izgrađenih podvodnih objekata, vrlo lako bi se tržištu mogle ponuditi serije ronilica, diverzantskog tipa R-1 i R-2. Ronilica tipa R-1 jednosjed je duljine 3,72 m i promjera 520 mm, s radnom dubinom ronjenja 60 m i najvećom brzinom do 3 čvora. Ronilicom upravlja ronilac s aparatom za autonomno ronjenje ležeći iznad čvrstoga trupa, zaštićen od strujanja vode štitom od pleksiglasa. Na prednjem dijelu ronilice nalazi se prostor za smještaj jedne diverzantske mine tipa Biser ili dvije tipa Koralj. Unutar lakoga pramca smještenu su upravljački, navigacijski i hidroakustični uređaji. Za upravljanje po dubini služe izvlačivi hidroplani smješteni uz upravljačku ploču.

Nece se raditi na zastarjelim projektima. Imamo mi i boljih podmornicarskih ideja na stolu, samo da na vlasti nisu politicki enuhi.

Naša Kvačica · **Pridružen/a:** 03 svi 2009, 17:49 **Postovi:** 33293

Još jedno pitanje, te rakete tomahawk ili neke druge slične, pretpostavljam mogu se ispaliti i sa kopna. Ne treba brod, nego mislim vojno vozilo ili možda čak direktno iz vojne baze.

Kakvi smo po tom pitanju napadačkih raketa, imamo li išta ili barem u planovima?

Reconquista · **Pridružen/a:** 26 stu 2020, 16:23 **Postovi:** 13278

Sve se praktički može ispalit od kud hoćeš. Samo treba prilagoditi platformu. Protubrodske rakete mogu biti na brodu ili na pokretnoj kopnenoj platformi, ili zrakoplovu ili helikopteru. Krstareće rakete možeš lansirati s brodova, podmornica, zrakoplova, kopna...

Što se tiče krstarećih raketa bio je sporazum između SAD-a i Rusije da ih ne postavljaju na kopno nego samo na zračne i morske platforme kao ograničenje naoružanja.

Citat:

The Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty (INF Treaty, formally Treaty Between the United States of America and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics on the Elimination of Their Intermediate-Range and Shorter-Range Missiles; Russian: Договор о ликвидации ракет средней и меньшей дальности / ДРСМД, Dogovor o likvidatsiy raket sredney i menshey dalnosti / DRSMD) was an arms control treaty between the United States and the Soviet Union (and its successor state, the Russian Federation). US President Ronald Reagan and Soviet General Secretary Mikhail Gorbachev signed the treaty on 8 December 1987.[1][2] The US Senate approved the treaty on 27 May 1988, and Reagan and Gorbachev ratified it on 1 June 1988.

The INF Treaty banned all of the two nations' land-based ballistic missiles, cruise missiles, and missile launchers with ranges of 500–1,000 kilometers (310–620 mi) (short medium-range) and 1,000–5,500 km (620–3,420 mi) (intermediate-range). The treaty did not apply to air- or sea-launched missiles.

By May 1991, the nations had eliminated 2,692 missiles, followed by 10 years of on-site verification inspections.

Amidst continuing growth of China's missile forces, US President Donald Trump announced on 20 October 2018 that he was withdrawing the US from the treaty due to supposed Russian non-compliance. The United States claimed another reason for the withdrawal was to counter a Chinese arms buildup in the Pacific, including within the South China Sea, as China was not a signatory to the treaty. The US formally suspended the treaty on 1 February 2019, and Russia did so on the following day in response. The US formally withdrew from the treaty on 2 August 2019.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermedi ... ces_Treaty

Rika sv Vida

Trebali smo nabavit M270 još 2016 pa se odustalo jer navodno ćemo nabavit bolji Himars

U planu je ali pitanje kad. Samo da završimo s tim avionima pa možemo dalje :gunsmilie

300 km domet :kava

The Green Zebra · **Pridružen/a:** 02 sij 2021, 01:17 **Postovi:** 1489

Rika sv Vida je napisao/la:

Trebali smo nabavit M270 još 2016 pa se odustalo jer navodno ćemo nabavit bolji Himars

U planu je ali pitanje kad. Samo da završimo s tim avionima pa možemo dalje :gunsmilie

300 km domet :kava

Ovdje kaže da je HIMARS-u domet 480 km, 300 milja.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M142_HIMARS

The Green Zebra · **Pridružen/a:** 02 sij 2021, 01:17 **Postovi:** 1489

Sori, krivo sam pročitao, firing range je ipak 300 km.

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