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Ne plaše se oni unijata niti imaju razloga da ih se plaše, pretanki su oni za Ruseke, već im ide na *** to njihovo agresivno svojatanje Ukrajine a jedva da ih je 4 miliona. A posebno im smeta to njihovo napadno trpanje cijele Ukrajine u nekakve EU/AU okvire a u kojima su bili isključivo krajevi gdje su unijati većina. To je taj pounijaćeni zapad zapadne Ukrajine koji bi kao ono, na krilima EU i NATO, malo igrao tata-mate u Ukrajini jer oni su kao zajebani jer je kao NATO uz njih i te forice a u suštini, radi se o šaci isfrustriranog jada koji se odjednom osjetio kao nešto bitan

Živjela ukrajinska revolucija, gospodine Agathonikos!

Hoćete da kažete unijatskoukrajinska, gospodine Pessimus

Nego, vratimo se tematici



1. Plavo-Žuta boja: Nju predstavljaju regioni u kojima centralna vlast nema apsolutno nikakvu podršku tj ti delovi Ukrajine su u čvrstim rukama demonstranata. Sve vladine institucije su u njihovim rukama sem možda još vojnih objekata i kasarani koji se nalaze na tom prostoru.

2. Roza boja: Nju predstavljaju regioni u kojima su blokirane vladine institucije i gde postoji velika opasnost da tokom narednih dana budu zauzete od strane demonstranata.

3. Smeđa boja: Nju predstavljaju regioni u kojima je policija uspela da deblokira okružene institucije ali gde se još vode borbe na ulicama oko prevlasti.U celini gledano, demonstranti su na tim prostorima u defanzivi i odbačeni su na polazne pozicije.

4. Plava boja: Predstavlja regione u kojima centralna vlast ima čvrstu kontrolu. Pored jedinica policije ulicama patroliraju i antirevolucionarne snage sastavljene od Kozaka i pripadnika stranke Viktora Janukoviča.

Nije gospođice Emt.
Verujte mi da, iako sam jedan od najagilnijih predstavnika u promovisanju ideje našeg zajedništva na ovom forumu, naša država Bosna i Hercegovina i naše zajedništvo mi na ovoj tematici nijednom nisu pali na pamet

Ukrajina treba pripadati ukrajincima ali kako. E za to postoje izbori.
Kako to u srbiji lijepo rijese

Naravno, gospođice Emt.
Ukrajina je unutrašnja stvar žitelja Ukrajine i dešavanja u njoj kao i eventualne podele na dva ili tri dela, neće i ne smeju da utiču na naše zajedništvo i rešenost da našu državu očuvamo celovitom, na našu radost i radost pokolenja koja dolaze posle nas

In Ukraine, fascists, oligarchs and western expansion are at the heart of the crisis

The story we're told about the protests gripping Kiev bears only the sketchiest relationship with reality

We've been here before. For the past couple of months street protests in Ukraine have been played out through the western media according to a well-rehearsed script. Pro-democracy campaigners are battling an authoritarian government. The demonstrators are demanding the right to be part of the European Union. But Russia's president Vladimir Putin has vetoed their chance of freedom and prosperity.It's a story we've heard in one form or another again and again – not least in Ukraine's western-backed Orange revolution a decade ago. But it bears only the sketchiest relationship to reality. EU membership has never been – and very likely never will be – on offer to Ukraine. As in Egypt last year, the president that the protesters want to force out was elected in a poll judged fair by international observers. And many of those on the streets aren't very keen on democracy at all.You'd never know from most of the reporting that far-right nationalists and fascists have been at the heart of the protests and attacks on government buildings. One of the three main opposition parties heading the campaign is the hard-right antisemitic Svoboda, whose leader Oleh Tyahnybok claims that a "Moscow-Jewish mafia" controls Ukraine. But US senator John McCain was happy to share a platform with him in Kiev last month. The party, now running the city of Lviv, led a 15,000-strong torchlit march earlier this month in memory of the Ukrainian fascist leader Stepan Bandera, whose forces fought with the Nazis in the second world war and took part in massacres of Jews.So in the week that the liberation of Auschwitz by the Red Army was commemorated as Holocaust Memorial Day, supporters of those who helped carry out the genocide are hailed by western politicians on the streets of Ukraine. But Svoboda has now been outflanked in the protests by even more extreme groups, such as "Right Sector", who demand a "national revolution" and threaten "prolonged guerrilla warfare".

Not that they have much time for the EU, which has been pushing Ukraine to sign an association agreement, offering loans for austerity, as part of a German-led drive to open up Ukraine for western companies. It was Viktor Yanukovych's abandonment of the EU option – after which Putin offered a $15bn bailout – that triggered the protests.But Ukrainians are deeply divided about both European integration and the protests – largely along an axis between the largely Russian-speaking east and south (where the Communist party still commands significant support), and traditionally nationalist western Ukraine. Industry in the east is dependent on Russian markets, and would be crushed by EU competition.It's that historic faultline at the heart of Ukraine that the west has been trying to exploit to roll back Russian influence since the 1990s, including a concerted attempt to draw Ukraine into Nato. The Orange revolution leaders were encouraged to send Ukrainian troops into Iraq and Afghanistan as a sweetener.Nato's eastward expansion was halted by the Georgian war of 2008 and Yanukovych's later election on a platform of non-alignment. But any doubt that the EU's effort to woo Ukraine is closely connected with western military strategy was dispelled today by Nato's secretary general, Anders Fogh Rasmussen, who declared that the abortive pact with Ukraine would have been "a major boost to Euro-Atlantic security".Which helps to explain why politicians like John Kerry and William Hague have been so fierce in their condemnation of Ukrainian police violence – which has already left several dead – while maintaining such studied restraint over the killing of thousands of protesters in Egypt since last year's coup.Not that Yanukovych could be mistaken for any kind of progressive. He has been backed to the hilt by billionaire oligarchs who seized control of resources and privatised companies after the collapse of the Soviet Union – and fund opposition politicians and protesters at the same time. Indeed, one interpretation of the Ukrainian president's problems is that the established oligarchs have had enough of favours granted to an upstart group known as "the family".It's anger at this grotesque corruption and inequality, Ukraine's economic stagnation and poverty that has brought many ordinary Ukrainians to join the protests – as well as outrage at police brutality. Like Russia, Ukraine was beggared by the neoliberal shock therapy and mass privatisation of the post-Soviet years. More than half the country's national income was lost in five years and it has yet fully to recover.But nor do the main opposition and protest leaders offer any kind of genuine alternative, let alone a challenge to the oligarchy that has Ukraine in its grip. Yanukovych has now made sweeping concessions to the protesters: sacking the prime minister, inviting opposition leaders to join the government and ditching anti-protest laws passed earlier this month.Whether that calms or feeds the unrest will be clear soon enough. But the risk of the conflict spreading – leading political figures have warned of civil war – is serious. There are other steps that could help defuse the crisis: the creation of a broad coalition government, a referendum on EU relations, a shift from a presidential to a parliamentary system and greater regional autonomy.The breakup of Ukraine would not be a purely Ukrainian affair. Along with China's emerging challenge to US domination of east Asia, the Ukrainian faultine has the potential to draw in outside powers and lead to a strategic clash. Only Ukrainians can overcome this crisis. Continuing outside interference is both provocative and dangerous.

Izgleda da je EU pustila "revolucionare" niz vodu na onom samitu u Briselu sa Putinom prekjuče, čim je jedan Gardijan (najrusofobniji medij na planeti Zemlji) objavio ovakav tekst. Prosto ne mogu da verujem.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... -expansion

Aga se ovih dana javlja preko Wifi sa Ravne Gore. Traži najveći vrh sa kojeg se vidi Ukrajina.

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